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On July 05 2017 04:14 disformation wrote:
well imo it kinda is like this:
if you count the misslynches and how many checks town would need to conf all scum in an optimal case it is balanced.
the modkill kinda fucked up the misslynch number though.
it is fairly swingy though.
as in: if scum figures out the blues early they have a huge edge.
if town checks (vig/tracker/etc) into scum early (somebody has to deliver the 2nd kp and the rc/rb actions) town has a huge edge.
i might concede that scum had maybe 1 anti blue thing to much, but not sure.
think scum did the nightactions better than our blues and the rest of town got screwed by that vca.
Town does not have a huge edge since mafia can instantly kill any blues that claim early. Yes, the blues fucked up, yes we would have probably lost regardless of the setup. But it is insanely mafia favored so hosts should keep that in mind for the future.
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jailer would have been the way to go. in a closed setup couldn't the threat of jailer force gf not to carry kp?
also can't tracker catch a mafia pr? am I missing something?
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On July 05 2017 04:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2017 04:14 disformation wrote:
well imo it kinda is like this:
if you count the misslynches and how many checks town would need to conf all scum in an optimal case it is balanced.
the modkill kinda fucked up the misslynch number though.
it is fairly swingy though.
as in: if scum figures out the blues early they have a huge edge.
if town checks (vig/tracker/etc) into scum early (somebody has to deliver the 2nd kp and the rc/rb actions) town has a huge edge.
i might concede that scum had maybe 1 anti blue thing to much, but not sure.
think scum did the nightactions better than our blues and the rest of town got screwed by that vca. Town does not have a huge edge since mafia can instantly kill any blues that claim early. Yes, the blues fucked up, yes we would have probably lost regardless of the setup. But it is insanely mafia favored so hosts should keep that in mind for the future.
ah fuck i kinda ignored they had the witch thing and the strongarm
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On July 05 2017 04:17 NocturneMage wrote:
jailer would have been the way to go. in a closed setup couldn't the threat of jailer force gf not to carry kp?
also can't tracker catch a mafia pr? am I missing something?
godfather can be trackable/watchable or untrackable/unwatchable.
this gf was untrackable/unwatchable
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Medic + Mason instead of Vet could've balanced out strongarm. What is witch?
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yea this setup feels pretty mafia favored. i didnt really follow the game super closely after i died, but i'm surprised BH survived so long. his posts felt forced (but i've never played with him before so idk)
overall it was fun though, at least while i was alive 
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
I'm just a slippery snake
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On July 05 2017 04:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm just a slippery snake
Just too hilarious to lynch :D
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ignoring setup, what bothered me re: gameplay was sicklucker tanking his game (reminded me of moosydoosy tbh) and va not shooting xatalos. I guess if someone has a town read on xatalos why not shoot a lurker.
not sure I understood why any tracker checks someone twice in a row. I read the thread and I still don't understand. aware it saved the cop but it's not like that's what tracker is supposed to do.
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Canada11355 Posts
Wow guys the loss is all your fault i played perfectly
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sorry for scumreading you fefe :/
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
Whole point of strong arm is to be anti claim to stop the fuckwits that claim d1/d2 that plagued TL for a while. Having it the whole game (not as a role and also as factional so not even delivered!) is already strong. BUT THEN there's the witch thing as well (which is also factional!!!).
The witch should be the only thing mafia should have had to punish early claims. Godfather should also not be untrackable and uncheckable, that's crazy. You just get the gf to send kp all game and he'll never be found making the tracker completely and utterly redundant after n2 for finding mafia (so really a nerfed tracker or one that only finds blues since 100% kp is sent by gf so you can only check mafia doing their actions on non-specifc people which is already mediocre (also I don't think tracker should be allowed to track the same people twice in a row)).
The problem is that this setup was CLOSED with absolutely non-standard roles and abilities but made to look like that it was actually a normal.
town could/should have easily won this game though which is sad even with all the mafia favoured things but a lot of people just didn't care to interact and just yelled or afkd/wanted to auto lynch through a list which has never ever worked in any game
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On July 05 2017 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wow guys the loss is all your fault i played perfectly
exactly my points
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Thank you so much for hosting, Onegu and HtS. Oneg, I hope everything will be better soon 
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The unprompted clarification of the strongarm role by the hosts in the scum qt is something that should never be done either btw.
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Has town won a game this year :p, guess I need to come back and roll mafia a few times
But yeah given the shit post levels not too surprising that mad took it
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
I will say BTDT, next time don't bring up the strongarm role unnecessarily like that. Almost sunk us.
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On July 05 2017 05:11 Blazinghand wrote:
I will say BTDT, next time don't bring up the strongarm role unnecessarily like that. Almost sunk us.
well qt was dead for quite some time
I stopped visiting it at some point
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
Our strategy relied on them not guessing that we could move up LYLO by a day. There was literally no way they were going to guess it, because why would they, but then you started pushing the idea of the strongman vigi. This was an incredibly bad idea independently of me telling you it was a bad idea and was probably the only way we could have lost at that point. I'm just telling you so you improve next time.
Also, I told you to stop doing it, then you posted in the QT: you clearly saw what I said. I posted it very nice ways trying to get you to stop, you replied after my post, clearly you saw it, but continued to do so.
But independently of that, it was still a mistake. Don't make excuses. Do better next time.
That's all.
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On July 05 2017 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
town could/should have easily won this game though which is sad even with all the mafia favoured things but a lot of people just didn't care to interact and just yelled or afkd/wanted to auto lynch through a list which has never ever worked in any game
Thats always why towns do not win games tbh.
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