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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 16 2017 16:26 GMT
#1961
I'm here sorta. I am at work but it's not like I'm important or busy
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 16:27 GMT
#1962
the two bigish posts on xata i remember:
On June 15 2017 08:12 darthfoley wrote:
I'm actually really down with Koshi's three scum reads ATM. Xatalos hasn't changed my mind with his most recent posts. I asked him what he made of the game, and basically regurgitated the case on ruXxar as his only scum read worth mentioning. This was after like 3-5 people had cased ruXxar and cited the same posts Xata used.

This post also sits badly in my stomach. The bolded just feels like an unnatural/aggressive way to claim having an original idea (Which is something mafia often struggle with, and something I think Xatalos has struggled with in this game so far).

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:05 Xatalos wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
Who was saying the koshi wagon is too fast? It has 5 fucking votes on it.


I think I said that first? And FF too at some point?

Anyways, he does actually have 6 votes already with no true challenger. I thought it was 7 but apparently I was wrong. This doesn't mean he can't be 3P, at all, but it feels like he's sinking a bit too easily if scum.


I also really like Koshi's description of Grack's play. He hasn't ventured into any unknown territory. He casually sort-of threw out one scum read on me, never defended it.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
[quote]

Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
[quote]
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


Look at me as much as you like, but why?

I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.


That's super generic, and not even an honest representation of my play so far IMO. I don't think i've blended at all. I just see no drive to scum hunt-- at all.

No idea why people are town reading annul tbh. His last post particularly stuck out to me. I actually concluded the opposite thing from reading ruXxar's post

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 05:46 annul wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
I eagerly await your explanation of sicklucker as your top town. I understand phone posting is shitty so i will wait for a keyboard


This one is easy to explain.

Hard claiming cop with a positive scum read is suicide if you are mafia.

If in whatever circumstance eversince is exposed to be town, then sicklucker would be an autolynch.

I think that's a fast way to throw the game as mafia.

It's not a play I would make as mafia, therefore I think he is town.


im down for a ruxxar lynch as a result of this post btw


That seems like townie/rusty player logic. Plus it still doesn't sit right with me how annul ignored HF v. Rayn v. Koshi so to speak when they're the drivers of conversation and it was the biggest topic of conversation at the time.


and
On June 15 2017 23:43 Skynx wrote:
What I get from Xata is that he's around but just chilling.

He seems to be pretty mixed up in the whole me calling out ruxxar and followup from there thing, eventually voting ruxxar deeming there is enough stuff on him. + Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2017 03:44 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:35 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:27 Xatalos wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:15 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:01 Xatalos wrote:
DF: I wasn't the only one who missed Skynx's main point initially. After he explained further, I actually agreed that it looked worse for ruxxar than disfo. So what's the issue?

And I wouldn't really call my filter "filler".


Well I would, which is why I did. My point is that mafia are often looking to misconstrue people's posts and throwing around suspicion.

@ Vivax. It's not that he didn't have reads, it's that he seemed to be ignoring the major event in the thread at the time. It's fine to be not super committed to early D1 reads, but I felt like the "I have no idea what to make of this" was a cop out to people's legit questions about it.


Well, it's just an inaccurate description... Maybe I have some not-so-important posts, but certainly not only those..

Besides, I just don't see what's bad about the Skynx events. Skynx's points on disfo caught my attention more than his underlying point to bring attention to ruxxar, that's all. He was later forced to elaborate and only then did it become clear that ruxxar was where his main focus was (I guess it was possible to notice by reading his original post more carefully, but I digress).


I'm more interested in hearing what you make of the game and its players at this point, now that you've caught up.


Fair enough. At this point I mainly dislike ruxxar and rayn - mixed on Koshi. I've already talked about rayn/Koshi so here's some points about ruxxar:

1) Like Skynx pointed out very early on, ruxxar called disfo's opening post a strong post... when it was really null at best. ruxxar later tried to explain it away by saying that it was just a tone read, unrelated to the content, but really? All I got from the tone of disfo's opening post was non-committing/vague, not decisive/relaxed/insightful or things a townie tone should be. Maybe the format wasn't overly polished, but so what? And is it a strong post if it's just bad/unpolished? Felt to me like ruxxar was staying stuff he didn't actually mean and then tried to somehow salvage the situation.

2) This post...

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.


This makes it real simple.
Lynch eversince.
If green, lynch sicklucker.

Guaranteed 1 scum down.


...is probably the least town-motivated post I saw so far. Not only is that "plan" bad, but it has a thought process of happily lynching people with little to no reason. Again, not aligning comfortably with a town mindset of making the most out of our lynches, but rather just using them up on someone (like scum would).

3)

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Really....? Now that Koshi has a huge wagon he just sheeps it with no reason whatsoever?


- - -


All in all, I'll be switching my vote to ruxxar.

This is all fine.

What's not fine is that he's not revealing ANYTHING at all. I mean there are absolutely no reads other than ruxxar. He has a 3 page filter but not a list, one scumread, no townreads. Lets say he lasts a few days and D3 we analyze him, his D1 will look like he did nothing while being around all the time and having a 3 page filter. This is kinda worse than Palmar.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:12 Xatalos wrote:
Btw could someone condense the case on Koshi? I get the fact that he said some 3P-sounding things earlier on, and isn't playing to his town (or scum?) meta... Still the huge wagon makes me wary.

For example here you can see him pretending to be interested but instead of "hey x why do you think Koshi is mafia?" we get the bolded, and no follow up. Filter is pretty much just thoughts like this.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?


For rayn, it's mostly just that he's been very lackluster/passive so far. The worst thing that stood out to me was how he just talked about "Koshi not being mafia" though everybody was speculating about Koshi being 3P at that point. It's like he didn't even read what people said about Koshi and made his conclusion anyway.

He's following the game, but no thoughts on the situation. If you're kinda null, just tell. If you think rayn is town at least say so, don't have to defend him maybe but it will prompt people to ask you questions and so on.

He is playing a pretty risk-free game. Props to DF for spotting him earlier on, very lynchable.

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 16 2017 16:28 GMT
#1963
Rels
Disformation

Xatalos???
Skynx???

Tumblewood??

btdt?

then there are some reads i am not sure of, like plammer and holyflare.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 16 2017 16:28 GMT
#1964
that's beasically where i am at rn.
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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 16:30 GMT
#1965
would be happy if you would explain your rels scumread a bit

like i asked you a few pages back
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 16 2017 16:31 GMT
#1966
It is the one post, let me find it.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 16 2017 16:32 GMT
#1967
I'm going to do a doubletake at ruxxar and why i stopped scumming him, I'm gonna read some of the bigger filters too if it's still slow here
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 16 2017 16:32 GMT
#1968
I'm around. Largely confused and trying to digest the 60 pages I needed to catch up on.


Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 16 2017 16:34 GMT
#1969
On June 15 2017 16:52 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 12:05 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else wonder why Rels was like 24 town reads with caveats to every read? How can you call Xata's post on ruXxar "good' when he just copy and pasted what like 4 other people have already pointed out?

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
Like how can Rels view my case on Xatalos as convincing and pretty good while also town reading Xatalos for a thread sentiment case on ruXxar?

Don't like Rels so far

It was a chronological list of things of interest while I was catching up. When I found something on a player that was already on the list I just put another thing under the list of that player.
So:
DF:
- also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI.
- nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic.

First dash refers to this post.
Second dash refers to this post.

Then this:
Xata:
- good post on ruxxar.

Refers to this post.

this post. it is all over the place, starts from nothing and ends up on nothing.
idk how to explain it more clearly.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 16 2017 16:36 GMT
#1970
Meh i am bad... The post doesnt actually explain anything (in how he got where he did), it just repeats what he did...
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Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 16 2017 16:38 GMT
#1971
On June 17 2017 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 16:52 Rels wrote:
On June 15 2017 12:05 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else wonder why Rels was like 24 town reads with caveats to every read? How can you call Xata's post on ruXxar "good' when he just copy and pasted what like 4 other people have already pointed out?

On June 15 2017 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
Like how can Rels view my case on Xatalos as convincing and pretty good while also town reading Xatalos for a thread sentiment case on ruXxar?

Don't like Rels so far

It was a chronological list of things of interest while I was catching up. When I found something on a player that was already on the list I just put another thing under the list of that player.
So:
DF:
- also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI.
- nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic.

First dash refers to this post.
Second dash refers to this post.

Then this:
Xata:
- good post on ruxxar.

Refers to this post.

this post. it is all over the place, starts from nothing and ends up on nothing.
idk how to explain it more clearly.



I took it as Rels was catching up and just had a word doc off to the side making bullet point notes on people as he caught up. A lot of people thought that looked weird and questioned his progression process since everything seemed to jump around. The post you quote here is him explaining that.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 16 2017 16:38 GMT
#1972
Man ruxxar really tried to buddybuddy with me when i started to wane on my scumread on him. Yuck
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 16:39 GMT
#1973
well the post is badly formatted. not sure if that is a crime serious enough to get hanged/shot for.^^
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 16 2017 16:41 GMT
#1974
Not that that's something he has to worry about right now anyway right?
Out of claims I think HF/Skynx have both claimed to have a gun.

So Xata/me are the top picks as far as I can tell.
Although HF says he'll drop his on Koshi last I remember and Skinx was to somebody I forgot.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2017 16:41 GMT
#1975
On June 17 2017 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels
Disformation

Xatalos???
Skynx???

Tumblewood??

btdt?

then there are some reads i am not sure of, like plammer and holyflare.


U mad? No Eversince? No sl?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 16 2017 16:41 GMT
#1976
But Rels has nothing to give us so far.
Have you, disformation?
Havev you, Eversince?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 16 2017 16:42 GMT
#1977
On June 17 2017 01:41 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels
Disformation

Xatalos???
Skynx???

Tumblewood??

btdt?

then there are some reads i am not sure of, like plammer and holyflare.


U mad? No Eversince? No sl?

I honestly just forgot sl.
idk about eversince.

^^
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 16 2017 16:43 GMT
#1978
i agree sl is mafia.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2017 16:43 GMT
#1979
On June 17 2017 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 01:41 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2017 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels
Disformation

Xatalos???
Skynx???

Tumblewood??

btdt?

then there are some reads i am not sure of, like plammer and holyflare.


U mad? No Eversince? No sl?

I honestly just forgot sl.
idk about eversince.

^^


Read my case you pleb.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
June 16 2017 16:44 GMT
#1980
On June 17 2017 01:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
Man ruxxar really tried to buddybuddy with me when i started to wane on my scumread on him. Yuck


Yea ruxxar has done the same to me, calling me most town, yadayada
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