EPT[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II - Page 58
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 16 2018 23:30 kitaman27 wrote: On top of that, even prpl got stuck with the LL which I think was actually the right choice from grack Yeah in the end it was the right choice ofc but generally speaking you should always give LF at that point though it made sense to grack because he picked up the hesitation from prplhz when he got elected. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 16 2018 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah you kinda had to "yolo or die trying", that's true. I am very very proud of my prplhz read lol. <3 Heh when you hinted that you thought he might be Hitler at the start of day two I knew we were in trouble. I think a lot of townies did a good job looking town early in the game, which really limited options for a potential scum team as the game went on. Then when Rels picked things up it, it started to become a lost cause because he was making valid arguments. I think I was Krogan's number two choice on day one. It would have been interesting to see how the game played out in that case. Is it safe to assume that facists typically win by electing Hitler? Getting six facist policies seems like a really tough task to pull off. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 16 2018 23:44 kitaman27 wrote: Is it safe to assume that facists typically win by electing Hitler? Getting six facist policies seems like a really tough task to pull off. yes | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
I assume scum chancellors would enact liberal early on. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
We probably would have still been in a tough spot, but if prpl played really townie and there were a couple FFF draws, at least there would have been a path to victory | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18106 Posts
On November 16 2018 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol 100% correct reads (even the prplhz is Hitler) and Acrofales still thinks i am mafia.  Eh, I didn't really care, lol. My last posts are "lets entertain the idea that the very obvious scumreads are wrong", mostly because if they were right it LITERALLY didn't matter what town did, they would win with the triumvirate of Grack, Rels and you rocking the world. The rest of my scumread on you is association with krogan, who was my top scumread (doesn't say much, because i didn't actually read the thread. Mostly just filtered Sentinel and looked at the last few posts around that). You agree with me that if krogan was scum, you'd have to be hitler, right? :D And your plan disregarding scum potentially lying about the flips was pretty bad. If you had flipped 2 fascist policies out of 5 cards, you'd be in a lot worse position. Of course, scum was (1) bad, (2) had the game format against them, and (3) unlucky with the draws, so they never got the opportunity to lie about the card flips, and your plan worked out, so it's all water under the bridge. Anyway, congrats town. Very well played. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On November 16 2018 23:30 kitaman27 wrote: Well it was day four, with three passed liberal policies and Rels about to get elected lol. We weren't going to win at that point and we weren't able to concede so I was mostly just throwing stuff out there to set up a scenario where Rels draws FFF and I think you're scum. Unfortunately we didn't really get a break with the cards on the first few days and the president order was a bit unfortunate. On top of that, even prpl got stuck with the LL which I think was actually the right choice from grack. Me and byj weren't really on the same page this game with our voting and prpl accidentally drew suspicion day one linking himself to me, without knowing my identity. XD Congrats to town, well played! I'd be curious to see if prpl picked up on the signal we sent him day one. There was a phrase that would only make sense to him, but it was a reference to something from like 6 years ago  Thanks to Sentinel and Mocsta for hosting. Was fun! I think getting stuck with LL is not necessarily a bad thing with Hitler but LF makes you look better. Until I realized that electing libs 5 days in a row was possible I thought there was a chance prp could pass himself off as a lib and maybe get elected chancellor. It seemed to me that libs essentially solved the game - as I told Mocsta, if that wasn't the case, Day 5 I would've swapped the cards around to make it FFF - but he and I agreed the current order was fine. But by that point it was clear that liberals won fair and square, so I left the order the way it is. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
thanks host for the game | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 17 2018 00:11 Acrofales wrote: And your plan disregarding scum potentially lying about the flips was pretty bad. If you had flipped 2 fascist policies out of 5 cards, you'd be in a lot worse position. Of course, scum was (1) bad, (2) had the game format against them, and (3) unlucky with the draws, so they never got the opportunity to lie about the card flips, and your plan worked out, so it's all water under the bridge. The thing is i was almost 100% sure everyone who were presidents were town, obviously i wouldn't have made that plan if i thought either Grack, Conv, or Rels was scum. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 17 2018 02:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think getting stuck with LL is not necessarily a bad thing with Hitler but LF makes you look better. On November 16 2018 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah in the end it was the right choice ofc but generally speaking you should always give LF at that point though it made sense to grack because he picked up the hesitation from prplhz when he got elected. Could you two elaborate on why it's better to pass LF instead of LL as a liberal president? If there is a facist chancellor they are going to choose the option that they feel is the most beneficial to their team. Why is it better to give them an option if the information gained is essentially a WIFOM situation? It seems like it would be better to simply ensure the liberal policy gets passed. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18106 Posts
On November 17 2018 02:42 kitaman27 wrote: Could you two elaborate on why it's better to pass LF instead of LL as a liberal president? If there is a facist chancellor they are going to choose the option that they feel is the most beneficial to their team. Why is it better to give them an option if the information gained is essentially a WIFOM situation? It seems like it would be better to simply ensure the liberal policy gets passed. 100% agree. I would instantly execute someone who discarded a free Liberal policy "for the sake of information". Lets say you are town, and passed LLF, there are 3 scenarios: 1. You don't care what faction your chancellor is, you pass him LL and celebrate free victory. 2. You give your chancellor LF and he passes L. You now know he's more likely town, but it was still fairly early in the game, and he could just be scum trying to gain some town credit to be able to influence the game later on. Some added value over simply passing the L, but it's mostly speculation you could get from simply reading filters too. 3. Your chancellor is scum and you give him LF. He passes Fascist. Now from here, he'll simply claim you are scum and you passed him FF, and the whole situation turns into a "who's more townier", which is toxic for everybody and you probably both get ignored for the rest of the game. Oh, and a fascist policy gets passed. The marginal value of 2 over 1 is simply not worth the risk of 3. Oh, and things are actually worse the townier you think your chancellor is. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On November 16 2018 23:30 kitaman27 wrote: Well it was day four, with three passed liberal policies and Rels about to get elected lol. We weren't going to win at that point and we weren't able to concede so I was mostly just throwing stuff out there to set up a scenario where Rels draws FFF and I think you're scum. Unfortunately we didn't really get a break with the cards on the first few days and the president order was a bit unfortunate. On top of that, even prpl got stuck with the LL which I think was actually the right choice from grack. Me and byj weren't really on the same page this game with our voting and prpl accidentally drew suspicion day one linking himself to me, without knowing my identity. XD Congrats to town, well played! I'd be curious to see if prpl picked up on the signal we sent him day one. There was a phrase that would only make sense to him, but it was a reference to something from like 6 years ago Thanks to Sentinel and Mocsta for hosting. Was fun! didn't pick up on it  | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote: Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is? On November 01 2018 05:00 kitaman27 wrote: Is that honestly what you think my intention was? On November 01 2018 05:32 byj wrote: It seems so out of place, so yes. On November 01 2018 06:38 kitaman27 wrote: By the way, anyone getting a bunch of timeouts with the site? tlzomg -_- Heh it was a pretty obscure reference, but does this mean anything to you? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 17 2018 02:42 kitaman27 wrote: Could you two elaborate on why it's better to pass LF instead of LL as a liberal president? If there is a facist chancellor they are going to choose the option that they feel is the most beneficial to their team. Why is it better to give them an option if the information gained is essentially a WIFOM situation? It seems like it would be better to simply ensure the liberal policy gets passed. assumning people have actually made reads in game more info > passing liberal with 0 info that's just my opinion, maybe i am wrong | ||
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