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On March 20 2017 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 22:50 Calix wrote:On March 20 2017 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Calix, i want your opinion on this :
Assume the following scenarios:
1) rayn = mafia, Eden = mafia
2) rayn = mafia, Eden = town
Why does rayn kill ritoky? Why does rayn claim JK? Not the best person to ask since I don't like NKA that much and I'm not good at it but: 1. As part of some weird, TL-tier bussing strategy where you swoop in and take the cred for pushing ritoky's scum-read? 2. Framing? I don't consider these reasons to be particularly strong since I've never seen anyone kill a player to frame someone on this site. And I don't see why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread. It doesn't necessarily 'clear' you by NKA standards alone since there are multiple mafia members left but I do not see why you would have chosen to kill ritoky. See Xatalos, here is a very simple explanation. It took like 5 minutes for Calix to come to an absolutely correct conclusion. Then when you go further, (1) i don't bus and as you said later it doesn't make any sense because this assumes Eden dies 100% and then what... Town has 2 mislynches. Do you think i ever survive the game? "yeah sure the JK is alive for like 100 days after claiming". What a joke strategy. (2) Completely correct here: "why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread". YEAH WHY WOULD I? Furthermore from the vets, ritoky and Damdred townread me, Xatalos and Koshi scumread me. If i am mafia this is always an all vanilla setup. Why do i kill hte fucking dude who defends me EVEN if i call him scum? :D :D :D Yes, wow, very much sense make!! Somehow it took like 10 hours (and half the game telling) Xatalos this is actually a VERY BIG possibility of being the case here. The dude is set on a conclusion and only tries to find evidence to support his conclusion, not looking at the evidence and what it actually means.
Says the guy who had scumread me from the start, always finding another excuse, and never finding anything towny about me... at least I've changed my stance on you as new information came available.
Besides, how do you explain claiming now as Jailkeeper? You've ruined your (most important) role forever, since there is a Roleblocker if you're town. You weren't in any great danger yet at day start. You even claimed to be saving ritoky until I did something, even though you said ritoky kill was "extremely unlikely"....?
In any case, neither of us is getting lynched in the foreseeable future. Probably not the best use of time to continue this argument much further.
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On March 20 2017 23:14 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia: - The whole claim thing as just explained
- Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
- Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
- See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
- Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
- Mrrgrlgrlgllllll !!!!!!!!!
point 5: remember the xata vs me thing early game. it took calix making a case/push on me for xata to vote me. shouldnt town!xata have voted me prior to that, if he felt i was trying to misrepresent him on purprose? also working on more posters and stuff, gimme a bit.
I wasn't sure if you were doing it maliciously or not. Calix's post made me lean over the edge of putting my vote on you, but it was more of a pressure vote than taking you as certai. scum.
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On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia: - The whole claim thing as just explained
- Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
- Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
- See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
- Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
- Mrrgrlgrlgllllll !!!!!!!!!
It's easy. My read on you wasn't very strong at EOD D1. It was much stronger at N1 end / D2 start. Then it weakened again when you claimed. Case solved.
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On March 20 2017 23:20 Calix wrote:
What the fuck did I just read?
Tell me when you figure it out..
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On March 20 2017 23:24 disformation wrote:bestest post i ever made. working on derdmad, the ethereal oak got that started before I saw the current ongoings, so will finish that before reading xata solatax, the rolling thunder
ROFL
Thanks for the name...?
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Rayn, when I really push a case, I'm very confident it's scum -and then I'm mostly right. I won't go full YOLO if I'm unsure.
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Agreed that AMG has seemed OK.
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Disfo, I'd appreciate if you put your stuff in human words. Can't really evaluate that'.
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Sorry Calix. Put my vote on Eden. I kind of think disfo would try to look as "clean" as possible, and/or strongly push an alternative lynch right now as scum. But he's just posting weird gibberish and doing his own thing with a lot of effort. Feels like he deserves more time.
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On March 20 2017 23:51 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, are you always this agreeable? It's pinging me but I don't know if that's just your personality because I remember that you were pretty "go with the flow" in our scum chat as well.
Hmm... you just finished accusing me of disrupting the flow too much? 
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On March 20 2017 23:58 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 23:54 Xatalos wrote:On March 20 2017 23:51 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, are you always this agreeable? It's pinging me but I don't know if that's just your personality because I remember that you were pretty "go with the flow" in our scum chat as well. Hmm... you just finished accusing me of disrupting the flow too much? Much like you did with Skynx?  I mean, you've agreed with a lot of stuff this game so I'd like to know. I also don't get why you're literally apologising for voting for someone else or why disformation's RP and being a nerd makes him town.
Still not sure about disfo, but he's clearly trying to do things, and not in a way that directly makes himself look better (which would be the main scum motivation).
Can't remember the Skynx reference anymore.
In general I haven't played almost at all for the last two years or so? I'd say I'm most proactive as town when I'm the most active poster / "thread leader" regardless of alignment. When the thread is already progressing fine, I become more passive (see the PYP game - I mostly much followed thread sentiment with town rayn/Marv/Palmar leading the discussion). If things are going badly, I often un-lazy myself and push more aggressively. As scum... I'm pretty survival-focused, I think. Often even willing to bus to gain cred. And avoid attention as much as can be done. Take that as you will.
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On March 21 2017 00:55 Tumblewood wrote:
o.O there's an all vanilla setup?
if we assume rayn is jk or mafia in the vanilla setup and nothing else, then there is a 40% chance of jk and a 60% chance of mafia, but it's not worth lynching him because he will inevitably be revealed by LyLo or if we ever feel like outing our other blue
(this is probably not relevant, I am still on page 68)
A bit late to the party
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Hmmm. rayn did go into some pretty stupid town vs town tunnels in the Resistance game as town though... So it's not impossible that's the case here as well.
I guess I'll just ignore him for the time being.
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(at least there he reconsidered from time to time, but oh well...)
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On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote:
Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players.
I thought he looked town tbh.
Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play.
Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel)
Damdred's posts are just overall useful and thoughtful, like this for example. He seems to make some sort of effort to understand the game better every time he posts. Even with our history, I have a very hard time seeing him as scum.
And that says a lot.
Makes rayn's fixation on Damdred all the more odd, but.... erghhh. I already promised myself to avoid rayn.
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On March 21 2017 01:15 disformation wrote:
okay heading home.
am stuck in the middle of sola's filter. with post when I got something conclusive.
@sola: dont post anything interesting before im done with your filter. k thx bye.
Who is sola?
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That post from Damdred makes me feel even better about Calix as well actually. My memory of our game together is hazy, but I think she was pretty careful with her reads there. Here it's more of an open book.
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On March 21 2017 01:18 Koshi wrote:
Sola Tax? The replacement.
rofl, my name backwards?
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Feeling less good about Onegu. It's not hugely difficult as scum to make a sudden spike in thought-provoking posts like he made during N1. The rest of the time.... He didn't really do anything.
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On March 21 2017 01:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 23:29 Xatalos wrote:On March 20 2017 23:24 disformation wrote:On March 20 2017 23:20 Calix wrote:
What the fuck did I just read? bestest post i ever made. working on derdmad, the ethereal oak got that started before I saw the current ongoings, so will finish that before reading xata solatax, the rolling thunder ROFL Thanks for the name...? How short is your memory?
Oh yeah. I was confused because it was Sola Tax. Earlier it was solatax and I only made some sense of it because he said "xata" just before it.
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