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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 16:26 GMT
#1532
On March 19 2017 04:20 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 04:17 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 04:13 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else feel like Calix is completely hands-off today, letting the winds of the lynch wagons take her wherever they end up going?

Because I do!


lol wtf, DF. I'm voting for the person I think is the best lynch today.

He is still the leading train by two votes.

What exactly am I meant to be 'doing' here that I am not already doing?


I just feel like you're acting like a mediator rather than trying to play the game. Strikes me as lazier than I would expect from you.

I have my reasons for voting for Malongo but i'm still interacting with various people in the game in confrontational ways. Feels like you're coasting. Although tbf that could be lazy town or lazy mafia



On March 20 2017 06:53 darthfoley wrote:
I tend to agree with the consensus that's eden's play so far is weird and disconnected to everything relevant. It's also scummy (but maybe irl happens) that Eden only comes in when there seems to be low activity or only a few posters around.


A bit too much hedging and "neat"/careful stances from foley to my taste actually. Like these posts for example, but there were more. Just like how I make my reads as scum
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 16:33 GMT
#1533
Koshi is just solid, helpful and decisive. Nothing stands out as possibly scummy in his filter.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 16:36 GMT
#1534
I fall deeper into confusion every time I read through disformation. I'll put him as a "WTF? / wait and see" read.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 16:45 GMT
#1536
Tumble is bit of WTF as well. Feels more genuine and spontaneous with his WTFness though. With disfo it's more of a "crafted" WTFness... Tumble just feels like he says whatever he thought a second ago.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 16:46 GMT
#1537
On March 21 2017 01:37 Calix wrote:
God damn, how are you reading through these filters so fast??


Not reading every post carefully. Reading all one-liners and interesting bigger posts, just skimming big posts that seem unimportant.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 16:49 GMT
#1539
On March 21 2017 01:46 disformation wrote:
solatax the amnesiac simply chooses to forget unimportant details like his own name in order to create the capacity to read filters faster.

this amazing post was brought to you by noitamrofsid missing his sub


roflmao
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 16:58 GMT
#1543
On March 21 2017 01:51 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 01:45 Xatalos wrote:
Tumble is bit of WTF as well. Feels more genuine and spontaneous with his WTFness though. With disfo it's more of a "crafted" WTFness... Tumble just feels like he says whatever he thought a second ago.


The sudden RP wasn't a tip-off as to something being up? P:

I mean, I'd like more elaboration here since you thought scumformation was townie at least partly for his weird RP a while back.

What changed?


Not sure I understand your question. My read on disfo didn't really change significantly after reading his filter. I just compared him to Tumble and Tumble's WTF antics felt more natural, so I'd put him a bit above disfo in towny rankings.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:07 GMT
#1545
I went through Eden's filter a couple of times (since it was so short) and it felt worse every time.

His last post was just not from a town mindset at all. It focused fully on pushing blame around, despite not doing anything to help the result himself, and defending his own earlier actions from future accusations.

And the rest of his filter is kind of the same way, just to a lesser extent. There's nothing there except pushing Calix (actually I thought his case wasn't terrible at the time, but he basically stuck with it even though Calix kept getting consistently townier and townier and didn't do anything else meaningful). The rest is a lot of words without meaning.

And he basically hasn't done anything after around halfway D1....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:17 GMT
#1546
Calix, why was DF town in your opinion? I forgot.

Because the result of my filter-diving was basically this...

Strong town:

Calix
Damdred
Koshi

WTF? / wait and see:

rayn
Tumble
disfo
AMG
Onegu

Probably scum:

DF
Eden

DF's posts just felt the most slippery and scum-style, hedging / crafted / careful opinions, not spontaneous and natural.

I'm 99,99% sure that Calix/Damdred/Koshi are all town. Any of the WTF reads could be scum, Tumble and rayn seem a bit unlikely at the moment. DF and Eden are probably both scum through POE and having the worst filters out of them all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:24 GMT
#1548
Some examples of DF's posts that made me triggered:

On March 18 2017 05:13 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 05:02 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:01 darthfoley wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden

I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.

Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi.
Top scum is Calix.

Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.

I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.

1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read
2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads
3) "look how much work i already did"

if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place


I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.

That's about all I got that I think matters right now.


Cool. I think you're town

Hell yeah. You're gonna vote Calix with me then right?


I find it definitely a possibility atm. I haven't never understood why she was hard TR so early. Especially from someone like Tumblewood, I found it a bit odd.

I'm comfortable with Malongo at the moment, but there is plenty of time for me to reevaluate it. I don't think he's a slam dunk like rayn seems to, but until he steps up his game and provides more i'm gucci.


On March 19 2017 04:20 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 04:17 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 04:13 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else feel like Calix is completely hands-off today, letting the winds of the lynch wagons take her wherever they end up going?

Because I do!


lol wtf, DF. I'm voting for the person I think is the best lynch today.

He is still the leading train by two votes.

What exactly am I meant to be 'doing' here that I am not already doing?


I just feel like you're acting like a mediator rather than trying to play the game. Strikes me as lazier than I would expect from you.

I have my reasons for voting for Malongo but i'm still interacting with various people in the game in confrontational ways. Feels like you're coasting. Although tbf that could be lazy town or lazy mafia


On March 20 2017 06:12 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 06:06 Koshi wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:04 darthfoley wrote:
On March 20 2017 05:49 Koshi wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:30 darthfoley wrote:
PSA that I hate Rels. That is all.

Anyways, I must say that I've been thoroughly unimpressed by Koshi's effort levels so far. Like I understand D1 being a crap shoot and all, but the D1 play looks super passive. Even know there are plenty of arguments going on between Xata, Calix, rayn, Damdred, Eden etc but Koshi only pops in with a few one liners.

Would like to hear what he makes of all of this stuff

This is a fucking lie. I was only here the first 24h and I did way fucking more than that. Like.. You are taking my 24h filter and then pretend it is all I did for 96 hours.

mafia.


Sorry for claiming you've been passive when you've only been an active contributor for 24 of the 96 hours?

Your use of the word fuck will not sway my opinion my dude

Or should I say: your fucking use of the god damn fucking word fuck won't change my fucking opinion

So in those 24 hours I was a passive contributor? That is your opinion? Yes or No?


Looking back at your filter, passive is too strong of a word. I just feel like outside of the Damdred vs Disformation back and forth that you weren't as pushy or opinionated as I have seen town!koshi act in the past


On March 20 2017 06:53 darthfoley wrote:
I tend to agree with the consensus that's eden's play so far is weird and disconnected to everything relevant. It's also scummy (but maybe irl happens) that Eden only comes in when there seems to be low activity or only a few posters around.


Just too many posts that are cringe-worthily passive and blending in.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:27 GMT
#1550
Worth mentioning also that ritoky went after Eden and DF. Perhaps he was on the right track.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:28 GMT
#1551
On March 21 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:
You know a scum team of say,

AMG/DF/Eden

kinda makes sense...


Why AMG?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:28 GMT
#1552
On March 21 2017 02:06 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 01:58 Xatalos wrote:
On March 21 2017 01:51 Calix wrote:
On March 21 2017 01:45 Xatalos wrote:
Tumble is bit of WTF as well. Feels more genuine and spontaneous with his WTFness though. With disfo it's more of a "crafted" WTFness... Tumble just feels like he says whatever he thought a second ago.


The sudden RP wasn't a tip-off as to something being up? P:

I mean, I'd like more elaboration here since you thought scumformation was townie at least partly for his weird RP a while back.

What changed?


Not sure I understand your question. My read on disfo didn't really change significantly after reading his filter. I just compared him to Tumble and Tumble's WTF antics felt more natural, so I'd put him a bit above disfo in towny rankings.


Oh, I misunderstood you then.

Not gonna lie, I largely have the reads that I do because everyone else looks ten times townier and I don't see any flaws in the current town reads that I have. This is partly why I'm being incredibly lazy because I don't see how half the players in the thread can be mafia this game and the other half of the game aren't prolific posters.

Well, I remember thinking that DF could maybe possibly be mafia but I forget why. So I might filter him later just to be super-duper-double sure

But aside from that, I'm bored, don't feel like constantly arguing with people who I don't really scum-read 'just to be sure' and I probably won't do anything for a while unless my main suspects talk.

So yeah, AFK time for now.


Please do.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:29 GMT
#1553
I really want rayn to be scum though as well. The hopes of that are getting smaller, but what can you do...

If he's town, I guess I can take comfort in the knowledge that he's been totally wrong all game. And using faulty arguments on top of that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:41 GMT
#1555
On March 21 2017 02:34 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 02:28 Xatalos wrote:
On March 21 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:
You know a scum team of say,

AMG/DF/Eden

kinda makes sense...


Why AMG?


Everyone said his post about me was good but most ignored my follow up post how the entirity of the post was misrepresented of the game state.

I find scum do this a lot more when they need reads rather than town who are trying to figure out the game.


rayn did a similar thing when he called me scum for a misrepresentation of how the EOD D1 went down (and it wasn't just me who noticed this back then...)

And he pushed very bad points for you and Malongo as well as myself to be scum...

He's just so scummy, but maybe the reality is that he's having a really bad town game. Dunno.

My dream team is Eden+DF+rayn now... rayn could be ultimately replaced by Onegu/AMG/disfo I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:44 GMT
#1556
Now I promise myself that I'll stop talking about rayn. At least until there's a direct question about him or something.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:48 GMT
#1558
On March 21 2017 02:45 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 02:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 21 2017 02:34 Damdred wrote:
On March 21 2017 02:28 Xatalos wrote:
On March 21 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:
You know a scum team of say,

AMG/DF/Eden

kinda makes sense...


Why AMG?


Everyone said his post about me was good but most ignored my follow up post how the entirity of the post was misrepresented of the game state.

I find scum do this a lot more when they need reads rather than town who are trying to figure out the game.


rayn did a similar thing when he called me scum for a misrepresentation of how the EOD D1 went down (and it wasn't just me who noticed this back then...)

And he pushed very bad points for you and Malongo as well as myself to be scum...

He's just so scummy, but maybe the reality is that he's having a really bad town game. Dunno.

My dream team is Eden+DF+rayn now... rayn could be ultimately replaced by Onegu/AMG/disfo I guess.


Its true i keep forgetting onegu atm, but I dont' think that disf or + Show Spoiler +
(so calix doesn't see}tumble
are probable scum still. Like you are in a tough game, your partner eden is about to go down here. Instead of going after some thread consensus picks (tumble going after disf would be a good example of what if) they are trying to clear some of the people that are under scrutiny.

This is true of both but more so of tumble. Its interesting but I am not sure I would see scum do that at this point. though disf thought process does leave more room for backing out.

And this reasoning is also faulty partially, but poeing yourself isn't exactly a game plan most scum would go for I guess.


What's with the spoiler rofl
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:49 GMT
#1559
Yeah I guess Tumble is kind of OK.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 17:52 GMT
#1561
On March 21 2017 02:49 Damdred wrote:
I'm not going to admit in the open to calix + Show Spoiler +
that tumble
might be town.




I also shouldn't have openly admitted that
+ Show Spoiler +
rayn

might be town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 18:03 GMT
#1564
On March 21 2017 03:01 Calix wrote:
Yo scumformation, how's that lock scum Calix and Koshi possibly scum thing going?

As for the other two chumps, I know that I'm notoriously off with my reads as town but that doesn't mean I'm always wrong


scumformation sounds like some next-level scum tactic...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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