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On August 28 2023 16:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both you and TTT basically did. One of you is scum and other one dumb. That's it. Yeah I never said this. I call bullshit. | ||
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On August 28 2023 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: So are you still here DP? I’m playing badminton. I’m checking the thread every now and then but want to respond at length when I get on my pc at home. | ||
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On August 28 2023 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is what bothers me about DP. When i read i also noticed Chez is gonna flip green at some point. You should try to lynch anyone you can other than Chez at that point. Like anyone, but yourself. Call bullshit or hindsight on me, but it's what bothers me about DP the most. Did he really try if he was so sure Chezinu is not red? Before you go down this rabbit hole in short: I knew I needed baby and vivax, once the math lynch went nowhere. This is why I was pushing ttt so hard baby is not going to swap (note I tried to get her to consolidate) But there was no traction at all and the wagon math didn’t work. I also didn’t mind a chez lynch for the reasons stated prior to the flip even when he is town. Finally I want to find information from flast minute switching because mafia are less quick to be able to respond in a way that allows a consistebt narrative this is why I push vote swaps all the time as town (as you well know) I will address more later but I see you forming a tunnel that’s not going to be productive. | ||
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On August 28 2023 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm not forming a tunnel. 1) Why didnt you then just try to convince other people like vivax and mebaby on either mathen or TTT? 2) Why did you not mind lynching a townie? It's not like Chezinu as town is stupid and will make bad choices always. I tried to lynch either ttt or math, I was trying to do that by applying pressure in the thread. You know the answer to that, I stated the reasons earlier. Do you really need me to repeat myself. By the way I was clearly the only person really trying to find another lynch at the time. So I’m not sure why I need to pay for the sin of lynching chezinu. | ||
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On August 28 2023 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: disclaimer: i dont have time to play almost at all for the next 4 irl days. i want this shit to unfold as much as possible today, if possible... thank you. I'm here baby. Marv, Rayn. Let's dance. | ||
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Rayn address this please, as I am about to spend a lot of time addressing you, it's the least you can do in return. | ||
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On August 28 2023 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Im not upset about the lynch not going my way. I dont mind if you dont see the same way as i do since we hardly ever do at least early in the game. Im upset about the fact you did this: You posted a catch up post where you almost completely discard the only real case there is in the game. You only mention one marv's post offhand somewhere there when me/marv/iamp/Koshi talked about it in lengths. Like literally everything else there is is like "this is just different from game X"... I didn't disregard it, I thought it was a good pickup, you also need to remember though, I am making a conclusion based on all the posts after that post by VE which is where I thought: 1.) he could actually hold those contradictory positions and not be mafia. 2.) his appeal to emotion/being bad whatever felt genuine and not what I would expect him to do as mafia, Like in endures 1 that guy was crazy trolling fake claiming etc, he genuinely loves playing as scum, didn't read anything but defeat from a town that feels dead and buried. I don't think the confidence you had in it was warranted however, it was not a slam dunk read ever in my opinion. On August 28 2023 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Instead you call TTT scum but then you actually decide on voting mathenalin instead. Okay. After that you start convincing TTT that TTT is scum when you should instead be trying to get people to lynch mafia if and as you dont want to lynch either Chezinu or VE. The people around aside from TTT and you are Chezinu, Jacob, Vivax and mebaby. VE (if back) and Chezinu are going to vote for anything that is not going to be themselves. Now this bothers me; If you really want to change the lynch from Chezinu to someone that's not VE, you are supposed to convince Vivax, because that will also most likely convince mebaby as she thinks Vivax is town already. But rather than doing that, you make some off-hand questions like "would anyone wanna change?", and continue arguing why TTT is not town... After that you even ask if TTT would switch with you lol. Which begs the question, did you really want to change the lynch away from Chezinu? I thought Math and TTT were better lynches and both were likely to flip scum. I wanted to lynch chezinu over VE. I tried to push TTT when I saw that DMB was on him and would not swap, but there was no traction, it was never going to happen, particularly with Perfection a very vocal proponent of the Chez lynch, And i thought lynching chez would at least, clear the thread of the tunnelling, the memeing, AI etc a bit so was healthy for the game even if he was town. But yeah, I think this is all clear when you read the events. Not sure why it's not clear to you TBH. | ||
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On August 28 2023 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: im guessing you just agree with this because you dont disagree with it when your top scumread says it. WTF is this logic? I agree with my top scumread by default?!? That is fucking nonsense rayn. I was trying to push a wagon on Math at that time, | ||
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On August 28 2023 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: You're clearly talking to me like i am town, don't even try to deny it. Explain what you mean by this, provide some evidence, you don't get to make assertions like that without a shred of substance. | ||
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On August 28 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk DP, you didnt even try to get people on TTT your top scumread while mebaby was voting there and Vivax already said the post where she voted was tip top tier. Did you really want to lynch not-chezinu? Why do you think I was pushing him? | ||
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On August 28 2023 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: this is so horrible... so very horrible. Yes it is. TTT usually has a scumhunting agenda not just 'meh' these are my lynches and im good even though they suck, there is a lack of investment in the outcome. | ||
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On August 28 2023 17:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: iamp: this is very smart koshi. not necessarily right but still very smart town koshi. another one is the read on mebaby. he doesnt need to make that read, it's flimsy at best, but it's probably what he thinks like 95% sure of it, especially because i thought exactly the same. vote switch to VE like that is not scummy, ask marv. Disagree, this is focusing on someone misreading a post that is ambiguous and then drawing a large conclusion about their alignment from it. Seems more scum than town because it doesn't try to get at the root of my alignment, just 'oops I think you made a mistake, now i tunnel you for it' If we called everyone who misread posts mafia it would be the whole thread except probably marv. | ||
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On August 28 2023 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is what bothers me about DP. When i read i also noticed Chez is gonna flip green at some point. You should try to lynch anyone you can other than Chez at that point. Like anyone, but yourself. Call bullshit or hindsight on me, but it's what bothers me about DP the most. Did he really try if he was so sure Chezinu is not red? I really tried, but it was not possible, there was not enough people to swap, part of the problem was that DMB and Vivax would only lynch TTT and then TTT would not lynch himself. So we could get 4 with me chez, vivax and dmb vs 6 on chez. That was it, tell me what more I could do? | ||
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On August 28 2023 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm not forming a tunnel. I lol'd | ||
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On August 28 2023 18:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like idk how you just brush all this off like it's nothing. It's a really good case for someone to be mafia even if it was not D1.... TTT is even worse for saying we're lynchg for LAL... He didn't seem mafia to me after he came into the thread and called himself bad, I also think Math is scum, he also thought math was scum. That made me not want to lynch him. The legit post by post account of my catchup was posted dude. | ||
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On August 28 2023 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: "His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously." Yeah I understand this, its not as clear cut as you make it out to be in my opinion. | ||
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On August 28 2023 18:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) even if chezinu was mafia, if VE is mafia, why change the direction at that point? 2) why? lynching mafia D1 is always town cred. I don;t think VE is mafia. | ||
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Also I don't think being open to different perspectives on posts that are written by people not speaking their native language is bad, I think it is kind, and inclusive. You do realize you have called me bad and mafia every game that we have played this year, right? and in exactly zero of these games have I been bad or mafia. Something to reflect on. | ||
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On August 28 2023 20:32 marvellosity wrote: The lack of traction on the math wagon is because he doesn’t look scummy enough for there to be traction… He looks bad to me tho. Do you think he is town? | ||
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On August 28 2023 20:42 marvellosity wrote: Yes, I’d like to see this DP One of (rather, the only) the problems with Grack hosting is I always miss the important hours before deadline… sad times Basically, I think most scum players have a really tough time adapting to rapidly changing dynamics, particularly around lynches. They have to coordinate, their plans are all mixed up, they have to consider how they will maintain a consistent narrative on their vote etc. etc. Scum often are reluctant to vote and unvote without saying stuff, or providing a reason which can cause them to state things that are just too far out of other peoples lens on the game. It spews a massive amount of information into the thread and forces people to take positions. Basically all this stuff really helps solve the game for town. Also it puts people on edge so that often, if someone looks really townie suddenly, there is the ability to switch off. Now look, if there is a slam dunk case (such as the one on you in endures 1  ) i don;t do it, tend not to later in the game, but at the start absolutely. | ||
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