• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:59
CEST 13:59
KST 20:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202537Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10
StarCraft 2
General
Teller Digital Interview with Chris "ChanmanV" Chan The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Serral wins EWC 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers? Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview BW General Discussion [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
9/11 Anniversary Possible Al Qaeda Attack on 9/11 US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 682 users

[OSL] Flashback - Page 3

Forum Index > News
58 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
January 28 2010 09:56 GMT
#41
On January 28 2010 15:09 Jonoman92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 11:55 J1.au wrote:
KwarK gives too much credit to Movie. The only game he showed even remotely decent play was in Game 3, otherwise he was failing quite badly.


I hope you're kidding. In game one his game plan was excellent but it wasn't enough to beat gay terran turtle newbie.

Gas steal into proxy that gets scouted, what an amazing game plan. I'd probably describe it as "gay" and "newbie" if I was as juvenile as you.
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
January 28 2010 10:20 GMT
#42
Shine one of the top zergs?

i lol'd
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
January 28 2010 12:04 GMT
#43
Great read!
Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
January 28 2010 12:33 GMT
#44
Liked Kwark's thoughts, too, Interesting. Great article!
And boy this teen groups are terrible....
Wir haben zuwenig Vespingas!
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
January 28 2010 12:34 GMT
#45
Very good article.

Flash remarked in the post-match interview, that he thought Movie was nervous in the first two games, but that he played to his potential in the third. I think that that was exactly what happened. If you call only game 3 "decently", and game 1 and 2 bad, then I don't think you are being fair, to both players. Movie had Flash by the ropes, both in game 1 and game 2, but failed to press home his advantage, while Flash played at a remarkably high level. How anyone cannot think those games were brilliant, I cannot fathom.

Flash played very good, but he has his limits. He usually doesn't prepare a specific build. Rather, he adapts and reacts to his opponent. This playstyle has the obvious disadvantage that if your opponent is able to build up a insurmountable momentum, then Flash will not be able to survive. Hyun, Jaedong, and also Movie proved this in the games they won against Flash. However, when the opponent makes mistakes, and does not use his timings to the full advantage, he won't stand a chance against Flash, since his reactive play will pound on any weakness with such vigor that no mercy can be had.

Movie was able to build up his momentum in game 3 and use it to his advantage, therefore he won. In game 1 he did build up the momentum, but made mistakes in the late game, giving Flash the little chance he needs. In game 2 Movie was again taking control, but made a key mistake, and lost his momentum. In game 4 Movie might've been out thought by his opponent, as he failed to prepare for Flash's reaction. One should note that, if Movie did defeat the rush, and that was very much possible (though incredibly hard!), then Flash wouldn't have been behind much, if at all. It is an excellent example of Flash's reactive play, were he tries to use the mistakes of his opponent to his advantage, while taking few risks.

Overall, I think that Flash played one of the best series of his live. His game was impeccable, with close to no mistakes, and a perfect control of the mindgame. Movie on the other hand had problems with his nerves and made too many mistakes, losing him the series. What is however so exciting about Movie's play here, is that while Flash was playing S-class starcraft, Movie actually had come very close to beating him, by playing near S-class starcraft of his own. He did exactly what was necessary against Flash, and if not for the key mistakes he made, which showed his lack of experience, and maybe his relative low apm, he would have won this series.




*disclaimer*: CJ entus fanboy speaking
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
January 28 2010 13:31 GMT
#46
A few hallucinated arbiters a Nal_rA does not make.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42689 Posts
January 28 2010 13:37 GMT
#47
On January 28 2010 18:56 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 15:09 Jonoman92 wrote:
On January 28 2010 11:55 J1.au wrote:
KwarK gives too much credit to Movie. The only game he showed even remotely decent play was in Game 3, otherwise he was failing quite badly.


I hope you're kidding. In game one his game plan was excellent but it wasn't enough to beat gay terran turtle newbie.

Gas steal into proxy that gets scouted, what an amazing game plan. I'd probably describe it as "gay" and "newbie" if I was as juvenile as you.

You seemed to have stopped reading after the first 2 lines of the analysis. That's like reading the first chapter of a book and criticising it for simply introducing a character without developing them. I suggest you continue reading to find out how Movie used the gas steal, the proxy and the fact Flash scouted the proxy to create a situation in which he had massive strategic advantages.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
January 28 2010 14:26 GMT
#48
On January 28 2010 19:20 Loanshark wrote:
Shine one of the top zergs?

i lol'd


Shine certainly isn't a bad zerg. Below Jaedong, Calm, and EffOrt.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Lovin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark812 Posts
January 28 2010 15:21 GMT
#49
Thanks Doc!
AKA SuddenSalad
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
January 28 2010 19:02 GMT
#50
Movie played brilliantly, but he made some mistakes and Flash is an opponent that will take advantage of your tiny mistake(s)... even if he is in a losing position.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 28 2010 21:57 GMT
#51
great great writeup.
poor david
cw)minsean(ru
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 29 2010 02:32 GMT
#52
On January 28 2010 11:31 synapse wrote:
Somehow I doubt Movie thought of those builds himself....


yeah that other good protoss on cj gave them to him
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-29 05:49:44
January 29 2010 05:49 GMT
#53
On January 29 2010 11:32 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 11:31 synapse wrote:
Somehow I doubt Movie thought of those builds himself....


yeah that other good protoss on cj gave them to him


LOL!

But he still got his coaches.

And Much (even if Much is on ACE now).

But Flash had Stork...that's imba.
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
January 29 2010 15:17 GMT
#54
Lol I was wondering why this took so long. But those are some great pictures, especially at the end, and the "Carriers are very popular with the ladies" was golden.
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
January 29 2010 17:38 GMT
#55
great article but u should have mention when flash saved like 7 SCV's with gas before his expansion went up in game 1 on Heartbreak Ridge.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
January 30 2010 18:14 GMT
#56
i think the show itself was very entertaining and they gave all the hype a finals like this needs. but the game itself was disappointing...
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
January 30 2010 19:33 GMT
#57
OMG i just saw the caption on the front page for this article. "Better Nate than Ever?" that didn't get enough attention, i fucking lold hard.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-01 16:34:47
January 31 2010 10:15 GMT
#58
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-01 16:34:35
February 01 2010 16:32 GMT
#59
Kwark gave good analysis-es (plural spelling?). Movie's a smart protoss player. He made very good game decisions, combined with very good set decisions. Strategic plays in sets 1 and 2 make Flash play honest in sets and 3 and 4, so Movie could get away with greedy macro builds. It's a pretty telling homage to Flash that he was still able to 3-1 in a convincing manner. He's just that good.

You did a great job covering the OSL this season. Keep up the good work, DoctorHelvetica!
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #100
ByuN vs CreatorLIVE!
ShoWTimE vs SKillous
CranKy Ducklings304
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 44
ProTech35
Aristorii 11
MindelVK 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7580
Horang2 2411
BeSt 1536
ggaemo 1413
Hyuk 841
Larva 531
hero 465
Nal_rA 401
firebathero 400
Mini 370
[ Show more ]
Hyun 288
Mong 247
TY 181
Leta 167
Zeus 159
ToSsGirL 104
Sharp 53
zelot 37
Sea.KH 33
Killer 25
Noble 24
Icarus 17
ivOry 5
Dota 2
qojqva1498
XcaliburYe570
Counter-Strike
x6flipin753
byalli479
Super Smash Bros
Westballz35
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor321
Other Games
B2W.Neo748
DeMusliM447
Fuzer 224
ArmadaUGS8
Organizations
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 44
EmSc2Tv 44
StarCraft: Brood War
CasterMuse 31
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta48
• Gemini_19 4
• Reevou 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1000
League of Legends
• Jankos1357
Upcoming Events
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2h 2m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
4h 2m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
HeRoMaRinE vs MaxPax
Wardi Open
23h 2m
OSC
1d 12h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
HCC Europe
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.