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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
July 31 2009 02:25 GMT
#461
On July 31 2009 11:20 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 11:19 Qatol wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:12 Caller wrote:
Finally, we tried and found guilty the two American spies, Foolishness and MountainDew. However, immediately after their execution by firing squad/crucifixion, it appears that they weren’t actually American spies. They just looked American. Nonetheless, we all know the adage: if it looks like a duck, it is a duck. Comrade General Caller is proud of the vigilance of the Red Army in rooting out internal traitors.

What Caller means to say is that he jumped the gun in accusing Foolishness and MountainDew. They are roommates (and thus have the same IP). Nobody double accounted.

Who the hell are you? And what are you doing in my army?

O.O

Not the best subject to troll on.....
Uff Da
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 31 2009 02:26 GMT
#462
To Finland... Assassins with Ice Picks? Caller, it's like 25-30 degrees during the daytime in Finland. Come on, those polar bears on the streets are getting old.

Man, if the same amount of people are going to be inactive every day...

I guess Ace wasn't on here in time to change the lynch? That sucks, although I guess Vivi should have claimed earlier. It's a pretty big blow to, instead of losing just one person, to lose a total of like 8 people out of which only one is an Ukrainian Rebel.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 31 2009 02:26 GMT
#463
On July 31 2009 11:23 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 11:19 Qatol wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:12 Caller wrote:
Finally, we tried and found guilty the two American spies, Foolishness and MountainDew. However, immediately after their execution by firing squad/crucifixion, it appears that they weren’t actually American spies. They just looked American. Nonetheless, we all know the adage: if it looks like a duck, it is a duck. Comrade General Caller is proud of the vigilance of the Red Army in rooting out internal traitors.

What Caller means to say is that he jumped the gun in accusing Foolishness and MountainDew. They are roommates (and thus have the same IP). Nobody double accounted.

Caller this deservers a better explanation from yourself. Since they were accused for being double accounting they deserve the same respect if they were found not guilty. You cant pull the trigger and then make like nothing happened. Grow some hair.

Quite simple really:
I was told that they had the same IP.

I proposed a test to make sure that the two weren't from the same library or something: PM both of them with a fake PM "notice" requiring a response, and see when and what their responses are.

I got the same response from both of them at the same time. That was when I decided to take them out of the game, as MountainDew was in the election and I felt it was proper to take action when the game itself could be at stake. It would be bad if there was double accounting, and one of them was mayor. It would be even worse if both accounts were on different factions, as the game could easily be fixed. Although in retrospect the action was probably hasty, I felt that it was the only thing I could really do to ensure that the game didn't become overall broken.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 31 2009 02:28 GMT
#464
On July 31 2009 11:26 Shikyo wrote:
To Finland... Assassins with Ice Picks? Caller, it's like 25-30 degrees during the daytime in Finland. Come on, those polar bears on the streets are getting old.

Man, if the same amount of people are going to be inactive every day...

I guess Ace wasn't on here in time to change the lynch? That sucks, although I guess Vivi should have claimed earlier. It's a pretty big blow to, instead of losing just one person, to lose a total of like 8 people out of which only one is an Ukrainian Rebel.

Ice Picks killed Trotsky.

That is all.
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
July 31 2009 02:35 GMT
#465
On July 31 2009 11:26 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 11:23 Malongo wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:19 Qatol wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:12 Caller wrote:
Finally, we tried and found guilty the two American spies, Foolishness and MountainDew. However, immediately after their execution by firing squad/crucifixion, it appears that they weren’t actually American spies. They just looked American. Nonetheless, we all know the adage: if it looks like a duck, it is a duck. Comrade General Caller is proud of the vigilance of the Red Army in rooting out internal traitors.

What Caller means to say is that he jumped the gun in accusing Foolishness and MountainDew. They are roommates (and thus have the same IP). Nobody double accounted.

Caller this deservers a better explanation from yourself. Since they were accused for being double accounting they deserve the same respect if they were found not guilty. You cant pull the trigger and then make like nothing happened. Grow some hair.

Quite simple really:
I was told that they had the same IP.

I proposed a test to make sure that the two weren't from the same library or something: PM both of them with a fake PM "notice" requiring a response, and see when and what their responses are.

I got the same response from both of them at the same time. That was when I decided to take them out of the game, as MountainDew was in the election and I felt it was proper to take action when the game itself could be at stake. It would be bad if there was double accounting, and one of them was mayor. It would be even worse if both accounts were on different factions, as the game could easily be fixed. Although in retrospect the action was probably hasty, I felt that it was the only thing I could really do to ensure that the game didn't become overall broken.

So the thing is that "they" pledge to be two different people but it cant be confirmed? Well at least its a little more clear now.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
ItsPaul
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia177 Posts
July 31 2009 02:50 GMT
#466
If they were housemates it would have been easy for them to communicate their roles anyway which could have led to an unfair advantage. It's prolly for the best in the end anyway.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 31 2009 02:54 GMT
#467
On July 31 2009 11:50 ItsPaul wrote:
If they were housemates it would have been easy for them to communicate their roles anyway which could have led to an unfair advantage. It's prolly for the best in the end anyway.



two of the most well known players of TL mafia are twins, and live together, should we be ban them from each game under the same pretense?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
c.ngeK
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia53 Posts
July 31 2009 02:56 GMT
#468
18/63 gone. 5 townies a NKVD and a single Ukrainian gone.

I'm going to chalk this one up as a loss.
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
July 31 2009 03:03 GMT
#469
On July 31 2009 11:56 c.ngeK wrote:
18/63 gone. 5 townies a NKVD and a single Ukrainian gone.

I'm going to chalk this one up as a loss.
It's only 18 gone if you count the people Caller cut out before he started the game. I'm doubt that Caller would've actually handed out roles and started making cuts right away. I'm assuming the game is balanced for 56 players, in which case, this is just a crappy start, but we're fine.
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
July 31 2009 03:03 GMT
#470
EBWOP: I doubt that Caller would've*
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
July 31 2009 03:08 GMT
#471
Not sure if the exchange was favorable, but it looks like it wasn't.

Do we have any idea of how many agents we have left? Or how many rebels, commisars, medics, etc. there are in total?
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
July 31 2009 03:11 GMT
#472
I'm posting this on Foolishness's request because he got banned from the mafia forum (lolol). Thankfully that will be restored when Plexa gets back.

They are 2 different people, it should be abundantly clear by looking at their writing styles and content. Nobody should have any doubt on this. If you do read MountainDew's posts and look at Foolishness's posts from previous games it's pretty clear that one guy is a high level player while the other is very raw and frankly not very good.

Caller basically jumped the gun and instead of asking around and looking at a variety of evidence, just went up and banned them solely on IPs/the pms which don't say anything (this is why town loses at mafia lol). Then when notified that they were innocent he refused for let them back in for who knows what reason.

Caller you're a good guy and I know you mean well but you can't pull stuff like this in the first place and you especially can't try to be a bureaucrat and cover your butt after it happens.

They deserve a full explanation and a clear exoneration. Mistakes happen, but don't try to cover them up or minimize them.

P.S. Foolishness didn't know MountainDew was his roommate.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 31 2009 03:12 GMT
#473
On July 31 2009 12:11 Ver wrote:
I'm posting this on Foolishness's request because he got banned from the mafia forum (lolol). Thankfully that will be restored when Plexa gets back.

They are 2 different people, it should be abundantly clear by looking at their writing styles and content. Nobody should have any doubt on this. If you do read MountainDew's posts and look at Foolishness's posts from previous games it's pretty clear that one guy is a high level player while the other is very raw and frankly not very good.

Caller basically jumped the gun and instead of asking around and looking at a variety of evidence, just went up and banned them solely on IPs/the pms which don't say anything (this is why town loses at mafia lol). Then when notified that they were innocent he refused for let them back in for who knows what reason.

Caller you're a good guy and I know you mean well but you can't pull stuff like this in the first place and you especially can't try to be a bureaucrat and cover your butt after it happens.

They deserve a full explanation and a clear exoneration. Mistakes happen, but don't try to cover them up or minimize them.

P.S. Foolishness didn't know MountainDew was his roommate.

Check your PM box please.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
July 31 2009 03:14 GMT
#474
On July 31 2009 11:35 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 11:26 Caller wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:23 Malongo wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:19 Qatol wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:12 Caller wrote:
Finally, we tried and found guilty the two American spies, Foolishness and MountainDew. However, immediately after their execution by firing squad/crucifixion, it appears that they weren’t actually American spies. They just looked American. Nonetheless, we all know the adage: if it looks like a duck, it is a duck. Comrade General Caller is proud of the vigilance of the Red Army in rooting out internal traitors.

What Caller means to say is that he jumped the gun in accusing Foolishness and MountainDew. They are roommates (and thus have the same IP). Nobody double accounted.

Caller this deservers a better explanation from yourself. Since they were accused for being double accounting they deserve the same respect if they were found not guilty. You cant pull the trigger and then make like nothing happened. Grow some hair.

Quite simple really:
I was told that they had the same IP.

I proposed a test to make sure that the two weren't from the same library or something: PM both of them with a fake PM "notice" requiring a response, and see when and what their responses are.

I got the same response from both of them at the same time. That was when I decided to take them out of the game, as MountainDew was in the election and I felt it was proper to take action when the game itself could be at stake. It would be bad if there was double accounting, and one of them was mayor. It would be even worse if both accounts were on different factions, as the game could easily be fixed. Although in retrospect the action was probably hasty, I felt that it was the only thing I could really do to ensure that the game didn't become overall broken.

So the thing is that "they" pledge to be two different people but it cant be confirmed? Well at least its a little more clear now.

A good friend of mine (whom I trust implicitly) knows Foolishness IRL and vouches for him. This is good enough for me. He did not cheat. I will stake my reputation on it.
Uff Da
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 31 2009 03:18 GMT
#475
Vivi57 was NKVD - o well. He's a terrible player so it doesn't matter.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
July 31 2009 03:19 GMT
#476
On July 31 2009 12:14 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 11:35 Malongo wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:26 Caller wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:23 Malongo wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:19 Qatol wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:12 Caller wrote:
Finally, we tried and found guilty the two American spies, Foolishness and MountainDew. However, immediately after their execution by firing squad/crucifixion, it appears that they weren’t actually American spies. They just looked American. Nonetheless, we all know the adage: if it looks like a duck, it is a duck. Comrade General Caller is proud of the vigilance of the Red Army in rooting out internal traitors.

What Caller means to say is that he jumped the gun in accusing Foolishness and MountainDew. They are roommates (and thus have the same IP). Nobody double accounted.

Caller this deservers a better explanation from yourself. Since they were accused for being double accounting they deserve the same respect if they were found not guilty. You cant pull the trigger and then make like nothing happened. Grow some hair.

Quite simple really:
I was told that they had the same IP.

I proposed a test to make sure that the two weren't from the same library or something: PM both of them with a fake PM "notice" requiring a response, and see when and what their responses are.

I got the same response from both of them at the same time. That was when I decided to take them out of the game, as MountainDew was in the election and I felt it was proper to take action when the game itself could be at stake. It would be bad if there was double accounting, and one of them was mayor. It would be even worse if both accounts were on different factions, as the game could easily be fixed. Although in retrospect the action was probably hasty, I felt that it was the only thing I could really do to ensure that the game didn't become overall broken.

So the thing is that "they" pledge to be two different people but it cant be confirmed? Well at least its a little more clear now.

A good friend of mine (whom I trust implicitly) knows Foolishness IRL and vouches for him. This is good enough for me. He did not cheat. I will stake my reputation on it.

I see were are going to my friend... its time to get the real faces in the table. Qatol aka Foolishness aka MontainDew aka L aka Plexa is ruinning our mafia games!!!!!!
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 31 2009 03:20 GMT
#477
On July 31 2009 12:14 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 11:35 Malongo wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:26 Caller wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:23 Malongo wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:19 Qatol wrote:
On July 31 2009 11:12 Caller wrote:
Finally, we tried and found guilty the two American spies, Foolishness and MountainDew. However, immediately after their execution by firing squad/crucifixion, it appears that they weren’t actually American spies. They just looked American. Nonetheless, we all know the adage: if it looks like a duck, it is a duck. Comrade General Caller is proud of the vigilance of the Red Army in rooting out internal traitors.

What Caller means to say is that he jumped the gun in accusing Foolishness and MountainDew. They are roommates (and thus have the same IP). Nobody double accounted.

Caller this deservers a better explanation from yourself. Since they were accused for being double accounting they deserve the same respect if they were found not guilty. You cant pull the trigger and then make like nothing happened. Grow some hair.

Quite simple really:
I was told that they had the same IP.

I proposed a test to make sure that the two weren't from the same library or something: PM both of them with a fake PM "notice" requiring a response, and see when and what their responses are.

I got the same response from both of them at the same time. That was when I decided to take them out of the game, as MountainDew was in the election and I felt it was proper to take action when the game itself could be at stake. It would be bad if there was double accounting, and one of them was mayor. It would be even worse if both accounts were on different factions, as the game could easily be fixed. Although in retrospect the action was probably hasty, I felt that it was the only thing I could really do to ensure that the game didn't become overall broken.

So the thing is that "they" pledge to be two different people but it cant be confirmed? Well at least its a little more clear now.

A good friend of mine (whom I trust implicitly) knows Foolishness IRL and vouches for him. This is good enough for me. He did not cheat. I will stake my reputation on it.


Eh, dunno which friend your referring to, but Ver vouces for him, whom I trust implicitly on a matter like this so I like qatol, throw my reputation on it. Caller, you should have just accepted that he wouldn't cheat, or ask them directly if they knew anyone from TL first.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
July 31 2009 03:21 GMT
#478
On July 31 2009 12:12 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 12:11 Ver wrote:
I'm posting this on Foolishness's request because he got banned from the mafia forum (lolol). Thankfully that will be restored when Plexa gets back.

They are 2 different people, it should be abundantly clear by looking at their writing styles and content. Nobody should have any doubt on this. If you do read MountainDew's posts and look at Foolishness's posts from previous games it's pretty clear that one guy is a high level player while the other is very raw and frankly not very good.

Caller basically jumped the gun and instead of asking around and looking at a variety of evidence, just went up and banned them solely on IPs/the pms which don't say anything (this is why town loses at mafia lol). Then when notified that they were innocent he refused for let them back in for who knows what reason.

Caller you're a good guy and I know you mean well but you can't pull stuff like this in the first place and you especially can't try to be a bureaucrat and cover your butt after it happens.

They deserve a full explanation and a clear exoneration. Mistakes happen, but don't try to cover them up or minimize them.

P.S. Foolishness didn't know MountainDew was his roommate.

Check your PM box please.


Yeah it's okay. I don't want to make a big deal out of it, just want to make sure that

a) Everyone knows they are innocent

b) they get an apology

Foolishness said he's fine with sitting out, just wants everyone to know he didn't cheat.
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dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
July 31 2009 03:21 GMT
#479
getting killed in the game just isn't enough to make people vote on time.. next time, we should get them banned instead. :D
..
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 31 2009 03:23 GMT
#480
Okay, I'm concluding all discussion of the Foolishness:

I fucked up.
Foolishness didn't do anything illegal or wrong per se.
Next time though he should PM ahead of time to let people know if multiple accounts are present, otherwise people might do this shit again.
Stop discussing it, or else you "might" be quietly removed from the game.
I trust Foolishness' voucher as well, despite the fact that I have no idea who it is. The fact that someone is actually vouching is enough.
I fucked up.

End of discussion. Get back to the blatant trolling.
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