Anyways at least we have an easy mislynch out of the way early and all blues still in action... Unless it's the all vanilla setup.
And maybe some more information based on the flip / EOD events.
I'm still intrigued by the rayn/Tumble scumteam theory, but it's much too early to speculate about that. Would be nice to check/shoot/lynch one of them sooner rather than later though.
Although rayn is now Tumble's top scumread, so it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. Did the read change significantly with Malongo's flip, Tumble?
On March 19 2017 08:05 Damdred wrote: You always got for your scum read no matter how useful they are as town.
Who disagrees with this statement?
I guess it depends on the strength of your reads though.
Like if we look at statistics, I think Malongo had coin-flippy odds of being scum. Both Tumble and rayn a bit higher than that. But both Tumble and rayn could potentially be blues (unlike Malongo), and they were doing more in the thread than Malongo, so I could tolerate Malongo especially over Damdred, who I think had less than coin-flip chances of being scum and was also doing some things / could be blue.
On March 19 2017 06:55 Damdred wrote: Just gut feeling by tumble I having a really strange eod here.
Sorta pushing off mal while saying he will be ok with lynching him but having him high in his town list while saying he's a plynch now.
Then want I to make the vote me v rayn. Makes no sense.
Show weird eod
Anyway...
Tweedledumb, pls explain yourself here, thx.
lynch probable but afk town on a bad wagon (rock) | me | lynch iffy but better town on a shenanigan (hard place) and I kept changing my mind and eventually I kept my vote in the hard place
Right.
Would you kindly go into more detail on your Raynpelikoneet scum-read then? Would like to know more about this conflict of yours.
rayn more or less spawned a wagon on malongo that picked up a lot of steam despite rayn himself not being on it and there being no convincing case. I mean, the guy had 10 posts to work with, none of which were egregiously bad. vote logic points to rayn and two others on the wagon (I suspect koshi/damdred but it is no sure thing). rayn was obviously waaaay overconfident on his scumreads. more so than I believe he would be as town. BUT the wagon on him would inevitably be a shenanny in an afk thread, and he was by far a more active and potentially useful (if town) player than malongo. losing him as town would fuck us over way more. [in retrospect, the wagon would have had to be composed of people who I trust, so I overblew that concern.]
this is why the choice was difficult the end
Like if you had rayn as scum-lean/even strongish scum, why be so careful about him being town?
I guess that's somewhat plausible. At least we have a long time to figure things out until D2 EOD now and with more information as well so the situation is far from bad.
On March 20 2017 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos is also mafia because not wanting to lynch me despite wanting to lynch me. If he was town and actually thought i was mafia he would have tried to actually lynch me. So there is that too.
Nothing new to say about Damdred.
There wasn't a large difference in my urge to lynch either you or Malongo. Not going to put everything on the line for a riskier play without significant added chances of hitting scum (and possibly hitting a blue / potentially useful player - that means you).
If we're talking about hypocrisy, you'd be a better example of that since you didn't really seem to mind Malongo being lynched even though Damdred was apparently your top scum..
On March 20 2017 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos is also mafia because not wanting to lynch me despite wanting to lynch me. If he was town and actually thought i was mafia he would have tried to actually lynch me. So there is that too.
Nothing new to say about Damdred.
There wasn't a large difference in my urge to lynch either you or Malongo. Not going to put everything on the line for a riskier play without significant added chances of hitting scum (and possibly hitting a blue / potentially useful player - that means you).
If we're talking about hypocrisy, you'd be a better example of that since you didn't really seem to mind Malongo being lynched even though Damdred was apparently your top scum..
See i am not calling people mafia for "hypocrisy". You were literally okay for switching into me or Tumble and then you said "even if Malongo is town rayn and Tumble are likely to be mafia" so in your mind you SHOULD think me and Tumble are both more likely to be mafia than Malongo is.
Yeah, a bit. But it wasn't a large difference. Malongo was a decent lynch anyway. On the other hand, you said multiple times that Damdred was sure scum, but didn't do much to get him lynched (outside repeating the stupid argument from his opening post a couple of times).
On March 20 2017 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos is also mafia because not wanting to lynch me despite wanting to lynch me. If he was town and actually thought i was mafia he would have tried to actually lynch me. So there is that too.
Nothing new to say about Damdred.
There wasn't a large difference in my urge to lynch either you or Malongo. Not going to put everything on the line for a riskier play without significant added chances of hitting scum (and possibly hitting a blue / potentially useful player - that means you).
If we're talking about hypocrisy, you'd be a better example of that since you didn't really seem to mind Malongo being lynched even though Damdred was apparently your top scum..
See i am not calling people mafia for "hypocrisy". You were literally okay for switching into me or Tumble and then you said "even if Malongo is town rayn and Tumble are likely to be mafia" so in your mind you SHOULD think me and Tumble are both more likely to be mafia than Malongo is.
Yeah, a bit. But it wasn't a large difference. Malongo was a decent lynch anyway. On the other hand, you said multiple times that Damdred was sure scum, but didn't do much to get him lynched (outside repeating the stupid argument from his opening post a couple of times).
So you were doing the same thing you're calling me scum for?
Yeah i was always okay with Malongo lynch.
I wasn't calling you scum for not fighting against Malongo being lynched. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling me scum for something you did yourself.
On March 20 2017 03:28 ritoky wrote: hmmmm i clicked xata's filter and maybe i mixed him with sum1. i just woke up. i thought he was the super agreeable dude.
On March 20 2017 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i think it's pretty easy to tell from my posts which lynches am i okay with and which not. If there are two people who are almost definitely scum in my mind i couldn't care less which one is lynched.
You on the other hand had me/tumble/malongo, and just sat on the malongo wagon while silently implying you would be okay with other things too when it was fucking impossible even 2 out of those three are mafia together in the first place.
I did switch to you at EOD though, and if someone else switched you would have been lynched instead. Alas, nobody switched, and I wasn't confident enough to push people further to vote for you. Malongo was OK, almost as good chances as you in my eyes - and you would have been a bigger loss if I was wrong.
Meanwhile you call me scum for not fighting to save Malongo when you had pretty much the same attitude to him as I did... Although you had a bit stronger feelings of him being scum, you also had similarly stronger feelings of Damdred being scum than I had of you/Tumble. So in the end, you're just calling me scum for doing almost exactly the same thing as you.
On March 20 2017 03:33 Damdred wrote: For clarification data did switch to you to start shenanigans or try to but then switched back when nobody would move.
So he halfway attempted to get you lynched rayn
That's fucking bullshit. He hadd this "idea" in his head for fucking hours and he tries to do something like this in the last fucking 15 minutes?!?!!?!?
Do you wanna guess what happens if he really tries to lynch me and i get lynched?
Do you wanna guess in which "position" he puts himself if Malongo gets lynched and flips town?
Talking about scum agenda right here... I totally forgot Tumble didn't want to switch to me so Tumble is 100000% town and Xata is now pushing two townies and has for the whole game.
What are you even talking about? Tumble was on you all the time................
On March 20 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote: Meanwhile you call me scum for not fighting to save Malongo when you had pretty much the same attitude to him as I did... Although you had a bit stronger feelings of him being scum, you also had similarly stronger feelings of Damdred being scum than I had of you/Tumble. So in the end, you're just calling me scum for doing almost exactly the same thing as you.
If you can't understand the difference between: - "I have 2 very sure scumreads and both of them are leading wagons" - "I have 3 scumreads which cannot be scum together in the first place and i don't fight against the lynch of the one i actually don't really think i scum"
..then i don't know what to say.
I didn't have a confident scumread on any of you three. Malongo was a bit behind both of you, but it wasn't by much. And how couldn't he be scum with either of you?
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