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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 20 2016 17:17 GMT
#502
On December 21 2016 02:08 Kmatt wrote:
Wew that was fun.

Alakaslam
Wow he actually sucks.

I'll admit, he's done a fantastic job of "skating by". His filter is tiny and full of garbage. He had those posts where he talked about Rels' reads but had no actual content. To this point he hasn't even acknowledged either the Exo or Disinfo wagons. However despite all this I'm leaning more towards him playing Lazy Town rather than a quiet scum. If our wagons are both ML, then Mafia wants to hop on board for the town cred and ride for an easy kill. If we have scum targets they need to be derailing us. He's just not playing at all. In my other game we had Fidei86 being super inactive as scum (though that might have just been him not playing much) so I don't rule Slam being scum out. He's not my first priority here so he's getting a stay of votecution.

ExO_
By all accounts this guy is still scum in my book, mostly for reasons already stated (no scumreads on anyone but his accusers, over-defensiveness at my vote, being unhelpful in general). While the meta read is totally believable, I have no reason to doubt that he's both playing to his own standard and being scum. Regardless, I won't miss him when he's gone. The vote can stay here.

Koshi
For the most part I want to like this guy. His posts do seem a little erratic, but that's not necessarily scum behavior. If you could lay out in a single post your full case against Sicklucker I'd like to see it. Just looking at your filter didn't give me a clear picture on why he's scum and why we should vote him.

LightningStrike
Literally where?

While I'm not a fan of his absence, I can't pin it down to being scum for reasons in Slam's summary. He does need to get off his rump and do some McFriggin work though. Otherwise he seems harmlessly townie. I don't want harmless town I want murderous lynching town.

Sicklucker
Oh wow apparently he made a line about me and him being scumbuddies. I legitimately did not catch that until this post.

Anyway this guy gives off a Slam vibe. I think it's just in his nature to make these one-liner stream of consciousness posts but he looks to be all over the place regarding our wagons. First he thinks I'm scum, then he thinks both Exo and I are scum (which simply doesn't make sense), then me mentions Slam being scum but says nothing about that case. He looks like he's ready to hop on anyone that could be a ML. But since he's down for lynching Exo he's either bussing day 1 (questionable at best) or he's just playing weird town. His enthusiasm for Rels is also odd. That speaks to me as trying too hard for town cred. Also conveniently hasn't spoken a word about disinformation unless I missed something in his spotty filter.

If Exo flips green/blue we're putting this guy on ice.

Rels
Town enough for me. Asks good questions, hasn't done anything particularly scummy in my eyes. He got a little confused on Disinfos pseudo-scumread of Exo but that was a genuinely confusing post. For now I find no fault here.

Holyflare
I'll take him as town as well. More aggressive than I would play, but still very town. I could see him getting shot night one *cough*doc*cough*.

Kmatt
ayy

Disinformation
I genuinely can't tell if he's scum or just a town being all over the place. As much as I hate going neutral on a big wagon, I have to give him a null. If it weren't for the other more deliberately scummy players I would feel better voting for him but as it is I can't come to a conclusion. I'm watching closely.

My current scumteam comes out to Exo/Slam/SL.

TOWN
Rels
LightningStrike
Holyflare
Koshi
Disninformation
Alakaslam
Sicklucker
Exo
SCUM


Update: The bit about Slam being lazy town was me not conveying my thoughts properly. I had that suspicion, but him being scum wins out. I don't lean towards him being town, just that it factored into my analysis.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 20 2016 18:14 GMT
#517
By "Disqualigied" do you mean lynched or is he breaking some rule?
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 20 2016 18:15 GMT
#518
Curse this phone posting and no edit rule.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 20 2016 22:53 GMT
#726
Why do we think I'm scum again? I saw some people say that since I posted a case on GB in NSM as a WoT then my WoTs is some kind of tell. I just like wrapping up my ideas in a single post. And using my only other game as meta is kind of silly.

For now I'm quiet because there doesn't seem like much for me to do here. I have my scumread and cast my vote. Barring any major developments I don't see my read or vote changing tonight. There's obviously a lot to consider with the side wagons like Alakaslam and disinformation but nothing worth vote switching for the time being. I'm keeping an open mind so have at it.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 20 2016 22:56 GMT
#729
On December 21 2016 07:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2016 07:53 Kmatt wrote:
Why do we think I'm scum again? I saw some people say that since I posted a case on GB in NSM as a WoT then my WoTs is some kind of tell. I just like wrapping up my ideas in a single post. And using my only other game as meta is kind of silly.

For now I'm quiet because there doesn't seem like much for me to do here. I have my scumread and cast my vote. Barring any major developments I don't see my read or vote changing tonight. There's obviously a lot to consider with the side wagons like Alakaslam and disinformation but nothing worth vote switching for the time being. I'm keeping an open mind so have at it.

So you were reading all this time but didn't say anything ? Even when exo started positng ?


I was taking a test and just caught up.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 20 2016 23:27 GMT
#770
On December 21 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2016 07:56 Kmatt wrote:
On December 21 2016 07:55 Rels wrote:
On December 21 2016 07:53 Kmatt wrote:
Why do we think I'm scum again? I saw some people say that since I posted a case on GB in NSM as a WoT then my WoTs is some kind of tell. I just like wrapping up my ideas in a single post. And using my only other game as meta is kind of silly.

For now I'm quiet because there doesn't seem like much for me to do here. I have my scumread and cast my vote. Barring any major developments I don't see my read or vote changing tonight. There's obviously a lot to consider with the side wagons like Alakaslam and disinformation but nothing worth vote switching for the time being. I'm keeping an open mind so have at it.

So you were reading all this time but didn't say anything ? Even when exo started positng ?


I was taking a test and just caught up.

sooo what did you think of exo's posts ? What do you think of Koshi's take on Exo's posts ? What do you think of Slam ?


Exo's questioning of Koshi's and HF caught my attention but how much I consider it depends on the flip.

Hoshi's take on a Slam lynch sound interesting but I don't follow his train of thought entirely. I have no issue with voting Slam Day2 so we can discuss that again in the morning.

Slam is both dubious and absent. I won't miss him.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 20 2016 23:38 GMT
#773
On December 21 2016 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
Exo's questioning of Koshi's and HF caught my attention but how much I consider it depends on the flip.


what does this even mean?????


He has some neat crackpot theories but if he's scum then they're meaningless.

And no, exo has yet to change my mind. Especially with the majority lynch system threatening a potential no lynch I like my vote right where I placed it.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 21 2016 00:28 GMT
#779
Aaaaaaaa now I'm getting cold feet. I liked this better as scum, I never had to think about this. The uncertainty is killing me. I'm going off for a bit, I'll try to be back before the flip in case something comes up.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 21 2016 00:39 GMT
#784
I'm on critical battery so it's time for my convenient afk. He had said something about you and Hoshi that I first thought was scum babbling but piqued my interest nonetheless. And I'm not saying I want to swap votes but I can't shake the feeling that I made a mistake somewhere. I made my bed and I'm going to lie in it.

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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 21 2016 01:18 GMT
#787
Back.

Alright now I feel retarded, but I could have sworn I read a post earlier today about a setup where you (HF) and Hoshi were scum together with Disinfo or something. I don't see it anywhere in his filter so maybe it was one of the other ones I read. I don't even care anymore. 12 minutes let's get this over with.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 21 2016 01:23 GMT
#789
How you don't know is beyond me unless you skipped 39 pages.

I voted him on his first post, he went super defensive/reactionary and kind of flailed about as pressure mounted. Since then he hasn't done anything constructive and continues to insist how he's VT and how HF is a meaniehead.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 21 2016 01:28 GMT
#796
On December 21 2016 10:26 Alakaslam wrote:
However I did skip about 20 pages of the thread


Yeah then you'll probably be equally surprised that, despite the concentration of votes, you and apparently I are the #2 scum candidates. Yesterday people were all over Disinformation but no one seems to care anymore.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 21 2016 01:35 GMT
#808
[image loading]

Damn it all why didn't you morons talk me out of this.


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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 21 2016 01:51 GMT
#823
On December 21 2016 10:48 Alakaslam wrote:
For what it's worth I'm amazed how well Kmatt told me so much with so little.


I mean I made a wall of text a few pages back but otherwise what did I say?
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 21 2016 01:56 GMT
#826
On December 21 2016 10:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2016 10:51 Kmatt wrote:
On December 21 2016 10:48 Alakaslam wrote:
For what it's worth I'm amazed how well Kmatt told me so much with so little.


I mean I made a wall of text a few pages back but otherwise what did I say?

I'm talking about the post where you summed up The reasons EXO was up for Lynch.


So what do you make of it? Did he have it coming, am I scum who led the ML, did mafia support my train from behind, etc.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 21 2016 02:12 GMT
#835
On December 21 2016 10:59 sicklucker wrote:
being good as scum when sucking at town is like winning the special Olympics


[image loading]
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 22 2016 15:05 GMT
#1172
This is gonna sound stupid but I was under the impression that night=radio silence since there's no vote and we're supposed to be "asleep". Anyway

On December 22 2016 21:04 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2016 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh I see no point putting in any work when you scum read someone and they just decide to afk for the cycle. That's not fun.

I was thinking about the sl thing tbh. Kmatt posted in his wall of text that sl is scummy and should be lynched if exo flips town but hasn't said a peep about sl or anything. Find it a bit odd.

But I guess he hasn't been here at all either sooooo.

Good catch on that.
Really want to see what Kmatt posts if/when he comes back.


On December 22 2016 21:03 Holyflare wrote:
I really want kmart to come back and be the towniest mother fucker ever so the game is interesting but maybe that's too much to ask.


Wow I didn't expect to that. But I just don't know of a way to salvage this one. That was the biggest thing that made me nervous about Exo: if he flips green, not only do we get closer to losing, but I have no way to explain myself out of it. I kind of resigned to having thrown the game right there. Of course that was under the assumption that there would be a NK followed by my lynch. That would set the game 3-3 and GG.

I'm afraid I'm coming up dry here. Normally I'd look for who was involved with the ML, except that was my train and it has long since left the station. The lack of a NK is what threw me off the most. Host's post makes it sound like it was mafia team not agreeing on a shot, though I'd much rather it be a doctor. Without a claim it looks like we'll never know.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 22 2016 15:07 GMT
#1176
Actually I had forgotten about my SL theory from day1. Gonna go read up and see where I was going with that.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 22 2016 15:26 GMT
#1193
tangentially related but any post written liek this......... makes me read you like???? in a teenagge girl's voice????
???????


??????????????????????????????????

But yeah that's how it worked when I played the mafia sc2 mod, you'd have maybe 10 seconds after a lynch to funpost before the game declared "IT IS NIGHT TIME" and chat would be locked. There was a "town crier" class that could anonymously talk at night which was kind of funny.

From what I garner the bit that bothered me about SL was his initial inactivity followed by the erratic posting. The bit about Rels was weird to me too. I also didn't like how he hopped on the Exo wagon without explaining his own reason, but since I was pushing that in the first place it's more likely that he just agreed with me.

At the moment though HF sits the worst with me. For a while I had just accepted that this was his posting style and that being overly-aggressive made for better town play. The more I look over his posts though, it seems like he's more focused on getting a rise from people than actually garnering useful information. He takes any questionable statement and overreacts to draw attention.

But yeah apparently I suck as town and should stick to NSM.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
December 22 2016 15:29 GMT
#1195
On December 23 2016 00:27 disformation wrote:
But yeah his post is so ultra horrible i have no idea what to think of it?
Why would scum post taht? why would town post that?
Like this part:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2016 00:05 Kmatt wrote:
Wow I didn't expect to that. But I just don't know of a way to salvage this one. That was the biggest thing that made me nervous about Exo: if he flips green, not only do we get closer to losing, but I have no way to explain myself out of it. I kind of resigned to having thrown the game right there. Of course that was under the assumption that there would be a NK followed by my lynch. That would set the game 3-3 and GG.


3-3?! what? there are not even 3 scum in the game...
super randomly giving up after 1 ML. What? PPL get shit wrong all the time... you keep looking for scum.

And I have no idea how he suddenly can become so clueless/defeated after playing scum just fine the last game... where he also had at least one post in the night phase.


Soooo... trying to play super hard for the newb card?


Oh wow there actually are only two scum. I was under the impression it was three this whole time.
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