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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 29 2017 18:41 GMT
#3382
I just can't see town Koshi. Maybe, maybe if he like came to the thread 5min before deadline and went full YOLO from there... But he came back about 1 second before deadline, just ninjavoted Tumble dead and left the thread again. That's only explainable if he was lurking the thread all that time and waiting his chance to act.

So down goes Koshi.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 29 2017 18:44 GMT
#3383
Then we can think about disfo/AMG/Damdred. Tbh I'm not still 100% sure it's disfo, but everything kind of points to that from Koshi's actions to POE.

1) Koshi's actions - he went hard after AMG last day, kind of pushed Damdred too and only "stabbed" disfo without reasoning when it looked like disfo was doomed - but then he came back anyway and saved disfo when there was a chance - all I can think of is that disfo was the Roleblocker and was needed to deal with rayn last night - I guess we'll see about that after Koshi's flip

2) POE - kind of related to Koshi's actions, but Koshi makes by far the most sense as scum with disfo based on yesterday, and even before that, Damdred doesn't make much sense as scum with Eden
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 29 2017 18:47 GMT
#3384
So if I had to bet 1000$, I'd say the last scum is disfo ten times out of ten.

Otherwise maybe AMG, but... Last day was pretty odd if Koshi's master plan as scum with AMG was to simply push AMG with all his might, and almost succeeding, until rayn counter-pushed strongly away from AMG.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 29 2017 19:05 GMT
#3385
Also, if Koshi flips GF, then disfo is even more likely scum. If Koshi is RB, then a bit less likely.

(Because GF is really useless at this point whereas RB is/was crucial vs rayn)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 29 2017 19:07 GMT
#3386
Although, naturally, the GF would still be useful vs rayn in the sense that he could carry the KP while RB blocks rayn. That way rayn can never block the KP.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 29 2017 21:58 GMT
#3388
On March 30 2017 06:56 Damdred wrote:
Just a super weird set of kills n1 with koshi in the team.

The calix kill seems to be she was suspicious of koshi+General townreads.

Also strange no block on rayn n2.

Ritoky did have disf in his scum list though.

Calif hard town xata.

Not to much to go on in that regard.

The thing I hate most about the game is I am going to have to read xata and disf filter tommorow.


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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 29 2017 21:59 GMT
#3389
Yeah, a somewhat weird game overall, but I'd be really surprised if it was anything but Koshi+disfo at this point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 30 2017 13:00 GMT
#3392
Simply the best way to scumclaim
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 30 2017 16:21 GMT
#3395
Otherwise I might well consider the theory of disf being "framed" by Koshi, but... Hm. Both Damdred/AMG have basically been cleared by Eden/Koshi to a major extent already. Whereas disfo fits well with Koshi/Eden. So...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 30 2017 21:49 GMT
#3399
Hm ok... So he was the RB after all. Makes it slightly possible that disfo could be town, but I still don't really see it...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 04:11 GMT
#3402
Last will: ##Vote disformation

+ Show Spoiler +
If there's some dramatic change, then reconsider of course. So far disfo has only looked worse after Tumblr's flip though...!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 04:15 GMT
#3403
On March 31 2017 06:56 Damdred wrote:
I just don't get the play ya know? Tumble wasn't living the game out and koshi would have a better shot winning than disf.


I guess disfo's flip would have given us an additional mislynch though, and (semi)cleared Tumble.. It would have been very difficult for Koshi to survive from there.

Not to mention that rayn could have possibly just RB'd him, blocking his KP..

And it's always psychologically more difficult to play "alone" as scum IMO
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 09:03 GMT
#3406
It'd be bad for scum no matter what Koshi did really. Maybe that's why Koshi/disfo have been so quiet afterwards. Town disfo should have done something of merit to win for the town at least, but there's been nothing...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 12:20 GMT
#3408
If you are town, disfo, then please find the remaining scum. From my perspective you're the obvious choice, but if you actually are town, then you should be able to see a very different picture, and it could well make the difference between town win/loss.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 20:55 GMT
#3429
That's a weird kill... I was almost completely sure it was going to be me or, perhaps, Damdred.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 20:57 GMT
#3430
On the other hand, it makes perfect sense with disfo being the scum. Considering that AMG was going to auto-lynch disfo, and Damdred was being more unsure, and disfo apparently wants to lynch me...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 20:57 GMT
#3431
Would have been pretty awkward to kill me after all that effort :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 21:00 GMT
#3432
The good news is that this basically clears everything up. It's 99.99% disfo now since Damdred was always the less likely scum out of AMG/Damdred.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 21:01 GMT
#3433
##vote disformation
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 21:05 GMT
#3435
On April 01 2017 03:51 disformation wrote:
d2 votes indicate xata making perfect sense as scum.


I was in very real danger of being lynched though. I certainly wouldn't allow my scumteam to force a me vs Eden situation on D2, especially since Eden was barely even playing and a Goon. I would have most likely totally bussed Eden with the whole team or maybe, maybe tried to get a townie lynched.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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