Not really, the only way to win this game was to make Koshi paranoid and think Holyflare is mafia. Or gamble or shoot him N1. But if that goes south it's an insta-lose. I would have shot ritoky N1. But i didn't really care at all at that point. Geript basically wrote our death sentence with the Damdred kill.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 09:42 GMT

#3459

Well it's nice to see 80% of why the judges thought i am scum comes from that they don't communicate with the game and made a wrong judgement call on why i did something.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 09:44 GMT

#3461

On August 22 2017 18:42 Holyflare wrote:
It was extremely bull shit. You shouldn't ever be allowed to talk about whether you've tried to be replaced out and denied.

I think it's extremely bullshit that i wasn't allowed to replace, the only reason i kept playing is because i think geript deserved it.

I mean i was literally very very close to say some quite harsh words.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 09:49 GMT

#3466

On August 22 2017 18:48 Holyflare wrote:
I'm sorry what? You got called out with a very good case and it made you angry?

You and your case have nothing to do with why i wanted to replace out. You were just annoying, not a big fucking dick for no reason.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 09:58 GMT

#3470

I sometimes wonder why the only people who get modkilled and banned for telling someone to go burn and die are raynpelikoneet and Koshi (and this is even when it's clear it's completely sarcastic). People on this forum have a lot of double standards.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 10:05 GMT

#3475

The problem with this game is the following:

Mafia should not be forced to look super super super town in order for the game to be "balanced", not to even mention we can't even know, EVER, what the judges think is townie or not... townies never have that problem, because they shouldn't care in the first place. Doesn't help that if there ever is confirmed town you can't kill them.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 10:17 GMT

#3482

On August 22 2017 19:13 Rels wrote:

Show nested quote +

Disagree. If you just shoot HF N1 you have a real "shot" at winning IMO. You become thread leader and do whatever you want.

This is true yes, but it is only because geript played insanely good D1 (and D2, but especially D1). He is talking in general, and in general playing as mafia is to look and see what people find townie and say those things (so you don't get lynched). With the judges.... well it takes away the whole "how to play scum" away since you can't ever know what the judges find townie or not. And don't bring any meta bullshit here (i mean like "you should know how X or Y thinks") because no, that's just another point towards imbalance when you have to have "meta" and also apply it correctly in order to win.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 10:19 GMT

#3484

On August 22 2017 19:18 geript wrote:

Show nested quote +

I don't think there's any way that forcing scum to be thread leader is balanced. Like any non-HF shot implicates people who are towny and experienced. Any HF shot risks mod-confirming HF. That's just lose-lose. In a normal game, Town doesn't even get to know if a shot was prevented (if medic) and a vet claim can be challenged (or shot again).

This.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 10:25 GMT

#3487

On August 22 2017 19:23 Koshi wrote:
Well in a normal open game HF would be only confirmed to the doc. And if you want to medic dodge you still have to shoot very much down the line like you did here.

No Koshi, the problem is here is no medic dodge. If you medic dodge in a normal game (correctly), you can shoot the person the next night. Here it's impossible, also there is the fact that if you happen to shoot someone who actually took the vest you will NEVER EVER be able to get rid of the mod confirmed town, unlike in a normal game.

you should have always nominated Holyflare and ritoky for D3, that's where you made a mistake. Even if you think they can be mafia you should have always nominated them on D3 for the prize. That's a fact.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 10:30 GMT

#3490

On August 22 2017 19:27 Koshi wrote:
Like last game having lower activity but good players Damdred/Geript as conf town and then rayn and hf (I think) bossing it up in the thread was pretty fucking insane as well. It was a tandem with reads you couldn't dismiss because they were conf town, and then a tandem of 2 hyper active vets who were controlling the game like crazy and were super activily trying to solve the game. And the cop was rolled on a guy who would never die before night 6 and he knew it...

I am not really sure what you're trying to say? That last game was imbalanced because town was too good? That's not how balance works, well playing team beats the less well playing. That has nothing to do with if the game is balanced or not.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 10:35 GMT

#3495

Well anyways, gg Holyflare, Rels, judges and geript. well played all of you.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 13:16 GMT

#3551

On August 22 2017 22:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think I have a way to read rayn now at least. Get into shouting matches and challenge him to death.

You will never be able to use that though.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 22 2017 14:19 GMT

#3582

On August 22 2017 22:19 rsoultin wrote:
also, apologies for not cracking down on the "mod said x" going on in the thread

i personally don't give a flying fuck about the normal things people say 'mod-confirms' anyone. if someone's being a shithead to scum rayn, i'm not going to let that continue just because he's scum. if someone tells me 'yes, i'm working extra hours and i need to lie to my gf and that's awkward for me but the real reason i want to replace out is people are scumreading me for the wrong reasons when i'm scum', yes, i'll tell them tough titty. obviously we didn't just tell rayn to suck it up, but no, that will never be a suitable replacement excuse for me

and ultimately i don't care if someone says 'the host told me x' when i'm playing in a game; of course they can be lying or leveraging it. but because so many in the community here seem to, we should have cracked down on that in thread. instead, rayn used it and we didn't say anything. then eversince abused it. then cake used it. so, lesson learned. much as i think it's dumb for people to think i'm going to modkill someone for mentioning my name in thread, it was becoming disruptive to the game and should have been stopped. apologies

Did you even read what i wrote to you on skype?

Alright, it is good to know telling someone to go choke on bag of dicks or burn and die is alright and you shouldnt get upset about it. I will remember that next time.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

August 23 2017 08:15 GMT

#3654

Notice the rayn save by ES and TW during phase 1 btw.

Rayn majority, ES shows up last minute, votes FF. TW unvotes rayn whom he was bussing at first possibly and switches to hopeless.

Rels i was talking about this earlier. I mean what is this even?

Sure fine if you wanna call 40minutes "last minute".

+ when i asked you about your geript read. It was not what one of the judges said and i could have explained it if someone asked. You said something weird about geript and it was to figure your alignment more than his and one judge turned into "wow rayn asks this because he is mafia with geript" or smth like that.

Also this:

Damdred kill really points towards rayn and ever slot.

Right, but i didn't want to kill Damdred and i wouldn't do that normally as mafia.

So like yeah... i don't think i played even close to well but those are not reasons why i should be mafia. ^^ Holyflare said it better (with 300 posts or so). I was mafia because i didn't care.