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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
January 28 2010 09:56 GMT
#41
On January 28 2010 15:09 Jonoman92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 11:55 J1.au wrote:
KwarK gives too much credit to Movie. The only game he showed even remotely decent play was in Game 3, otherwise he was failing quite badly.


I hope you're kidding. In game one his game plan was excellent but it wasn't enough to beat gay terran turtle newbie.

Gas steal into proxy that gets scouted, what an amazing game plan. I'd probably describe it as "gay" and "newbie" if I was as juvenile as you.
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
January 28 2010 10:20 GMT
#42
Shine one of the top zergs?

i lol'd
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
January 28 2010 12:04 GMT
#43
Great read!
Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
January 28 2010 12:33 GMT
#44
Liked Kwark's thoughts, too, Interesting. Great article!
And boy this teen groups are terrible....
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MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
January 28 2010 12:34 GMT
#45
Very good article.

Flash remarked in the post-match interview, that he thought Movie was nervous in the first two games, but that he played to his potential in the third. I think that that was exactly what happened. If you call only game 3 "decently", and game 1 and 2 bad, then I don't think you are being fair, to both players. Movie had Flash by the ropes, both in game 1 and game 2, but failed to press home his advantage, while Flash played at a remarkably high level. How anyone cannot think those games were brilliant, I cannot fathom.

Flash played very good, but he has his limits. He usually doesn't prepare a specific build. Rather, he adapts and reacts to his opponent. This playstyle has the obvious disadvantage that if your opponent is able to build up a insurmountable momentum, then Flash will not be able to survive. Hyun, Jaedong, and also Movie proved this in the games they won against Flash. However, when the opponent makes mistakes, and does not use his timings to the full advantage, he won't stand a chance against Flash, since his reactive play will pound on any weakness with such vigor that no mercy can be had.

Movie was able to build up his momentum in game 3 and use it to his advantage, therefore he won. In game 1 he did build up the momentum, but made mistakes in the late game, giving Flash the little chance he needs. In game 2 Movie was again taking control, but made a key mistake, and lost his momentum. In game 4 Movie might've been out thought by his opponent, as he failed to prepare for Flash's reaction. One should note that, if Movie did defeat the rush, and that was very much possible (though incredibly hard!), then Flash wouldn't have been behind much, if at all. It is an excellent example of Flash's reactive play, were he tries to use the mistakes of his opponent to his advantage, while taking few risks.

Overall, I think that Flash played one of the best series of his live. His game was impeccable, with close to no mistakes, and a perfect control of the mindgame. Movie on the other hand had problems with his nerves and made too many mistakes, losing him the series. What is however so exciting about Movie's play here, is that while Flash was playing S-class starcraft, Movie actually had come very close to beating him, by playing near S-class starcraft of his own. He did exactly what was necessary against Flash, and if not for the key mistakes he made, which showed his lack of experience, and maybe his relative low apm, he would have won this series.




*disclaimer*: CJ entus fanboy speaking
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
January 28 2010 13:31 GMT
#46
A few hallucinated arbiters a Nal_rA does not make.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44322 Posts
January 28 2010 13:37 GMT
#47
On January 28 2010 18:56 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 15:09 Jonoman92 wrote:
On January 28 2010 11:55 J1.au wrote:
KwarK gives too much credit to Movie. The only game he showed even remotely decent play was in Game 3, otherwise he was failing quite badly.


I hope you're kidding. In game one his game plan was excellent but it wasn't enough to beat gay terran turtle newbie.

Gas steal into proxy that gets scouted, what an amazing game plan. I'd probably describe it as "gay" and "newbie" if I was as juvenile as you.

You seemed to have stopped reading after the first 2 lines of the analysis. That's like reading the first chapter of a book and criticising it for simply introducing a character without developing them. I suggest you continue reading to find out how Movie used the gas steal, the proxy and the fact Flash scouted the proxy to create a situation in which he had massive strategic advantages.
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
January 28 2010 14:26 GMT
#48
On January 28 2010 19:20 Loanshark wrote:
Shine one of the top zergs?

i lol'd


Shine certainly isn't a bad zerg. Below Jaedong, Calm, and EffOrt.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Lovin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark812 Posts
January 28 2010 15:21 GMT
#49
Thanks Doc!
AKA SuddenSalad
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
January 28 2010 19:02 GMT
#50
Movie played brilliantly, but he made some mistakes and Flash is an opponent that will take advantage of your tiny mistake(s)... even if he is in a losing position.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 28 2010 21:57 GMT
#51
great great writeup.
poor david
cw)minsean(ru
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 29 2010 02:32 GMT
#52
On January 28 2010 11:31 synapse wrote:
Somehow I doubt Movie thought of those builds himself....


yeah that other good protoss on cj gave them to him
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-29 05:49:44
January 29 2010 05:49 GMT
#53
On January 29 2010 11:32 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 11:31 synapse wrote:
Somehow I doubt Movie thought of those builds himself....


yeah that other good protoss on cj gave them to him


LOL!

But he still got his coaches.

And Much (even if Much is on ACE now).

But Flash had Stork...that's imba.
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
January 29 2010 15:17 GMT
#54
Lol I was wondering why this took so long. But those are some great pictures, especially at the end, and the "Carriers are very popular with the ladies" was golden.
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
January 29 2010 17:38 GMT
#55
great article but u should have mention when flash saved like 7 SCV's with gas before his expansion went up in game 1 on Heartbreak Ridge.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
January 30 2010 18:14 GMT
#56
i think the show itself was very entertaining and they gave all the hype a finals like this needs. but the game itself was disappointing...
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
January 30 2010 19:33 GMT
#57
OMG i just saw the caption on the front page for this article. "Better Nate than Ever?" that didn't get enough attention, i fucking lold hard.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-01 16:34:47
January 31 2010 10:15 GMT
#58
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-01 16:34:35
February 01 2010 16:32 GMT
#59
Kwark gave good analysis-es (plural spelling?). Movie's a smart protoss player. He made very good game decisions, combined with very good set decisions. Strategic plays in sets 1 and 2 make Flash play honest in sets and 3 and 4, so Movie could get away with greedy macro builds. It's a pretty telling homage to Flash that he was still able to 3-1 in a convincing manner. He's just that good.

You did a great job covering the OSL this season. Keep up the good work, DoctorHelvetica!
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
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