EPT[N] TL Mafia LXXV - Page 147
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darthfoley
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disformation
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outside of his xata read and the strange bait I also was okay with his filter. he also points out that sl's read on xata is crap. though there is the slight inconsistency that he says "well its cool that xata posted his reads b4 afking" and "oh sl is wrong, xatas reads were super stale". though i normally read fefe the best when i can interact with him a bit. which is kinda hard cause really different time zones. but i'd really would like him to talk about that bait a bit. | ||
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disformation
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darthfoley
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I've never played with FF before, outside of that cell game 2 years ago, so i'm not sure how he plays. | ||
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Chezitwo
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On June 19 2017 21:48 disformation wrote: also took a brief look at some older grack games. dont particular think he look a lot like his old games overall. regardless of alignment. but i wasnt looking very hard cause tired af and reading old filter of games i wasnt even playing in makes me even more tired. xD I can confirm that this grack does not look like the town or scum grack of the past so far. Really weak performance in any case. | ||
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darthfoley
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disformation
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On June 16 2017 07:58 Eversince wrote: I asked for rough's of what everyone has done and HF is the only person to actually do it. But it's to late for a SL switch so I'm just consolidating. basically no annul or xata read, as she came in close to dl with having missed about 60 pages and no idea whats going on. | ||
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disformation
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the next time do what rels did and vote for yourself. avoids the modkill and avoids situations like this. | ||
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disformation
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On June 16 2017 03:45 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote ##vote annul Yolo this post says yolo, but he has a lot of interactions/posts with/about annul prior to that. e.g.: On June 16 2017 02:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Scumlist: Annul - very little contribution, out of everything that's happened he decides to focus on a ruxxar post that has been called out multiple times. Worried about being scumread by ruxx more than finding scum. Grack - I know he has posted but for the life of me can't think of what he posted about or what his reads are. Not good. I just checked his filter and he gives no original reads he just comments on posts, defends ruxxar and throws vague suspicion at darth. Marv - i have played as scum with marv on my team and he didn't play at all and got lynched day 1 with no fight Scumish list: Tw - his townlist looks totally arbitrary HF - I know I called him town earlier but he has spent the majority of the game participating in shitfights which I'm not a fan of Ruxx - honestly I don't mind his recent posting I just don't want to be wrong lol I've been on the toilet for like 15 mins doing this post so i should go back to work On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul | ||
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darthfoley
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote: Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Weird that he wants to vote Koshi while also scumreading annul for his commitment to the Koshi push. On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. On June 16 2017 07:55 Grackaroni wrote: I don't have much to say beyond what I've said decently in my filter. Annul seems like a better lynch than Xatalos to me. HF push on SL seems a lot more agenda driven than HF believing he has a bulletproof case. There's really only that one previous line I quoted as to why he thinks annul is a better lynch than Xatalos. Very weak defense right here. This is basically his entire filter btw. Super lackluster Rels: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2017 08:51 Rels wrote: My thoughts catching up. Will vote marv tomorrow if he still haven't posted. Otherwise ruxxar or Eversince. ruxxar: - "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it. - buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible. Skynx: - good first post on ruxxar's post where he said "I liked it". Koshi: - didn't understand Skynx' post on ruxxar when it was the best post in the thread yet. Uncharacteristic. Bad. - called rayn's attack on bad disfo a defense. Bad. - good post on BTBT being bad - a Koshi town post "mm Vivax might be mafia" out of nowhere - p35. Lock town. disfo: - pretty gullible. That's scummy. Bought SL's red check. - had a throwaway read on Koshi, HF picked it up, and he had a weird reason to vote Koshi. Weird stuff all around. rayn: - picked up that above stuff on disfo. Good. Vivax: - entered the thread liking Skynx' post. Good. - liking the annul's post I liked. Good. BTDT: - called Koshi town for no reason - turned around on voting Koshi when he decided HF was serious on Koshi - townie posts though (p 21) annul: - calling the HF vs Koshi as it is pretty likely to be (HF screwing around) => good DF: - also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI. - nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic. Damdred: - weird that he starts playing calling some people scummy, when usually he's super unsure D1 and tries to build a "no-lynch" list rather than the opposite. - though he's thinking about the game as a whole. Having a "rayn scum means Koshi no scum" mindset. Even though that mindset is bad, especially D1, it's townie. FF: - liking the question to ruxxar. Is evolving his read based on what's happening. Doubting too, then getting back to it. Eversince: - answering FF's questions about what are the things against rayn, then saying she doesn't see the things against rayn. Weird. Maybe scum and entered the thread with an answer to FF to have an easy good looking first post. Grack: - weird, against sentiment reads, but I can follow them. Good. Xata: - good post on ruxxar. rayn: - LOL butthurt defense in his huge post when it was 100% uneeded, just for the ego. Pretty likely town. So here, annul is good = town. Xata is also good = town. But he likes my case on Xata and calls it convincing. On June 16 2017 07:05 Rels wrote: I don't think Xata is scum. I can follow his logic in his filter. Uhh... okay. Never explains this. This feels like a little TMI from Rels. I don't think Xata was "assuming" annul was town, but I could be wrong. These posts actually make Rels look much better, I think. On June 16 2017 07:16 Rels wrote: and WTF annul if you're scumreading SL way more than Xata why did you vote Xata instead of SL ? When voting SL then: would have put SL over you ? On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote: Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL. EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely On June 16 2017 07:38 Rels wrote: No the math fucking doesn't. YES you're one vote less with the switch compared to the main wagon. BUT NOW INSTEAD OF LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD IF THERE ARE NO OTHER VOTES YOU RE LYNCHING YOUR TOWNREAD. Without switch: Xatalos (5): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul annul (4): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xata sicklucker (3): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax With switch: sicklucker (5): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax, Xata, annul Xatalos (4): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation annul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast I still don't like how Rels discussed annul/Xata early game, and that much of his vote on annul came EoD rather than for reasons earlier. But the logic is sound and much better than Grack's. Rels could still be scum, but he hid his tracks pretty well through the vote | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On June 19 2017 22:29 disformation wrote: fefe actually has a bunch of interactions with annul and a decent scumread on him. this post says yolo, but he has a lot of interactions/posts with/about annul prior to that. e.g.: Look at it collectively as a progression though. After its proved annul is town and xatalos is likely mafia, he still has this same read of ruxxar mafia. its what happens when you dont want to get on too many people's bad sides and you start stagnating your reads as mafia. Not to mention that first read part looks like a textbook mafia list, 1 town, 1 bus, 1 inactive. If fecalfeast is mafia I wouldnt be surprised if grack is too | ||
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disformation
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es is actually somewhat null, because it is nigh impossible to tell if she just had no clue or was voting town to secure scum rb xata living for the night. grack just looks bleh. so he looks very much like xata. | ||
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darthfoley
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I mean, maybe annul voting SL would have changed things. But people were already speculating annul+Xata both scum, so him moving to SL would further perpetuate that idea. So town!annul votes Xata thinking that 1) it's more likely to actually save him than moving to SL, and 2) it defends against the idea that Xata/annul are on scum team together. | ||
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disformation
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so could be an easy dismissal of the scum mate's wagon and straight onto the first remotely scummy thing he sees. | ||
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darthfoley
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17 people left in the game, probably 12 or 13v4 depending if there's 3p. Scum get 2 kp tonight, and there might be 3p KP. So hopefully medic/jk/whatever can save someone. At least we have 2 checks after tonight without a roleblock Theres probably 3 or 4 town roles. Hopefully they don't get shot tonight. I would hate to die before revealing all that I know | ||
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disformation
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wish those ppl could be arsed to play a bit more actively. might even be like a scum strat to force us to basically go for like a 50/50 chance by lynching into those ppl. -.- | ||
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Chezitwo
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On June 19 2017 22:32 darthfoley wrote: Grack on annul/Xata: + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote: Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Weird that he wants to vote Koshi while also scumreading annul for his commitment to the Koshi push. On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. On June 16 2017 07:55 Grackaroni wrote: I don't have much to say beyond what I've said decently in my filter. Annul seems like a better lynch than Xatalos to me. HF push on SL seems a lot more agenda driven than HF believing he has a bulletproof case. There's really only that one previous line I quoted as to why he thinks annul is a better lynch than Xatalos. Very weak defense right here. This is basically his entire filter btw. Super lackluster Rels: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2017 08:51 Rels wrote: My thoughts catching up. Will vote marv tomorrow if he still haven't posted. Otherwise ruxxar or Eversince. ruxxar: - "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it. - buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible. Skynx: - good first post on ruxxar's post where he said "I liked it". Koshi: - didn't understand Skynx' post on ruxxar when it was the best post in the thread yet. Uncharacteristic. Bad. - called rayn's attack on bad disfo a defense. Bad. - good post on BTBT being bad - a Koshi town post "mm Vivax might be mafia" out of nowhere - p35. Lock town. disfo: - pretty gullible. That's scummy. Bought SL's red check. - had a throwaway read on Koshi, HF picked it up, and he had a weird reason to vote Koshi. Weird stuff all around. rayn: - picked up that above stuff on disfo. Good. Vivax: - entered the thread liking Skynx' post. Good. - liking the annul's post I liked. Good. BTDT: - called Koshi town for no reason - turned around on voting Koshi when he decided HF was serious on Koshi - townie posts though (p 21) annul: - calling the HF vs Koshi as it is pretty likely to be (HF screwing around) => good DF: - also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI. - nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic. Damdred: - weird that he starts playing calling some people scummy, when usually he's super unsure D1 and tries to build a "no-lynch" list rather than the opposite. - though he's thinking about the game as a whole. Having a "rayn scum means Koshi no scum" mindset. Even though that mindset is bad, especially D1, it's townie. FF: - liking the question to ruxxar. Is evolving his read based on what's happening. Doubting too, then getting back to it. Eversince: - answering FF's questions about what are the things against rayn, then saying she doesn't see the things against rayn. Weird. Maybe scum and entered the thread with an answer to FF to have an easy good looking first post. Grack: - weird, against sentiment reads, but I can follow them. Good. Xata: - good post on ruxxar. rayn: - LOL butthurt defense in his huge post when it was 100% uneeded, just for the ego. Pretty likely town. So here, annul is good = town. Xata is also good = town. But he likes my case on Xata and calls it convincing. On June 16 2017 07:05 Rels wrote: I don't think Xata is scum. I can follow his logic in his filter. Uhh... okay. Never explains this. This feels like a little TMI from Rels. I don't think Xata was "assuming" annul was town, but I could be wrong. These posts actually make Rels look much better, I think. On June 16 2017 07:16 Rels wrote: and WTF annul if you're scumreading SL way more than Xata why did you vote Xata instead of SL ? When voting SL then: would have put SL over you ? On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote: Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL. EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely On June 16 2017 07:38 Rels wrote: No the math fucking doesn't. YES you're one vote less with the switch compared to the main wagon. BUT NOW INSTEAD OF LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD IF THERE ARE NO OTHER VOTES YOU RE LYNCHING YOUR TOWNREAD. Without switch: Xatalos (5): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul annul (4): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xata sicklucker (3): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax With switch: sicklucker (5): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax, Xata, annul Xatalos (4): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation annul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast I still don't like how Rels discussed annul/Xata early game, and that much of his vote on annul came EoD rather than for reasons earlier. But the logic is sound and much better than Grack's. Rels could still be scum, but he hid his tracks pretty well through the vote The thing is: I read EOD1 - annul was fighting for his life and pretty obvious town in the end. I think both Grack and Rels should be smart enough to see that as town. Rels should also see that self preservation is not scummy in the slightest. He is way overblowing the supposed inconsistency he found in annuls logic. Very convenient thing to push if your roleblocker is on the chopping block. | ||
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darthfoley
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On June 19 2017 22:41 disformation wrote: yeah rels jumped at annul very hard for that. so could be an easy dismissal of the scum mate's wagon and straight onto the first remotely scummy thing he sees. Yea, it seems like it could be a wily veteran move. He jumped super hard on him for that. | ||
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