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Actually HFs bit about mafia skating by makes sense. Still standing by that Exo is scummy.
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On December 20 2016 02:42 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote:
Can't really quote because mobile but here goes.
As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read.
Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't.
It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him.
your initial jab against me was an immediate OMGUS. That's not really testing the waters imo. I hadn't even been in the thread for more than 5 minutes, and you're accusing me of posting to not be considered inactive. how in the world is that testing the waters? You don't think immediately voting me might force me to turn and focus only on you instead of looking at the thread? You didn't ask me what I thought about X or Y, you just voted me immediately. That's not testing the wawters.
If by OMGUS you mean Oh My God You Suck, which according to the Internet would be me accusing you of being scum simply because you voted for me. Firstly, I called on your first, and every post since then has been super reactionary. Secondly, me voting you on a thin premise was in fact pushing buttons to gauge your response. Looks to me like it worked.
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On December 20 2016 02:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:50 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 02:42 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote:
Can't really quote because mobile but here goes.
As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read.
Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't.
It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him.
your initial jab against me was an immediate OMGUS. That's not really testing the waters imo. I hadn't even been in the thread for more than 5 minutes, and you're accusing me of posting to not be considered inactive. how in the world is that testing the waters? You don't think immediately voting me might force me to turn and focus only on you instead of looking at the thread? You didn't ask me what I thought about X or Y, you just voted me immediately. That's not testing the wawters. If by OMGUS you mean Oh My God You Suck, which according to the Internet would be me accusing you of being scum simply because you voted for me. Firstly, I called on your first, and every post since then has been super reactionary. Secondly, me voting you on a thin premise was in fact pushing buttons to gauge your response. Looks to me like it worked. Why would you specifically want to gauge exo's response instead of anyone in the thread when all he did was comment on one thing?
I couldn't come up with anything on the posts so far so I just took a shot at what appeared to be low hanging fruit. I would have eased off or even dropped it had Exo brushed off my obviously weak call and went about posting sound reads and questions, but instead we got this.
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On December 20 2016 03:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:59 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 02:51 Holyflare wrote:On December 20 2016 02:50 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 02:42 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote:
Can't really quote because mobile but here goes.
As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read.
Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't.
It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him.
your initial jab against me was an immediate OMGUS. That's not really testing the waters imo. I hadn't even been in the thread for more than 5 minutes, and you're accusing me of posting to not be considered inactive. how in the world is that testing the waters? You don't think immediately voting me might force me to turn and focus only on you instead of looking at the thread? You didn't ask me what I thought about X or Y, you just voted me immediately. That's not testing the wawters. If by OMGUS you mean Oh My God You Suck, which according to the Internet would be me accusing you of being scum simply because you voted for me. Firstly, I called on your first, and every post since then has been super reactionary. Secondly, me voting you on a thin premise was in fact pushing buttons to gauge your response. Looks to me like it worked. Why would you specifically want to gauge exo's response instead of anyone in the thread when all he did was comment on one thing? I couldn't come up with anything on the posts so far so I just took a shot at what appeared to be low hanging fruit. I would have eased off or even dropped it had Exo brushed off my obviously weak call and went about posting sound reads and questions, but instead we got this. So if your call out was weak and you even misread the intention behind his initial post why is it scummy that he called you out for misrepresenting his post/voting him/pushing him further?
At first I thought the "wish I had a friend" bit was pointless filler text just so he could have a reaponse. Then I thought he implied LS and I were buddying by having and conversation. Even now it seemed silly. I don't think his response was scummy in intent, but the fact that he started going off suspecting multiple people without building a solid case confirmed it for me. He was just too wrapped up with my first comment instead of brushing it off and fishing for real scum. Even now I don't think he has a real case on anyone despite the post count.
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On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now.
I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break.
To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence.
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Nothing that anyone has said about disinformation seems wrong. He's definitely contributing less to the discussion. However, for us to go from being mostly in agreement on Exo to an entirely different case out of nowhere seems worng.
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On December 20 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
Exo has done nothing to alleviate the pressure. I didn't hate his point about disformation but now disformation is on the line and he isn't doing anything about it. Nothing about exo has changed.
There's more than one player in this game though so pressuring disformation who is doing absolutely mafia like play is not bad in the slightest. If it's justifiable and exo isn't around why is it bad to pressure disformation??
I don't think it's bad to pressure, but it stood out to me how similar this is to what happened with me. I'm all ears to what we hear from the questioning.
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On December 20 2016 04:10 Holyflare wrote:
What I want to know though is why you gave SL a free town read for posting. If he had only posted his 0-1 other lines of posts do you think he would have started to be scum read instead?
Ayy HF I answered to your prodding before the Smith posting about why the conversation shift bothered me. Do you have any conclusion for us?
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On December 20 2016 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
conclusion about what?
You asked about why I felt that way, I answered, and you started posting memes. I'm not saying you have to push it but I'd like to hear that conversation through.
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Seriously though is Rels even aware that we started? His most recent post was from last Thursday.
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On December 20 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:Kmatt I don't follow your train of thoughts here: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. You assume SL might be seriously talking about LS being bad town, then you assume it was sarcasm ? And you're pressuring SL on that but you think it was townie ?
Oh here we go again
He was making a joke. I'm getting sick of having to explain it to people and want SL to do it. That is all.
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On December 20 2016 08:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 08:25 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:Kmatt I don't follow your train of thoughts here: On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. You assume SL might be seriously talking about LS being bad town, then you assume it was sarcasm ? And you're pressuring SL on that but you think it was townie ? Oh here we go again He was making a joke. I'm getting sick of having to explain it to people and want SL to do it. That is all. So you never consider SL sentence to be serious ? And you stated openly in the thread multiple times that you think that SL is making a joke and that oyu think it is townie, there is no pressure on SL anymore since he knows what you find townie.
No, SL was obviously not serious about trying to get LS nightkilled. I find harmless banter at the start of the game to be more town behavior. As of now, with how absent he's been from discussion I have a null read on him. There hasn't really been pressure because we've been talking about different things.
I'd like to hear some thoughts from him and something constructive from LS.
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On December 20 2016 08:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 08:49 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 08:38 Rels wrote:On December 20 2016 08:25 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:Kmatt I don't follow your train of thoughts here: On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:
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Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. You assume SL might be seriously talking about LS being bad town, then you assume it was sarcasm ? And you're pressuring SL on that but you think it was townie ? Oh here we go again He was making a joke. I'm getting sick of having to explain it to people and want SL to do it. That is all. So you never consider SL sentence to be serious ? And you stated openly in the thread multiple times that you think that SL is making a joke and that oyu think it is townie, there is no pressure on SL anymore since he knows what you find townie. No, SL was obviously not serious about trying to get LS nightkilled. I find harmless banter at the start of the game to be more town behavior. As of now, with how absent he's been from discussion I have a null read on him. There hasn't really been pressure because we've been talking about different things. I'd like to hear some thoughts from him and something constructive from LS. You never played with LS ? I remember one game of yours where you were scum with NocturneMage, was it your only one ?
Correct this is my second game. I did sign up for another after the 1st buy I had to go offline for a while at the start so I dropped out.
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Okay finally back and reread. My post about not liking the shift to disinformation was more a reflection of my tunneling. At the time it didn't really seem like the disinformation scum case was that big but catching up with the thread I can definitely see him being either scum or really weak town. As for everyone else, I need to take some time to go through the filters. I'll be back with a better post shortly.
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And lol@ me and exo being scumbuddies. Don't get me wrong I'm all for bussing people but that would be a little extreme.
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On December 21 2016 00:51 Koshi wrote:
I can only see a bus or Slam being mafia with Exo. Because Exo took destructive battering from everywhere.
That's my one doubt on Exo. If he's scum (which I'm pretty damn sure he is), then mafia team is giving up the ghost super easily. And seeing the posts from his other town game I could believe he's just playing consistently not-very-good and thus is doing scum team's work for them. Not enough doubt to make me not vote for him of course but if he somehow flips green I'm going to feel like a bigger idiot than otherwise. Time for filters.
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On December 21 2016 01:22 disformation wrote:
Though I guess it is not impossible for him to get cold feet over the lack of resistance over ExO_s lynch. Koshi was also showing a bit of that earlier.
Still not a good post by him.
Now that you put it out there, it does seem like a cheap way to shift blame, I'll avoid that in the future.
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On December 21 2016 01:05 Holyflare wrote:
Seeing the posts from his other town game, consistently bad. Um, isn't the whole premise that it's wildly different from his town game?
Bae caught me slippin?
To be frank I didn't actually boot up 2hu mafia and read his posts for myself. I'm lazy like that. From what was posted here it sounded like his reactionary posting and short fuse are standard fare for him. I'll give it a glance after my bigger post to see if it's as different/telling as you make it sounds.
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Wew that was fun.
Alakaslam
Wow he actually sucks.
I'll admit, he's done a fantastic job of "skating by". His filter is tiny and full of garbage. He had those posts where he talked about Rels' reads but had no actual content. To this point he hasn't even acknowledged either the Exo or Disinfo wagons. However despite all this I'm leaning more towards him playing Lazy Town rather than a quiet scum. If our wagons are both ML, then Mafia wants to hop on board for the town cred and ride for an easy kill. If we have scum targets they need to be derailing us. He's just not playing at all. In my other game we had Fidei86 being super inactive as scum (though that might have just been him not playing much) so I don't rule Slam being scum out. He's not my first priority here so he's getting a stay of votecution.
ExO_
By all accounts this guy is still scum in my book, mostly for reasons already stated (no scumreads on anyone but his accusers, over-defensiveness at my vote, being unhelpful in general). While the meta read is totally believable, I have no reason to doubt that he's both playing to his own standard and being scum. Regardless, I won't miss him when he's gone. The vote can stay here.
Koshi
For the most part I want to like this guy. His posts do seem a little erratic, but that's not necessarily scum behavior. If you could lay out in a single post your full case against Sicklucker I'd like to see it. Just looking at your filter didn't give me a clear picture on why he's scum and why we should vote him.
LightningStrike
Literally where?
While I'm not a fan of his absence, I can't pin it down to being scum for reasons in Slam's summary. He does need to get off his rump and do some McFriggin work though. Otherwise he seems harmlessly townie. I don't want harmless town I want murderous lynching town.
Sicklucker
Oh wow apparently he made a line about me and him being scumbuddies. I legitimately did not catch that until this post.
Anyway this guy gives off a Slam vibe. I think it's just in his nature to make these one-liner stream of consciousness posts but he looks to be all over the place regarding our wagons. First he thinks I'm scum, then he thinks both Exo and I are scum (which simply doesn't make sense), then me mentions Slam being scum but says nothing about that case. He looks like he's ready to hop on anyone that could be a ML. But since he's down for lynching Exo he's either bussing day 1 (questionable at best) or he's just playing weird town. His enthusiasm for Rels is also odd. That speaks to me as trying too hard for town cred. Also conveniently hasn't spoken a word about disinformation unless I missed something in his spotty filter.
If Exo flips green/blue we're putting this guy on ice.
Rels
Town enough for me. Asks good questions, hasn't done anything particularly scummy in my eyes. He got a little confused on Disinfos pseudo-scumread of Exo but that was a genuinely confusing post. For now I find no fault here.
Holyflare
I'll take him as town as well. More aggressive than I would play, but still very town. I could see him getting shot night one *cough*doc*cough*.
Kmatt
ayy
Disinformation
I genuinely can't tell if he's scum or just a town being all over the place. As much as I hate going neutral on a big wagon, I have to give him a null. If it weren't for the other more deliberately scummy players I would feel better voting for him but as it is I can't come to a conclusion. I'm watching closely.
My current scumteam comes out to Exo/Slam/SL.
TOWN
Rels
LightningStrike
Holyflare
Koshi
Disninformation
Alakaslam
Sicklucker
Exo
SCUM
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On December 21 2016 01:41 Holyflare wrote:
so you're saying you didn't read it but literally the only one to really talk about it was disformation where he also lays out why it's different in the same post.................?
And now I've read it. He's scum af. I was playing from work yesterday so I wouldn't read too far into stuff. Now that I'm full and well caught up I think I've seen all I need to. Exo has my vote and it would take a lot to change that.
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