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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:15 GMT
#1079
I mean, with scum Tumble and town rayn, it wouldn't make a huge amount of sense to hesitate there. It would be easier / less noticeable to just continue with voting rayn without hesitation.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:16 GMT
#1082
Especially since Malongo was going to flip town and it would look better not to be on that "mess" so to speak.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:19 GMT
#1084
Well, I guess Tumble could deserve a slight pass for tomorrow. rayn, on the other hand, is more questionable. As things stand he seems like the most likely scum to me, and if he is, then Tumble's chances of being scum skyrocket as well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:19 GMT
#1086
On March 20 2017 05:16 Koshi wrote:
K finally home. Somebody catch me up / talk to me.


Opinions on rayn?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:21 GMT
#1090
On March 20 2017 05:20 disformation wrote:
hmmmm. I know I had that problem as scum before. like fear of being on the "wrong" wagon.
but yeah if rayn are town and mal are town I as scum!tw probably wouldnt give a flying fuck?
like if the wagons where close and he had to decide it would make more sense to be nervous then...

still dont fully understand why he posted that though... xD


The only reasons I can see are

1) giving an excuse to himself for possibly voting to save rayn as deadline approaches

OR

2) genuinely being confused and perhaps not being entirely logical
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:23 GMT
#1093
On March 20 2017 05:21 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, just focus on actually getting ONE mafia lynched first pls. Your pre-flips make me relate to baby killers.


:O
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:24 GMT
#1094
On March 20 2017 05:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote:
hi I'm back and I don't have time to catch up by deadline. it looks like everyone's on malongo by now and while I'd like to lynch someone worse I'm not crazy about him
someone who can explain any major new developments to me would be appreciated otherwise I will skim

Can somebody explain to me what this meant?


I think he meant that he's not crazily townreading Malongo anymore. Earlier he was a strong(ish?) townread for him I think.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:28 GMT
#1099
On March 20 2017 05:25 Calix wrote:
And yes, I don't understand how the concept of "townies under pressure are usually not logical" is just clicking with you two now

Anyway, have I made myself clear? I feel dirty from defending someone for so long, ugh.


If you die, I'll promise to let Tumble be for a while

(Of course not counting major new developments)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:30 GMT
#1100
On March 20 2017 05:28 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 19 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote:
On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote:
okay great filter sesh!
where i am at

town, i think
calix
disfo
eden
malongo
dbs
koshi?

needs more examination but their filters were kinda long
rayn
damdred
xata
koshi?

bad
rels
onegu

scummy
df


Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal

willing-ish just then because plynches are never bad but the wagon is so sketchy that I am swinging back to no

I would like to point out you guys aretalking about giving someone a free pass tommorow for being jumpy from one wagon to the next.

Even though he didn't start doing that until he got called out for the shot he was doing with his townread.

LikeI he was doing it before I called him out we would be cool. But he didnt.


hmm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:37 GMT
#1103
Well, I did also come to the conclusion that rayn town / Tumble scum wouldn't make much sense. Scum rayn / scum Tumble would make more sense, but it's still not a sure connection or anything. So at the very least I don't think Tumble should be lynched unless perhaps when rayn flips scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 20:38 GMT
#1105
On March 20 2017 05:37 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Instead of looking into the people who compleined about the votes on Malongo (when noone was doing anything) you should try to look at the people who call me scum for not even voting for Malongo and because i somehow "pushed Malongo to be lynched" (aka Xatalos).

That's some fucking twisted shit right there. Mafia 101 of "how to call someone scum without any reasons at all".

They are not calling you scum for that alone. It's because you don't care who out of Damdred/Malango got lynched and just said: "fuck it, they are both 100% mafia". And you are the only one in the game that feels that.


:D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 21:18 GMT
#1136
On March 20 2017 05:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's like your whole play at the EOD is basically "rayn and Tumble are mafia whatever Malongo's alignment is".

This is probably a misrepresentation.


Kind of. I did think any of rayn/Tumble/Malongo could be scum, but I didn't say they all were or that flips among them wouldn't affect my reads on the rest of them.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 21:20 GMT
#1138
On March 20 2017 06:17 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2017 04:03 Xatalos wrote:
On March 19 2017 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well then i don't have to say anything anymore today.


Did you have something else against Damdred other than that (debatably meaningful) question he asked at game start? Enlighten me.

Normally Damdred has some good reads (or at least really townie thought processes on reads). I don't see any of it here. Like he usually feels happy(?) that he finds townreads and here it's just some random lists of some people and asking if people disagree... It's just... unsmart.

This is a good indicator why rayn is mafia. When he is town and he really found mafia. He keeps repeating his list of why that person is mafia. And when that person shows face aganin, he adds it to the list. But in this game, his list doesn't grow, it just stays the same while his mafia target keeps doing things.


Yeah, he hasn't really added anything after Damdred's opening question thingy.... And with Malongo too, he pretty much just took one post from him and called him scum for that forever.

He did add new things to suspect me for though. But none of his reasons were ever good.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 21:21 GMT
#1139
Notable also that rayn's suspect list stayed the through the whole D1 (me/Damdred/Malongo). Even now it's mostly the same, after Malongo flipped town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 21:22 GMT
#1141
*stayed the same
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 21:23 GMT
#1143
On March 20 2017 06:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 06:18 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 05:46 Koshi wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's like your whole play at the EOD is basically "rayn and Tumble are mafia whatever Malongo's alignment is".

This is probably a misrepresentation.


Kind of. I did think any of rayn/Tumble/Malongo could be scum, but I didn't say they all were or that flips among them wouldn't affect my reads on the rest of them.

No. That is not even what he is saying. rayn is saying that you are using pre flip association on Malongo's allignment to push both rayn and Tumble" or at least that is what that sentence normally is saying.


Hmmmmm.... I don't follow anymore.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 21:25 GMT
#1144
On March 20 2017 06:22 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 06:21 Xatalos wrote:
Notable also that rayn's suspect list stayed the through the whole D1 (me/Damdred/Malongo). Even now it's mostly the same, after Malongo flipped town.


This is actually a good point. And you didn't even need meta for that


rayn is perfectly capable of appearing "townish enough" as scum so I'm just especially careful with him usually. Only after he's done something like pushed a scum to death or such will I be convinced that he's town deep inside (been fooled by him more than a couple of times)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 21:29 GMT
#1150
On March 20 2017 06:26 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 06:23 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On March 20 2017 06:18 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 05:46 Koshi wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's like your whole play at the EOD is basically "rayn and Tumble are mafia whatever Malongo's alignment is".

This is probably a misrepresentation.


Kind of. I did think any of rayn/Tumble/Malongo could be scum, but I didn't say they all were or that flips among them wouldn't affect my reads on the rest of them.

No. That is not even what he is saying. rayn is saying that you are using pre flip association on Malongo's allignment to push both rayn and Tumble" or at least that is what that sentence normally is saying.


Hmmmmm.... I don't follow anymore.

rayn blames you for thinking tumble and him are mafia without linking it to preflip associations....

That is opposite world.

And rayn doesn't make those mistakes as town.

Like.... He is saying it is better for you to have reads based on the alignment of Malongo.


Still not sure if I got your meaning. You mean that it was scummy for him to argue that I should have based my read on rayn/Tumble on Malongo's alignment? Tbh I'm confused. Both by his post and your follow-up :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 21:30 GMT
#1152
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 19 2017 21:41 GMT
#1156
Wait........ what? D2 started? And ritoky was shot?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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