On February 23 2017 00:49 Palmar wrote:
well think about it.

Vivax is a dumbass. That's not gonna change regardless of his alignment, thus him being a dumbass is not relevant to his alignment. He can't just magically become smart when he's mafia or town.

???

Did I do anything to you to talk about me like that? Or are you just acting like an asshole by default?

Back on topic:

I don't see a cop claim, I see Palmar saying he found a picture of rayn near the scene of the crime, followed by rayn thinking he's a cop, followed by Palmar saying

On February 23 2017 20:12 Palmar wrote:
yes, I am

On February 23 2017 20:13 Palmar wrote:
well I wasn't, but then you gave me the idea, so I am.

followed by rayn starting a counter attack on Palmar.

And to me, it looks like rayn is overreacting to the prospect of having been copped when I'm not sure what I should believe Palmar actually is.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 23 2017 18:10 GMT

#545

On February 24 2017 00:56 Palmar wrote:

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lyinpelikoneet!

Cop should always claim day 2 assuming he checked n1, which he should have. There is no point in waiting and risking being shot. Regardless of the check being green or red there is no benefit in waiting.

That's why i claimed and now you die.

Vivax

22374 Posts

February 23 2017 18:10 GMT

#546

To me it looks like Palmar is denying being a cop, and rayn is like "but you are", but why would he think that if he knew that he was town? So I think rayn has got some explaining to do a to why he's so startled by the eventuality that Palmar IS a cop, since from a town rayn perspective, he should always return green to checks.

Vivax

22374 Posts

February 23 2017 18:12 GMT

#547

Yeah ok if Palmar would clear that up for once please. Cause he keeps flip flopping between claiming cop and not claiming cop.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 23 2017 18:13 GMT

#548

On February 24 2017 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On February 24 2017 00:56 Palmar wrote:

On February 24 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On February 24 2017 00:33 Fecalfeast wrote:

Couple questions tho,
You say there's a 0.1% chance palmar is trolling. If the chance is that low why even mention it? Obviously if he's mafia he'll say he was trolling or at least act like it.

If town palmar would lynch you 100% if he thinks you're mafia, what value is there in a mafia palmar not trying to lynch you? Some kind of careless slipup/not thinking like a town?

Because of someone might say "he is trolling". If you continue reading after that you'll know why this isn't an option.

Probably the latter. I don't know for sure, i however do know how he works as town and what he'll do and what not. If you wanna see a similar case go read this (well you probably know this particular scenario since you hosted the game). Same thing there:
- Palmar as town hates D1 claimers (and fakeclaimers - and ALWAYS lynches them) and when he has no good case of his own sheeps a person who he thinks is strong and town.
- Palmar says he wants to sheep me
- Suddenly on D1 end Palmar doesn't want to sheep me anymore and switches his vote onto some completely random dude AND switches OFF from a guy who first claimed and then retreacted from the claim when the heat off off them.

Same thing. I have absolutely no idea why he did that, but it always makes him mafia when he plays against his "principles". Always.

On February 24 2017 00:34 Fecalfeast wrote:

On February 24 2017 00:30 Palmar wrote:
You'll get another check.

lel, fake news, only cop can be 1 shot.

gottem boys

This is true.

Yeah i forgot that. Doesn't change the fact that Palmar is mafia. Cop should still probably not claim (unless red on someone not Palmar) since D3 the checks give more confirmed townies let there be a CC or not. If they even are in the game.

Fake

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 23 2017 18:14 GMT

#549

For the record Vivax my case on Palmar has nothing to do with him being a cop or not since i could not prove it anyways so it's jsut dumb to make a case like "i know i am green so he is mafia lying". But he literally claimed a cop in the post i just quoted. Maybe you should start reading properly ok?

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 23 2017 18:18 GMT

#550

Could it be that vivax is now woke?

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

February 23 2017 18:25 GMT

#551

Palmar your roleplaying is getting frustrating it's hard to tell what you're serious about, if anything....

Vivax

22374 Posts

February 23 2017 18:28 GMT

#552

On February 24 2017 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record Vivax my case on Palmar has nothing to do with him being a cop or not since i could not prove it anyways so it's jsut dumb to make a case like "i know i am green so he is mafia lying". But he literally claimed a cop in the post i just quoted. Maybe you should start reading properly ok?

Well, I'm ruminating on it. It is possible that he's just keeping his claim unclear enough for a sufficient time to figure out which setup this is. And if he's mafia and sees no cop claiming, he will just claim that this is the cop setup and he's the cop.

Your reaction though I found still noteworthy cause to me it looked like you were believing that he was cop from the get go. Will check out that case still.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 23 2017 18:30 GMT

#553

On February 24 2017 03:28 Vivax wrote:

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Vivax is an unstoppable train of truth

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 23 2017 18:31 GMT

#554

I literally voted for him before he said anything about anything on D2. Do you think i - as mafia - tend to vote for people because i somehow magically believe they are going to imply they are a cop? (I wish i would, i would be super good scumplayer if i did!)

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 23 2017 18:33 GMT

#555

I declare fecalfeast a true patriot and a gentleman. He is a true American

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 23 2017 18:33 GMT

#556

You still have no clue what he is doing don't you FF?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 23 2017 18:36 GMT

#557

Anyways, all of you need to make your choice.
You can ask me anything if you want to, you will not get anything out of Palmar anyways.

So make your choice and try to find the other scum instead of participating on this nonsense Palmar is putting up with. At least it'll help me tell you who is scum - you'll know my alignment for sure by the EOD regardless of what happens anyways.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

February 23 2017 18:39 GMT

#558

I wanna talk with Damdred because it's going to be either him on Bill Murray.
If we lynch Palmar today it won't matter since we can lynch them both but sadly i cannot trust on that based on what i have read (lol) this phase so far. Also i'd like to be right before D2 ends. So don't you fucking dare to ignore me Damdred if you are town.

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

February 23 2017 19:01 GMT

#559

Damdred bm and mendelen should come by and play. The possibility of one or both scums just sitting and watching makes me uneasy

Vivax

22374 Posts

February 23 2017 19:04 GMT

#560

Do you really only see this day being between you and Palmar, rayn?

I've read your case and it boils down to Palmar not acting like he's 100% convinced that you are mafia and should get lynched during D1. But the likely explanation is that he acted like he was convinced I was mafia on D1, and I remember that act pretty well as it was quite unnerving. That doesn't mean his behaviour must have come from town, but it also means that it didn't have to come from mafia.

I will handle it like this: Palmar is not a cop. If he ever claims anything later in the game, it will be worthless. If he doesn't bother to reaffirm that he is cop and has info, he is simply not the cop. He had enough time to scout for any ccs. I assume that a hypthetical cop Damdred and a cop BM could still be cops and weren't around to CC, but I see it as unlikely cause both of them are very lynchable.