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yupyup
Profile Joined June 2009
Philippines36 Posts
December 31 2009 18:12 GMT
#41
On December 31 2009 20:44 geetarzero wrote:
I will throw rocks at people if this ends up being a Kwanro vs Stats final....

lol. i want that.
ohh the fanboyism.
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 18:36:06
December 31 2009 18:33 GMT
#42
On January 01 2010 02:22 paulinepain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

hummm best got destroyed first game. I don't think there is any chances for jaedong to lose any living protoss at the moment. It smells good for a Jaedong vs Flash round 2!!!
Spoiler....
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
December 31 2009 18:53 GMT
#43
kickass graphics, so creative!

go BeSt!
✌
bugsybins
Profile Joined December 2009
Brazil29 Posts
December 31 2009 19:09 GMT
#44
Will not there be an osl update? I've already watched the games, but I love the analyses and the hype
Ahem...
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 31 2009 20:10 GMT
#45
On January 01 2010 02:18 oberon wrote:
What's with Best getting no credit for his monster PvT? My odds plugin says Flash is better overall, 60/40, but once you start looking at TvP it's basically a coinflip.

Rooting for Flash, because I'd rather see Flash/Jaedong than Best/Jaedong, but I won't be surprised either way.

--oberon



Seriously, everyones looking over BeSt but like i already posted, I think he might win. His pvt is better than his pvz so he would lose to jd if they met but then again i do want to see that rematch between jd and flash. Maybe JD would bust out a wedge of cheese of his own Oo who knows.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 31 2009 20:11 GMT
#46
On January 01 2010 03:12 yupyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 20:44 geetarzero wrote:
I will throw rocks at people if this ends up being a Kwanro vs Stats final....

lol. i want that.



In that case I would think stats would roll kwanro
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
December 31 2009 20:15 GMT
#47
Wow, nice banner.

Go Kwanro, you can do it!
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
December 31 2009 20:18 GMT
#48
On January 01 2010 05:15 MutaDoom wrote:
Wow, nice banner.

Go Kwanro, you can do it!



truth.. kwanro is the best!
http://www.twitter.com/NiGoLBW playing league on a competitive level
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 20:25:40
December 31 2009 20:25 GMT
#49
On January 01 2010 04:09 bugsybins wrote:
Will not there be an osl update? I've already watched the games, but I love the analyses and the hype

There is intended to be one, but the time of year means some of our staff writers are unavailable (one of them just had some surgery, too).
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
December 31 2009 20:54 GMT
#50
On December 31 2009 19:10 Geo.Rion wrote:
I really hope Best beats Flash, although Flash vs JD sounds good, we might as well see a 20 minutes finals

You don't think that's what a Jaedong vs Best finals would be?
Endurethetoothache
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States51 Posts
December 31 2009 21:51 GMT
#51
There's always at least one upset in every round (except with semi's/finals). I think that Hwasin will win just for upsets sake.
There was never yet philosopher That could endure the toothache patiently. (Shakespeare)
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
January 01 2010 00:30 GMT
#52
Both the OSL and the MSL are much more exciting than last year's.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 03:50:54
January 01 2010 01:36 GMT
#53
On January 01 2010 05:54 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 19:10 Geo.Rion wrote:
I really hope Best beats Flash, although Flash vs JD sounds good, we might as well see a 20 minutes finals

You don't think that's what a Jaedong vs Best finals would be?


Remember Best vs July?

That was when Best was amazing.

edit -- just saying I agree with you here, but it's always fun to mention Best vs July.
Remember Violet.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 01 2010 07:52 GMT
#54
ELO probabilities of winning the MSL, taking into account the winner of game 1 of the Ro8:

(T)Flash 48%
(Z)Jaedong 31%
(P)Kal 12%
(Z)Kwanro 4%
(P)BeSt 2%
(T)Light 1%
(T)Hwasin 1%
(P)Stats 0% (obviously some chance, but it rounds down to 0)
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
January 01 2010 08:02 GMT
#55
how are those odds calculated? I'm rather surprised at how low Jaedong is... and how high flash is..

Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 08:14:50
January 01 2010 08:10 GMT
#56
Flash's Elo vs Zerg is about 100 points higher than JD's Elo vs Terran, which puts Flash at a huge advantage if they meet, especially in a Bo5. However, Jaedong's chance of making it to the final is slightly higher.

The formula for getting a percentage from two Elo ratings is found here. From there I just use basic probability.
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
January 01 2010 08:20 GMT
#57
Jaedong wins it all.
Heard it here first

Silly predictions aside nice article and I appreciate your thoughts/predictions. Didn't feel unprofessional or biased imo. Keep callin em like you see em!
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
January 01 2010 08:28 GMT
#58
holy crap that bracket rules
brood war for life, brood war forever
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 01 2010 12:05 GMT
#59
hwasinhwaitinghwasinhwaitinghwasinhwaiting
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
January 01 2010 21:29 GMT
#60
I'm glad to see that the finals isn't happening at the quarterfinals anymore. Setting up the brackets like that was a great idea. I hope we have an epic finals this time, the last two starleagues have been unexciting, to say the least.
Sullifam
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