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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 18 2017 12:07 GMT
#2601
Is that really a dumbtell by SL?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 18 2017 12:20 GMT
#2602
On June 18 2017 21:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 20:46 ruXxar wrote:
I must admit I haven't done a thorough analysis on ES.
I will withhold my judgement on her until I've read her filter.


That's the point.

Everything anyone says today about Xatalos is Wifom.

No matter if btdt, or Eversince.

And you are trying to read them both for wifom.


Well, I could've just refused to participate this whole cycle, but where is the fun in that...
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
June 18 2017 12:39 GMT
#2603
Since you seem bored.

Can you explain why you think Grack is mafia?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:16 GMT
#2604
who is chezitwo anyway ive seen that smurf before. Im still gonna lynch him because thats what i think about marvs commitment to the mafia alignment. but its nice to know
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
June 18 2017 13:18 GMT
#2605
On June 18 2017 22:16 sicklucker wrote:
who is chezitwo anyway ive seen that smurf before. Im still gonna lynch him because thats what i think about marvs commitment to the mafia alignment. but its nice to know


Well, ACTUALLY.

What would you think of a post like yours when you replace in and are town?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:21 GMT
#2606
On June 18 2017 08:05 darthfoley wrote:
I just can't believe cop!Xata doesn't claim anytime yesterday. He didn't even put up a fight in the showdown. Someone please tell me of a cop who 1) didn't claim in a heated 1v1 AND 2) didn't fight like hell to survive the 1v1.

If Xatalos had done #2 without #1, I could see his play. But doing neither and then claiming cop with a red check on disformation right after a few of us say disformation is spewed town by mafia!Xatalos is pretty rich

ya df;s logic is solid again. I think hes town but that ones almost borderline on tmi but ill let it go. Infact im pretty convince xata will flip scum after thinking of that I dont mind giving my read list now to pass the time and prepare for my coming battles
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:22 GMT
#2607
On June 18 2017 22:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 22:16 sicklucker wrote:
who is chezitwo anyway ive seen that smurf before. Im still gonna lynch him because thats what i think about marvs commitment to the mafia alignment. but its nice to know


Well, ACTUALLY.

What would you think of a post like yours when you replace in and are town?


if I knew marvs meta I would be annoyed but I would have replaced into marvs slot and would expect it
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:23 GMT
#2608
On June 18 2017 18:12 Skynx wrote:
Ruxxar moved up to my town, nice work bro.
btdt is a walking time bomb i dunno whats his gameplan.


Now kills are interesting, i was kinda sure HF was the mafia on xata train but now that both him and Koshi are dead maybe disfo makes sense. They were quite keen on disfo switching votes all of a sudden just sheeping the two cases. I'm also vt so if that helps deciding on disfo. Redcheck just might be a bait, very few were suspecting disfo on eod.

Other impression is Palmar being this uninterested in the game as either alignment just doesn't check out, pretty sure he's the 3P.

Kinda need to narrow down possible mafia list tonight, so many people with shitty reasonings voted annul.

I'm also on airport wifi and super hangover, evening i'll pick up the game.


palmar doesint really play on weekends. I think hes still slightly more likely to be town then anything else. of course he needs to step it up
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 18 2017 13:24 GMT
#2609
On June 18 2017 21:39 Vivax wrote:
Since you seem bored.

Can you explain why you think Grack is mafia?


Sure!

Let's start with the obvious:

1) He hammers the town lynch.

On June 16 2017 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
##Vote: Annul


At the point of this vote, the votes are 5 on annul, 5 on xatalos.
Grackaroni pushes it over the edge with this vote to 6-5 in favor of annul.

2) He doesn't try to solve the game.

How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see:

DF:

On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


Look at me as much as you like, but why?

I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.


Disfo:

On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch.


HF:

On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.

I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it.


On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.

i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.

Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.

It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.

I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.


"I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance.
So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope.
Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope.

It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in".
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 18 2017 13:25 GMT
#2610
On June 18 2017 22:21 sicklucker wrote:
On June 18 2017 08:05 darthfoley wrote:
I just can't believe cop!Xata doesn't claim anytime yesterday. He didn't even put up a fight in the showdown. Someone please tell me of a cop who 1) didn't claim in a heated 1v1 AND 2) didn't fight like hell to survive the 1v1.

If Xatalos had done #2 without #1, I could see his play. But doing neither and then claiming cop with a red check on disformation right after a few of us say disformation is spewed town by mafia!Xatalos is pretty rich

ya df;s logic is solid again. I think hes town but that ones almost borderline on tmi but ill let it go. Infact im pretty convince xata will flip scum after thinking of that I dont mind giving my read list now to pass the time and prepare for my coming battles

uh dude?
On June 18 2017 18:54 Xatalos wrote:
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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 18 2017 13:31 GMT
#2611
I love baby seals. Thats so cute!
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:34 GMT
#2612
On June 18 2017 18:18 Vivax wrote:
If Xata flips indeed scum.

Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Vote Count - Day 1


annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar , Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince
Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare


I'm believing it's really simple and this is mafia.



i think your right about the logic wrong about the people. but ill get to that in a second.

Heres the vote count when I started the annul train. Notice xata is not really at a very high risk of being lynched at this time. The argument that I am mafia for pushing a wagon to save him is false as koshi was the leading wagon at the time and he flipped town. If I was truly mafia trying to save xata why do I not vote koshi. Why do I start a completely new wagon instead of joining one that is already started and has commited votes? Why do I take the longest road to complete my task.

No I am just a town that thought I found mafia. In a close vote between my target and a mafia many mafia saw the opportunity to save there team mate but it was not the people who started the wagon it was the people at the end of it.

On June 16 2017 02:09 Half the Sky wrote:
Vote Count - Day 1


Koshi (5): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivax
ruXxar (3): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax
Xatalos (3): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx
raynpelikoneet (1): Xatalos, sicklucker, Tumblewood
marvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood
sicklucker (1): Palmar
Palmar (0): Koshi, Skynx
beentheredonethat (0): Koshi
Eversince (0): sicklucker

Not voted (8): Rels, Damdred, VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince

Half the Sky is getting ready to throw Koshi out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.




these guys are more likely the mafia this is the correct way to use vote logic my friend

On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Vote Count - Day 1


annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, , rels, grackoni,, eversince ,
Xatalos (6):
darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare
sicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax
Koshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivax
marvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood
Skynx (1): VayneAuthority
ruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annul
Tumblewood (0): ruXxar
Palmar (0): sicklucker
raynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, Tumblewood
Palmar (0): Koshi, Skynx
beentheredonethat (0): Koshi
Eversince (0): sicklucker

Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity

Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.



I doubt its all four but those four have the highest percentage to be mafia in the game not me.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:35 GMT
#2613
Vivax you can be a smart cookie I highly suggest you read my huge post rexxar you too. I want to win this game
k thx
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 18 2017 13:36 GMT
#2614
@SL.

On June 18 2017 09:41 sicklucker wrote:
and I still cant believe mafia killed hf last night. thanks for that


On June 18 2017 09:52 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 09:41 sicklucker wrote:
and I still cant believe mafia killed hf last night. thanks for that


Your vigi shot got wasted together with mafia nk on HF huh?


On June 18 2017 10:01 sicklucker wrote:
=]


On June 18 2017 10:02 sicklucker wrote:
well if I were the vigi i wouldnt know that fool.i could think mafia has 1kp


Please explain what you mean by this. I can hardly understand what this sentence even means.
How could you think that mafia has 1kp.

Your thought process isn't clear to me.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:39 GMT
#2615
Outside of the list I would say rayn is the mafia. of course if hes town he should die to the nk tonight bases on trends. so that should be revealed tomorrow. hell maybe mafia will be smart and nk me instead
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:42 GMT
#2616
Its really not worth the braincells ruxxar I would normally ignore that. but since you think im mafia for ignoring stupid pointless questions ill oblige.

Lets say im the vig and I dont know how much kp mafia has ( I didnt I never read op's) Then if I shoot holyflare how do I know mafia shot him? Would I not think it was more likely I shot him and mafia only had 1kp or a medic save?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 18 2017 13:42 GMT
#2617
On June 18 2017 22:35 sicklucker wrote:
Vivax you can be a smart cookie I highly suggest you read my huge post rexxar you too. I want to win this game
k thx


So you finally came to the same conclusion as we all did ages ago. Well, better late than never.
Your point on koshi vs annul is duly noted though.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:42 GMT
#2618
im not a vig...
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:43 GMT
#2619
On June 18 2017 22:42 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 22:35 sicklucker wrote:
Vivax you can be a smart cookie I highly suggest you read my huge post rexxar you too. I want to win this game
k thx


So you finally came to the same conclusion as we all did ages ago. Well, better late than never.
Your point on koshi vs annul is duly noted though.


yes its a very good point
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 18 2017 13:44 GMT
#2620
especially since mafia clearly respects koshis game and nked him. Why would I as mafia not kill him instead of doing an insane amount of lobbying to lynch probably one of the least experienced towns in the game
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