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On December 13 2017 21:25 Holyflare wrote:
I think forumite might be mafia. That's just a cursory not read much other than skimming point of view but he seems to be all about defending conversion and he seems a bit off. If you are sure on Conversion, would you make a case? The current case on Conversion is old and spread between Koshi and DF and maaany pages.
I think Oats is scum. He doesn't post with much substance, and his defence of Conversion was lacklustre. Is one-liners how he usually plays?
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On December 13 2017 21:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 21:34 Forumite wrote:On December 13 2017 21:25 Holyflare wrote:
I think forumite might be mafia. That's just a cursory not read much other than skimming point of view but he seems to be all about defending conversion and he seems a bit off. If you are sure on Conversion, would you make a case? The current case on Conversion is old and spread between Koshi and DF and maaany pages. I think Oats is scum. He doesn't post with much substance, and his defence of Conversion was lacklustre. Is one-liners how he usually plays? It's really not old and spread over many pages. If you read my posts, since there aren't that many, I said it was specifically the df case on conversion that made me sheep. It's just conversion repeatedly saying df is doing mafia things and then never actually calling him mafia. Why oats? Why is calling someone out without voting scummy? It wasn't a full case, maybe Conversion was unsure and decided to pressure. It's only scummy if he was trying to get a lynch going, or make people suspicious of DF, without calling attention to himself. I don't see that.
My current scumreads are Oats and Kmatt. Both have very short filters and no concrete accusations, mostly staying under the radar. Oats mostly for his two posts defending conversion without acctually relieving pressure or countering argument, just pointing a finger at townies about to lynch townies.
On December 13 2017 11:11 Kmatt wrote:Oh, looks like I missed Conversion's question earlier Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 10:00 Conversion wrote:Kmatt: scum for not writing the entire 12 days of christmas song fitted to mafia theme On December 13 2017 01:06 Kmatt wrote:
While I'm not against lynching an AFK, Koshi did work the game I played with him, so I'd rather he live for now. And Palmar wagon is too mainstream for me.
Chezinu's posts offend my sensibilities, however
##Vote Chezinu
Just enough posts at the start to not be under the AFK lens, but staying completely out of the thread since then. this is weak pressure. instead of commenting on people who are being active and generating content, parks lazy afk vote on Chezinu. after that, asks two questions and ignores the entire thread on me being scum and such. might just be a playstyle thing? I don't comment = you're town? who knows I've been following this thread on and off but was more curious to see where Koshi (and hopefully Forumite if he ever comes back) were gonna take it. Also there wasn't much content at the time aside from the half-serious Palmar wagon, so I prefer to seek out a case on my own. I guess that counts as playstyle. What is he talking about? Why does he want my opinion on it? Also, soft accusing me of lurking. Is he steering away from the Palmar lynch? I'm on it, but didn't lead it. Possibly calling attention to me over prplhz and conversion, or it's unrelated to Palmar voting.
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On December 13 2017 11:11 Kmatt wrote:
"it" in that last post being the push on Conversion. Me and my pronouns. Okay, kmatt was referring to the Conversion lynch/wagon, which I'm not on. Is he confused?
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On December 13 2017 22:13 Arya321 wrote:
Had anyone in here played with Forumite before? Just curious since I never played with him >.> VE, prplhz, Koshi, Palmar, a bunch more. I think Koshi did a short metaread on me in his filter.
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##Unvote
##Vote Oatsmaster
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On December 13 2017 12:50 Chezinu wrote:
Kmatt, are you scares? Chezinu, is Kmatt scum?
On December 13 2017 08:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2017 04:28 Koshi wrote:On December 12 2017 08:13 prplhz wrote:On December 12 2017 08:11 Arya321 wrote:
BTW Setup talk is a dumb thnig to speculate now since we should just focus on pure scum hunting. Setup talking is sometimes a good way to scum hunt as town and scum sometimes think differently about it. Scum hunting off of a couple of "Hi"-posts is unlikely to yield results, no? On December 12 2017 08:14 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 08:11 Arya321 wrote:
BTW Setup talk is a dumb thnig to speculate now since we should just focus on pure scum hunting. this isn't a great post. of course we should scum hunt, but that doesn't mean setup talk isn't scum hunting also there's like 1 page of content, so we can't really do much else until people bleed in Bad posts It was a mafia bait post from Arya. Easy to critisize without risking looking bad. I am not catching up tonight (will do tomorrow), but I do agree with this so conversion is no longer town, and koshi looks better for making the point. I'd like to see Palmars opinions after the promised reread. Is "tomorrow" now or after the nightpost? So far he has Scum Conversion, town Oats, so basically opposite mine. Palmars filter is very thin, I want more
I will be away for the hours leading up to the lynch, but still here for a while yet.
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On December 13 2017 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kmatt
Grackaroni
Conversion
Ayra321
prphlz
Eversince
DarthFoley
Forumite
Koshi
Oatsmaster
Holyflare
Palmar
This is approximately where I stand. I don't think I missed anyone. I honestly still don't have any scumreads until I see some flips or whatever, I still kinda think Oats is mafia based on his lack of giving shits and I'm really confused by Koshi's utter hatred of my playstyle. But it's whatever. I won't lynch anyone that's green and I would lynch anyone that's black. I'm in the process of narrowing it down to who I actually prefer to lynch now. I´d like to put Kmatt in the black list, I don´t see any reason why he should be considered town. I tried to find the genuine anger at VE defending his target, whatever. Not enough for me.
On Koshi, what do you think is off with his play?
I´d like to lynch Oats today, or Palmar unless he gets in here talking. Or Kmatt. Right now there are too many undecided.
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On December 13 2017 23:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster Nice
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On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm not 99% sure, I'm 100% sure forumite is mafia. Would you mind elaborating? It´s not scummy to call me mafia but you´ve been quiet for a while and I just started throwing suspicion on Oats who´s gotten a few votes allready. Are you defending Oats, or are you setting up for an easy lynch on me D2?
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On December 14 2017 00:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 00:36 Forumite wrote:On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm not 99% sure, I'm 100% sure forumite is mafia. Would you mind elaborating? It´s not scummy to call me mafia but you´ve been quiet for a while and I just started throwing suspicion on Oats who´s gotten a few votes allready. Are you defending Oats, or are you setting up for an easy lynch on me D2? get out of your shell scum. Why on earth are you excusing me for calling you mafia. I'm fucking great at this, I should not be wrong when I'm convinced. If you're town you surely must consider I'm mafia. Not really. You have as good a read on me as everyone else in the thread, that I was slow in the beginning and did a few odd posts early. You are right on calling me out on those, that doesn´t make you scum. Doing a read on me is a null-read the other way around, I´ve gotten a lot of suspicion from townies as town in other games and in reverse I try not to automatically side with those who agree with me.
Big question, why do you think Oats is town? Or are you pushing me because I tried to save Conversion? You say that it was a clear case, I´ve read the thread and his filter but I don´t see it. If you want Conversion lynched then give me a case on him first. Going for a chainsaw defence in favor of Oats make you look scummy.
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I won't be online for the lynch, might be able to post some more. Good feeling about this lynch.
Eversince, DF, you need to vote.
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On December 14 2017 01:22 Arya321 wrote:
Palmar can you please sheep this Oats vote although your case is decent I think Oats got a higher chance of being mafia than Forumite since I know Oats better than Forumite. Thanks, I guess
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On December 14 2017 01:28 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 01:27 Forumite wrote:
I won't be online for the lynch, might be able to post some more. Good feeling about this lynch.
Eversince, DF, you need to vote. Good feeling because it's not you? Because it might happen even with me offline a few hours, also Oats disappeared, maybe to avoid outing scumteam
If I was afraid of getting lynched I would have sheeped Conversion
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On December 14 2017 01:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 01:28 Forumite wrote:On December 14 2017 01:22 Arya321 wrote:
Palmar can you please sheep this Oats vote although your case is decent I think Oats got a higher chance of being mafia than Forumite since I know Oats better than Forumite. Thanks, I guess Notice how I cleverly set you up for an easy day 2 lynch. Nah, you actually came around and read Oats.
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On December 14 2017 02:55 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:On December 14 2017 02:42 Conversion wrote:On December 14 2017 02:29 Grackaroni wrote:On December 14 2017 02:19 Koshi wrote:On December 14 2017 02:04 Grackaroni wrote:Ok I did a quick reread of Conversion's scum play in the last newbie. I think the difference between his play in that game and in this game is really night and day. Do a quick read for yourself. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=ConversionIn that game his reads are a lot more indecisive. He gives a list of wishy washy reads and whenever he gives a read on somebody that isn't a town read he adds a qualifier for why his read may be wrong. In this game he calls out things that he doesn't like about DF, Forumite's and Arya's play right off the bat without reservation. On December 12 2017 08:14 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 08:11 Arya321 wrote:
BTW Setup talk is a dumb thnig to speculate now since we should just focus on pure scum hunting. this isn't a great post. of course we should scum hunt, but that doesn't mean setup talk isn't scum hunting also there's like 1 page of content, so we can't really do much else until people bleed in On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 12:16 Arya321 wrote:On December 12 2017 12:04 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 12:00 darthfoley wrote:
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I did. It was not as glorious as advertised ya but why would you tell people palmar led "us" to utter defeat last game, when you won? i think he means he led town to utter defeat? Just not worded right I think. from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting? On December 12 2017 23:53 Conversion wrote:
the way I see Oats is he makes a lot of weird aggressive posts early. it's what he does after that matters more (when I was mafia w/ him he opened the same way, but then starting being more passive)
what's your opinion on Forumite? I don't like the soft questioning he(she?) is doing without giving away reads unless asked I think the chances of Conversion being scum are really quite low. Hmm. Does that mean I am bad? It probably makes one of HF/DF mafia more likely. this is more interesting than my between DF/Koshi read, but idk if mafia!HF would expose himself so much by sheeping onto a town lynch like that. even in my head between DF/Koshi DF is way more likely to flip mafia if I go under the assumption that one person in the "Conv is mafia" case is mafia can you explain your DF/HF split? It's just from the main pushers of your lynch being Koshi/DF/HF and thinking that Koshi is town. Kind of agree, I think HolyFlare sort of piggy bagged on that read and tried to take credit for work where none was due. Kind of thinking Oatsmaster/Kmart/HolyFlare but the last scum could be pretty much anybody. When is deadline? I though it was in like six hours. 2,5 hours, the vote-count post has a timer.
Kmatt, Ever and DF haven't voted yet.
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Good job town, I was a bit worried when I logged in again and saw 10 new pages.
On December 14 2017 05:51 prplhz wrote:
Is there anything better than a red flip even if you didn't have much to do with it? Almost makes up for having to play from a phone. That red-flip, feelsgoodman.jpg
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On December 14 2017 05:40 darthfoley wrote:
This is actually quite interesting. Whoever said Oats was AFK'ing not to implicate his partners was diggity right.
I'll have to do some rereading later tonight I think he was in here posting a bit before the lynch. But yes, if the lynch is sure then it´s a good tactic to go completely silent so that town don´t get any more info. If scum keeps posting then what we do get is WIFOM, but there is always a risk that he makes a mistake right before flipping.
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On December 14 2017 09:25 Conversion wrote:
ok i googled it. so check someone n1 then check someone n2 and the return is a comparison of both? Yeah, blue with a twist. Parity cops only know if two players are the same or different alignment, so you can´t know for sure until one of the flips. That way you can´t trust the detective, or at least the DT can´t get as good a read or as quickly and scum have more chances to kill the DT. There´s also the Doctor who only saves if the target is under attack, otherwise the doctor kills the target. It can´t really work as a normal medic but can instead be an odd Vigilante. These are rare in TL Mafia as far as I remember, except in the weirder themed games.
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On December 14 2017 21:22 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 21:14 Conversion wrote:
your thought progression wasn’t clear at all to me. it just seemed like you gave up on your acum read for me and all of a sudden turned to Oats. like never in your filter did I see that you scumread Oats over me. if that’s what you thought, sure I guess? need you to be more transparent about this and idk how much I can give room to you being busy O alright I guess but I did say I voted Oats over you because I thought your lynch would not happen at the time frame I was around? How is not that clear? Hi Ever. Who is your current lynch candidates? What's your read on Conversion after the Oats flip?
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