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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 11:12 GMT
#501
yes, I am
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 11:13 GMT
#502
well I wasn't, but then you gave me the idea, so I am.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 11:17 GMT
#503
I'm 76% sure rayn is mafia. I have to account for the possibility that I'm colorblind
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2017 14:23 GMT
#504
Here is the thing.

Here is how Palmar's read progresses:
Before D1 end:
On February 22 2017 01:28 Palmar wrote:
Now Koshi is a true patriot, and a townsman.

We have three in my team. Me, Koshi and Malongo. I also think Fecalfeast might be in my team but I am not sure.

We will come for these baddies.

rayn is 10000000% mafia.

Vivax is too

But don't mind me, I'm just being right over here in my corner.

On February 22 2017 01:32 Palmar wrote:
So game looks like this.

Town:

Palmar
Koshi
Malongo
Damdred


Maybe town
sicklucker
fecalfeast

illegal emigrant
BIll Murray

scum
rayn
vivax

On February 22 2017 01:34 Palmar wrote:
solved bitches

I don't mind killing rayn first, he's annoying when he's mafia.


The problem here is when Palmar is town and he thinks i am mafia he will 100% vote for me and try to convince everyone else to vote for me because he values lynching me when he thinks i am mafia. There is literally 0% chance Palmar actually thinks i am mafia and doesn't vote for me.


Here is what happens after the lynch:
On February 23 2017 00:26 Palmar wrote:
Like it completely baffles me, even if these folks didn't want to kill dishonest Vivax, why didn't they just do as you did and get rid of the emigrant?

At least that would have been arguably a successful day.

But no, instead you let scumrayn trick all your tiny brains into killing sicklucker, and now rayn has run off to his hole to hide.

Sad.

I have the best brain folks, trust it.

So either Palmar wanted his #2 lynch to be someone who he doesnt think is scum, or he doesn't actually think i (or Vivax) am mafia. Now how does this make sense? Go back to his filter on D1 and read the posts. Literally every single post where there is a mafia"read" says either "Vivax is mafia" or "rayn is mafia".

Now at this point there is maybe 0.1% chance Palmar is actually just trolling on his read on me, but that cannot be true since he is again calling me scum (when i have not made a single post that could affect the read after N1 start).

TLDR;
- Palmar's read on me doesn't go along with his actions in the thread
- Even if you don't know his play well enough, everything he says is like "i am writing this in a trolling manner so i can backpedal it later on if i need to, i was just trolling".
- He's been just as fucking unproductive than BM has been in this game while actually being here and "playing". Does ANY of you think that Palmar, as town, when a person he thinks in town is getting the most votes aka being lynched, plays like he did on EOD? Never ever, never!!!

Now i am gonna get my stuff ready for the trip and then i am gonna read again and find the second mafia dude. Of and for a possible cop, do not claim even if Palmar sticks with the claim, he is super fucking obvious scum and you don't have to. Even if he somehow manages to get me lynched instead of him do not claim. You'll get another check. Except if you have a red check you can claim because we 100% win the game right there.
table for two on a tv tray
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 15:29 GMT
#505
Fake
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 15:30 GMT
#506
You'll get another check.

lel, fake news, only cop can be 1 shot.

gottem boys
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 15:30 GMT
#507
On February 23 2017 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You'll get another check.


FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 15:31 GMT
#508
LYINPELIKONEET
Computer says mafia
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 23 2017 15:33 GMT
#509
On February 23 2017 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the thing.

Here is how Palmar's read progresses:
Before D1 end:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 01:28 Palmar wrote:
Now Koshi is a true patriot, and a townsman.

We have three in my team. Me, Koshi and Malongo. I also think Fecalfeast might be in my team but I am not sure.

We will come for these baddies.

rayn is 10000000% mafia.

Vivax is too

But don't mind me, I'm just being right over here in my corner.

Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 01:32 Palmar wrote:
So game looks like this.

Town:

Palmar
Koshi
Malongo
Damdred


Maybe town
sicklucker
fecalfeast

illegal emigrant
BIll Murray

scum
rayn
vivax

Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 01:34 Palmar wrote:
solved bitches

I don't mind killing rayn first, he's annoying when he's mafia.


The problem here is when Palmar is town and he thinks i am mafia he will 100% vote for me and try to convince everyone else to vote for me because he values lynching me when he thinks i am mafia. There is literally 0% chance Palmar actually thinks i am mafia and doesn't vote for me.


Here is what happens after the lynch:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 00:26 Palmar wrote:
Like it completely baffles me, even if these folks didn't want to kill dishonest Vivax, why didn't they just do as you did and get rid of the emigrant?

At least that would have been arguably a successful day.

But no, instead you let scumrayn trick all your tiny brains into killing sicklucker, and now rayn has run off to his hole to hide.

Sad.

I have the best brain folks, trust it.

So either Palmar wanted his #2 lynch to be someone who he doesnt think is scum, or he doesn't actually think i (or Vivax) am mafia. Now how does this make sense? Go back to his filter on D1 and read the posts. Literally every single post where there is a mafia"read" says either "Vivax is mafia" or "rayn is mafia".

Now at this point there is maybe 0.1% chance Palmar is actually just trolling on his read on me, but that cannot be true since he is again calling me scum (when i have not made a single post that could affect the read after N1 start).

TLDR;
- Palmar's read on me doesn't go along with his actions in the thread
- Even if you don't know his play well enough, everything he says is like "i am writing this in a trolling manner so i can backpedal it later on if i need to, i was just trolling".
- He's been just as fucking unproductive than BM has been in this game while actually being here and "playing". Does ANY of you think that Palmar, as town, when a person he thinks in town is getting the most votes aka being lynched, plays like he did on EOD? Never ever, never!!!

Now i am gonna get my stuff ready for the trip and then i am gonna read again and find the second mafia dude. Of and for a possible cop, do not claim even if Palmar sticks with the claim, he is super fucking obvious scum and you don't have to. Even if he somehow manages to get me lynched instead of him do not claim. You'll get another check. Except if you have a red check you can claim because we 100% win the game right there.


I just woke up and haven't checked up on d1 yet but this looks pretty solid.

Couple questions tho,
You say there's a 0.1% chance palmar is trolling. If the chance is that low why even mention it? Obviously if he's mafia he'll say he was trolling or at least act like it.

If town palmar would lynch you 100% if he thinks you're mafia, what value is there in a mafia palmar not trying to lynch you? Some kind of careless slipup/not thinking like a town?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 23 2017 15:34 GMT
#510
On February 24 2017 00:30 Palmar wrote:
You'll get another check.

lel, fake news, only cop can be 1 shot.

gottem boys

This is true.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 15:44 GMT
#511
On February 24 2017 00:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the thing.

Here is how Palmar's read progresses:
Before D1 end:
On February 22 2017 01:28 Palmar wrote:
Now Koshi is a true patriot, and a townsman.

We have three in my team. Me, Koshi and Malongo. I also think Fecalfeast might be in my team but I am not sure.

We will come for these baddies.

rayn is 10000000% mafia.

Vivax is too

But don't mind me, I'm just being right over here in my corner.

On February 22 2017 01:32 Palmar wrote:
So game looks like this.

Town:

Palmar
Koshi
Malongo
Damdred


Maybe town
sicklucker
fecalfeast

illegal emigrant
BIll Murray

scum
rayn
vivax

On February 22 2017 01:34 Palmar wrote:
solved bitches

I don't mind killing rayn first, he's annoying when he's mafia.


The problem here is when Palmar is town and he thinks i am mafia he will 100% vote for me and try to convince everyone else to vote for me because he values lynching me when he thinks i am mafia. There is literally 0% chance Palmar actually thinks i am mafia and doesn't vote for me.


Here is what happens after the lynch:
On February 23 2017 00:26 Palmar wrote:
Like it completely baffles me, even if these folks didn't want to kill dishonest Vivax, why didn't they just do as you did and get rid of the emigrant?

At least that would have been arguably a successful day.

But no, instead you let scumrayn trick all your tiny brains into killing sicklucker, and now rayn has run off to his hole to hide.

Sad.

I have the best brain folks, trust it.

So either Palmar wanted his #2 lynch to be someone who he doesnt think is scum, or he doesn't actually think i (or Vivax) am mafia. Now how does this make sense? Go back to his filter on D1 and read the posts. Literally every single post where there is a mafia"read" says either "Vivax is mafia" or "rayn is mafia".

Now at this point there is maybe 0.1% chance Palmar is actually just trolling on his read on me, but that cannot be true since he is again calling me scum (when i have not made a single post that could affect the read after N1 start).

TLDR;
- Palmar's read on me doesn't go along with his actions in the thread
- Even if you don't know his play well enough, everything he says is like "i am writing this in a trolling manner so i can backpedal it later on if i need to, i was just trolling".
- He's been just as fucking unproductive than BM has been in this game while actually being here and "playing". Does ANY of you think that Palmar, as town, when a person he thinks in town is getting the most votes aka being lynched, plays like he did on EOD? Never ever, never!!!

Now i am gonna get my stuff ready for the trip and then i am gonna read again and find the second mafia dude. Of and for a possible cop, do not claim even if Palmar sticks with the claim, he is super fucking obvious scum and you don't have to. Even if he somehow manages to get me lynched instead of him do not claim. You'll get another check. Except if you have a red check you can claim because we 100% win the game right there.


I just woke up and haven't checked up on d1 yet but this looks pretty solid.

Couple questions tho,
You say there's a 0.1% chance palmar is trolling. If the chance is that low why even mention it? Obviously if he's mafia he'll say he was trolling or at least act like it.

If town palmar would lynch you 100% if he thinks you're mafia, what value is there in a mafia palmar not trying to lynch you? Some kind of careless slipup/not thinking like a town?


I wouldn't believe a word lyinpelikoneet says
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2017 15:52 GMT
#512
On February 24 2017 00:33 Fecalfeast wrote:

Couple questions tho,
You say there's a 0.1% chance palmar is trolling. If the chance is that low why even mention it? Obviously if he's mafia he'll say he was trolling or at least act like it.

If town palmar would lynch you 100% if he thinks you're mafia, what value is there in a mafia palmar not trying to lynch you? Some kind of careless slipup/not thinking like a town?

Because of someone might say "he is trolling". If you continue reading after that you'll know why this isn't an option.

Probably the latter. I don't know for sure, i however do know how he works as town and what he'll do and what not. If you wanna see a similar case go read this (well you probably know this particular scenario since you hosted the game). Same thing there:
- Palmar as town hates D1 claimers (and fakeclaimers - and ALWAYS lynches them) and when he has no good case of his own sheeps a person who he thinks is strong and town.
- Palmar says he wants to sheep me
- Suddenly on D1 end Palmar doesn't want to sheep me anymore and switches his vote onto some completely random dude AND switches OFF from a guy who first claimed and then retreacted from the claim when the heat off off them.

Same thing. I have absolutely no idea why he did that, but it always makes him mafia when he plays against his "principles". Always.

On February 24 2017 00:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 00:30 Palmar wrote:
You'll get another check.

lel, fake news, only cop can be 1 shot.

gottem boys

This is true.

Yeah i forgot that. Doesn't change the fact that Palmar is mafia. Cop should still probably not claim (unless red on someone not Palmar) since D3 the checks give more confirmed townies let there be a CC or not. If they even are in the game.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2017 15:55 GMT
#513
If Palmar flips town in this game you can by all means lynch me on D3.
table for two on a tv tray
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 15:55 GMT
#514
Now it's interrogation time lyinpelikoneet.

I charge you guilty with tryna lynch town patriot sicklucker, even when he spoke pretty towny and it's clear the case on him was bullshit?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 15:56 GMT
#515
On February 24 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 00:33 Fecalfeast wrote:

Couple questions tho,
You say there's a 0.1% chance palmar is trolling. If the chance is that low why even mention it? Obviously if he's mafia he'll say he was trolling or at least act like it.

If town palmar would lynch you 100% if he thinks you're mafia, what value is there in a mafia palmar not trying to lynch you? Some kind of careless slipup/not thinking like a town?

Because of someone might say "he is trolling". If you continue reading after that you'll know why this isn't an option.

Probably the latter. I don't know for sure, i however do know how he works as town and what he'll do and what not. If you wanna see a similar case go read this (well you probably know this particular scenario since you hosted the game). Same thing there:
- Palmar as town hates D1 claimers (and fakeclaimers - and ALWAYS lynches them) and when he has no good case of his own sheeps a person who he thinks is strong and town.
- Palmar says he wants to sheep me
- Suddenly on D1 end Palmar doesn't want to sheep me anymore and switches his vote onto some completely random dude AND switches OFF from a guy who first claimed and then retreacted from the claim when the heat off off them.

Same thing. I have absolutely no idea why he did that, but it always makes him mafia when he plays against his "principles". Always.

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 00:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 24 2017 00:30 Palmar wrote:
You'll get another check.

lel, fake news, only cop can be 1 shot.

gottem boys

This is true.

Yeah i forgot that. Doesn't change the fact that Palmar is mafia. Cop should still probably not claim (unless red on someone not Palmar) since D3 the checks give more confirmed townies let there be a CC or not. If they even are in the game.


lyinpelikoneet!

Cop should always claim day 2 assuming he checked n1, which he should have. There is no point in waiting and risking being shot. Regardless of the check being green or red there is no benefit in waiting.

That's why i claimed and now you die.
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2017 15:57 GMT
#516
On February 24 2017 00:55 Palmar wrote:
I charge you guilty with tryna lynch town patriot sicklucker, even when he spoke pretty towny and it's clear the case on him was bullshit?

And if you thought that was true you would have done something about it on D1.
And that's why you are mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 15:57 GMT
#517
sicklucker, im sorry bro

those people are the worst. The absolute worst.

Koshi, enemy of the people, was a traitor. You were brave sicklucker. Mighty brave.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 23 2017 15:57 GMT
#518
On February 24 2017 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 00:55 Palmar wrote:
I charge you guilty with tryna lynch town patriot sicklucker, even when he spoke pretty towny and it's clear the case on him was bullshit?

And if you thought that was true you would have done something about it on D1.
And that's why you are mafia.

Lies
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2017 15:57 GMT
#519
On February 24 2017 00:56 Palmar wrote:
Cop should always claim day 2 assuming he checked n1, which he should have. There is no point in waiting and risking being shot. Regardless of the check being green or red there is no benefit in waiting.

booo...
If you have a green check you always claim at the last second of N2.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 23 2017 15:59 GMT
#520
+ based on your posting on right now you were so sure i am mafia (after i made my case on SL) if you were a cop you 100% check Vivax over me, because you don't need to copcheck me.
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