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On February 10 2017 04:44 RtaniSoul wrote: Alright. Vivax, Silverika, Grack, can you link the best scumgames you've ever played? (and with a list of your scumbuddies if it's not obvious in the OP).
Won't they just post the games which are furthest away from how they are playing this game if you ask them directly?
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I am sorry if I upset you, silver. That really was not my intention...
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Now that was a great waste of time, SL... Why did even you vote no?
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Also vivax this team was full resistance for you - why did you vote nay?
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I like grack's team suggestion buz super hasn't posted here since the mission failed and that kinda changes my view of him again. I really don't know his motive behind his sporadic appearances. He sure as hell does not make it easier for resistance players...
Just I agree with silver and rt's stance here. Unless super decides to come back and give us more information about his play I unfortunately do not see too much of a chance of this Nomination... Which makes my turn coming up much more difficult...
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Also rt, what team would you send out if you had to nominate right now?
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On February 11 2017 20:42 Vivax wrote:Well my three scenarios are: - Sharkie + Grack were both spies. Seeing no out from either scumreading each other or Swika, they let the first mission pass, waiting for the second to blame the newcomer as they felt it would be easier than to attack a vastly townread swika, or being forced to scumread each other. Grack now put sharkie in along with superbia, who can still be either town or spy but for simplicity it's always easier to assume only one spy was on a failed team, so it's usually a win win or eat least no loss scenario for spies to have 2 on a team.
- Only Grack was spy and decided that he would pass the first, and fail the second. Before it failed he 180° his read on me and townread sharkie instead to try and gather support from all the members of the first three player team + RtaniSoul. Mind you, his read switch happened after I was in an argument with sharkie and rtaniSoul so the timing makes sense as he saw an opening on me here. In this case his current team is all town with exception of superbia who is his infiltrate.
- Only sharkie is spy. Least likely in my opinion cause I don't believe that Gracks read switch on me was genuine and somewhere I mentioned that if he's town it was maybe borderline gamethrowing, but for sure game changing.
Gracks scenario is that I made an all town team when I was townread already. Even IF I didn't include myself for cred, what would have stopped me from trying to put in a spy? The worst that could happen was that it got rejected and swika put me into the next team anyways, they were ready to do that. So I'm not the guy pushing tinfoil in this case. My question to Grack and sharkie now is: If this team failed, who would they think was spy?
I don't believe that this team will fail. But if it fails then super must be the spy. But that's a risk we will take with any of sl/tw/emc/super.
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On February 11 2017 20:16 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 19:45 Superbia wrote: Actually I'll take a look at grack's logic later today first. I'm a bit bothered by something Since the gf is currently on the phone, I'll elaborate a little bit: I'm still a bit stuck on 99% mafia being on team 1. I may be reading a bit too much into WIFOM here, but the polarized votes, especially by scummy people, are so incredibly weird. Initially when making this post, I wanted to call out grack for a mafia WIFOM team. However, Grack's theory is interesting. In a way that it is pretty shit and farfetched, but it showcases a townie mindset. If you think both your team mates are town, and you are town, how do you approach that vote? And that's it looks like he did. If it's a play, it's pretty good. But I actually like him as town at this point. That does leave me stuck on the votes on team 1, and everything surrounding it (cough—I'm still reading a bit into the late modpost). I actually would prefer grack on the team without sharkie. I may be falling into a good WIFOM play here. But this is where my mind is headed atm.
Who are the scummy people in your view? Also, when you mention that you like Grack's theory and call it townlike, do you mean my theory that Grack has adapted?
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Also rtani, what team would you send at the moment?
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SL carees about the game? Since when? All he did since the fail was to put a team with him in it and asking us to accept it based on "come on resistance players, just go yolo mode"
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I am sorry but meta reads are for me irrelevant vivax. You will never gain my trust if all you do is using your hunches or past plays to judge people's positions in games. Because any good player could totally abuse that and it is only lazy play from sl/tw. And lazy play should never be rewarded.
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On February 12 2017 06:20 Superbia wrote: Like is anyone not following my logic here? Please tell me.
I agree mostly with your logic there. Just for me it is exactly one spy between you two, not max. But I also believe that team 1 has no spy in the team and only Grack is with me on that theory
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On February 12 2017 06:25 Superbia wrote: In a game where t1 is all town it's vivax/ec/tw
Great, now you agree with me as well (on the spies). Vivax will use this to further think his me/grack/super theory is sound haha...
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So vivax, was this team all resistance as well? lol
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Is LightningStrike a seasoned player as well? Super: lets see how LightningStrike acts
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On February 12 2017 07:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2017 07:24 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I kinda behind on my reading because I didn't expect to replace in lol. Anyways will catch up soon. Don't worry you don't have to do much everyone already solved the game just approve RtaniSoul/Swika/yourself/SL and we win the game ez
Since you asked me the question I think it is only fair for me to ask you the same question. If that team had a fail, who would be the spy?
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On February 12 2017 07:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2017 07:32 sharkie wrote:On February 12 2017 07:25 Vivax wrote:On February 12 2017 07:24 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I kinda behind on my reading because I didn't expect to replace in lol. Anyways will catch up soon. Don't worry you don't have to do much everyone already solved the game just approve RtaniSoul/Swika/yourself/SL and we win the game ez Since you asked me the question I think it is only fair for me to ask you the same question. If that team had a fail, who would be the spy? Since you asked me the question it's only fair you ask him the same question. Why did Grack disapprove his own team? I can play this game too you know.
rt already asked
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On February 12 2017 07:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2017 07:46 sharkie wrote:On February 12 2017 07:40 Vivax wrote:On February 12 2017 07:32 sharkie wrote:On February 12 2017 07:25 Vivax wrote:On February 12 2017 07:24 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I kinda behind on my reading because I didn't expect to replace in lol. Anyways will catch up soon. Don't worry you don't have to do much everyone already solved the game just approve RtaniSoul/Swika/yourself/SL and we win the game ez Since you asked me the question I think it is only fair for me to ask you the same question. If that team had a fail, who would be the spy? Since you asked me the question it's only fair you ask him the same question. Why did Grack disapprove his own team? I can play this game too you know. rt already asked Remember to ask everyone else who does that in the future as well, it seems to be important to you.
Well obvious it's important to ask the person who nominates the team why he decided to nayvote it? Also vivax, since the day of the nomination of the 2nd mission all you have done in this game is to hurl insults to people. It started with me, changed then to rtani, progressed to grack and has now reached super.
How about you start trying to prove your innocence with facts other than "hey come on, do you really think that is how I would play the game as a spy" or insults. I don't think you answered any of my questions back then during mission 2 voting process. You were too busy calling rt and me a spy team.
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vivax will probably go into history of leading the worst spy team to a win... Can't believe I am the only person who keeps reading him a spy. At least people start opening their eyes to Grack. Totally sad that it took so long for people to realise that he isn't a spy..Vivax is totally abusing the meta here, do you even notice how often he keeps mentioning that this is not his way to play a spy -> ergo being that he isn't a spy! That is like the lamest excuse ever. Some of you at least realised that two of our worst players in the game are the other two spies but don't see that as a reason how vivax is forced to play the game. Just ask yourself if you were in his position, how would you play the game? You need to fail three missions, and your teammates will never have the prospect of entering a team nomination successfully. What would you do in that position? Stop thinking about the player but about the situation. Look at his defenses when he was accused by rt, me or grack. He got even defense bonus points from ec/tw - I'd never want that. He is also the only player who has still refused to flat out call ec a spy. The only thing I might agree with him is that tw might be a good player as super only appears in the game when it benefits his position as a potential spy player. Also the mere prospect of Grack AND me being spies and not failing the first mission is so ridicilous. This is as ridicilous as his earlier "sure thing" of rt and me being a spy team together. I think his words back then were "if this mission fails, rt+sharkie is a sure thing." Do you even realise that he framed our second most reliable resistance player (rtani) a spy? How the heck can that be ignored?
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