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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 20:43 GMT
#648
On December 29 2016 05:42 disformation wrote:
2 ppl out of 13 - "leading wagon"

yup.

well I am calling it right here, right now: town is going to lose this game. very hard.

The GB wagon analysis is terrible because this game is all AFKs
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 20:45 GMT
#651
Koshi could very easily be mafia right now. He cherry picks things against me and ignores the same things in other players. He buffs up LS' terrible slam argument against me when there were 4/5 other people who made similar posts.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 20:45 GMT
#653
On December 29 2016 05:43 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 05:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 29 2016 05:39 disformation wrote:
On December 29 2016 05:36 disformation wrote:
LS was scum in the game I just played. dont think he is scum here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517122-liquidmania-qualifier-1?user=LightningStrike
if you want to take a quick look at that filter


Ok, I'll take a look later, but what makes you think he isn't scum here? Is it just meta?

I liked his case on grack:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 01:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 29 2016 01:08 ExO_ wrote:
On December 29 2016 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 29 2016 01:02 ExO_ wrote:
I feel like there are a lot of people to seriously consider, but we have 8 hours left and the votes are all over the place. I think I'd prefer chez/slam if we're just gonna lynch a trolly person. I could see grack being scum, but I could also see Koshi very easily being scum here.

His post looks good, but look at how he's playing this game. He's not posting with fire or over the top bravado. He's saying good shit, but he's not playing with that huge umpf that he plays with as town. He's antagonizing nobody. This still doesn't look like town Koshi to me, it reminds me so much of dota 2 mafia.

Still I don't wanna get tunneled all in on this theory 100% yet. I think we should come together as town and get rid of either slam or chezinu for now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Alakaslam

That is like playing darts and hope you hit a bulleyes. I think we should lynch into Grack or Koshi atm.


On the contrary, it's making a safer play. Going with grack or Koshi is closer to your darts scenario.

However you think Grack or Koshi? Make a case, and tell me which you'd prefer

I starting to think it's more likely Grack unless what you said about Koshi in Dota 2 is correct.
This is the case on Grack by Koshi:
On December 28 2016 11:00 Koshi wrote:
##vote Grackaroni

in 4 pages:
I have no clue who he thinks is mafia.
I have not seen him push the game forward. (aka brought new interesting topics to discuss with people)
I have not seen him try to progress his own reads by asking somebody a question that would further his read on them.
He scumreads LS, makes 2 posts on why he is mafia, and then doesn't mention him in the next 20 posts he makes.
He townreads ExO when it is safe to do so, and then pushes that read onto people like he discovered that read. While he had nothing to say about ExO the entire game (before he hard townread him).


Probably mafia. Will monitor if he picks up his play.

This was my addon to his case on grack:
On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing.

I think it's better to lynch Grack since Slam and Chez are harder to read people until you let them just do their own thing especially Slam.
##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni

which, as an addition didnt look like anything ls did last game

Yeah you can die. That case is so terrible.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 20:47 GMT
#654
LS thinks that I'm mafia because I was trying to deflect people off of his fantastic case on Koshi from his first post and that we are a team, when it is so patently obvious that I am not on a team with Koshi at this point.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 20:49 GMT
#656
On December 29 2016 05:48 disformation wrote:
Doesnt stop him from being town.

I think he probably is. But if that's the reason you're scum reading then you need to go.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 20:53 GMT
#661
On December 29 2016 05:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 05:43 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 29 2016 05:42 disformation wrote:
2 ppl out of 13 - "leading wagon"

yup.

well I am calling it right here, right now: town is going to lose this game. very hard.

The GB wagon analysis is terrible because this game is all AFKs


What do you mean?

Between Chezinu, Slam, Btdt, Time traveler, and anyone else who hasn't posted since lynch discussions have gotten more serious, I think there's too many unknown elements to figure out who is scum just through the way the lynch is going right now.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 20:55 GMT
#663
6 pages bitches. I plan to hit 10 before lynch time.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 20:58 GMT
#666
On December 29 2016 05:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Grack

3 names you would lynch

In order

Please

Koshi

Disfo

Slamezinu

I'm going to do what I can to get my Koshi lynch but he hasn't given me enough to bury. I've pointed out various inconsistencies but nobody really cares about them.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 20:58 GMT
#667
On December 29 2016 05:56 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 05:55 Grackaroni wrote:
6 pages bitches. I plan to hit 10 before lynch time.

And posts like this make me want to switch to you again.

Ok. But you're only expanding upon my post count.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:11 GMT
#675
Actually DF's progression on you seemed pretty great to me. Now I'll give a stronger town lean to DF.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:16 GMT
#678
On December 29 2016 06:14 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 05:19 disformation wrote:

grack is a scum lean, as posted earlier.


I only found this in your filter.

Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 03:00 disformation wrote:
dunno gracks filter is a whole lot of nothing expressed in a lot of words. no reads / real hunting into defense against koshi.


Can you expand on why you liked Grack earlier but now find him scummy?

Because the votes are getting scary
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:25 GMT
#684
On December 29 2016 06:23 disformation wrote:
gracks first 4 pages of filter have 0 content beside a decent point on koshi and TT.
then koshi makes a case on him.
bad defense + omgus follows.
THEN grack starts to play a bit and reads some filters.
still posts tons of useless oneliners.

And yet you liked what I had to say before! Your story is unravelling at the seams, my dear Fabian. Motives grow ever clearer!

Most of my posts are usually useless. I post what I feel like. That's how I play.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:27 GMT
#686
Allow me to demonstrate every single twist that Koshi has pulled so far this game, and why he should be a serious topic of discussion.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:30 GMT
#693
Let me preface this by mentioning that I have played with Koshi a lot. He killed me off last game when I started to scum raed him. He should be making an effort to talk to me to read me rather than writing a series of paragraphs that twist my usual play style, alongside various opportunistic mischaracterizations, into some kind of a scum case.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:32 GMT
#696
On December 29 2016 06:28 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 29 2016 06:23 disformation wrote:
gracks first 4 pages of filter have 0 content beside a decent point on koshi and TT.
then koshi makes a case on him.
bad defense + omgus follows.
THEN grack starts to play a bit and reads some filters.
still posts tons of useless oneliners.

And yet you liked what I had to say before! Your story is unravelling at the seams, my dear Fabian. Motives grow ever clearer!

Most of my posts are usually useless. I post what I feel like. That's how I play.

Nope I didnt like anything

I told you guys i was absolutely shitposting first half of D1 on purpose -.-

also: great, I think I wont be a big fan of you play/poststyle

Well if you wrote a series of shit posts with fake reads then your post style seems more inexcusable than my own.

Quite hypocritical if you ask me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:35 GMT
#703
On December 29 2016 06:33 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 06:32 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 29 2016 06:28 disformation wrote:
On December 29 2016 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 29 2016 06:23 disformation wrote:
gracks first 4 pages of filter have 0 content beside a decent point on koshi and TT.
then koshi makes a case on him.
bad defense + omgus follows.
THEN grack starts to play a bit and reads some filters.
still posts tons of useless oneliners.

And yet you liked what I had to say before! Your story is unravelling at the seams, my dear Fabian. Motives grow ever clearer!

Most of my posts are usually useless. I post what I feel like. That's how I play.

Nope I didnt like anything

I told you guys i was absolutely shitposting first half of D1 on purpose -.-

also: great, I think I wont be a big fan of you play/poststyle

Well if you wrote a series of shit posts with fake reads then your post style seems more inexcusable than my own.

Quite hypocritical if you ask me.

*facepalm*

you guys are starting to get on my nerves.

Lol sorry I'm just having fun.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:45 GMT
#715
Who is 1a?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:46 GMT
#719
On December 29 2016 06:45 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 06:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Who is 1a?


It's all about df

Ah lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 21:59 GMT
#728
On December 29 2016 06:52 Time Traveler wrote:
Wait, Grack actually wants Koshi dead after defending him? da fack. Guess I'll have to re-read

I'm currently working on a Koshi post

My point regarding Koshi was based on his first post. I really dislike what he's done overall today.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 28 2016 22:10 GMT
#734
I'm going to have to break this up into a series of parts
Koshi says:
Grack coming in defending me is mafia. He
But he never clarifies why this is scummy for me and not for other people. Plus I think that Koshi should be smart enough to understand the point that I had made. All I said was that I would read Koshi based on what he posted later, which is what I did. I think if he's going to argue that defending him is scummy he should apply that logic consistently, or give a reason why it should make me scummy over others.
On December 27 2016 11:58 Tictock wrote:
You don't read Koshi off one post where he says he might not be too active. You read him based on what he follows up that one post with.

Also he's been rolling town lately, so if he rolled Scum he could prob pull out the activity if need be.

Basically it is too early to read Koshi.

Exo not playing like total lynchbait is a bit more sus in my mind, but he is setting the bar for activity right now... Let's wait till he goes to bed, yell at him for not being around, then lynch him.

#day1plays

On December 27 2016 13:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Why we vote koshi

It's bullshit vote ayyyyy lmao

https://goo.gl/images/rgFnii

On December 27 2016 13:34 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 13:24 ExO_ wrote:
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote:
Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.

Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.

Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.

I prefer Grack so far to be most town


I want to know, so I know what to compare it to (and in the case of timetraveler to figure out if its a smurf or not). And it's hardly the only thing I'm asking for.

The votes on Koshi are silly thus far? Then you think this is consistent with his town play? Or do you have somebody you are scum reading harder?


Well generally I think voting off of one post is a little much. I share your concern, considering Koshi's usual town play style is aggressive and quite good, but there's so much time left in the day.

I like Grack because he pointed out that people are putting pressure on Koshi, but not Alakaslam even though they had similar openings.

Also when digging through posts I noticed LightningStrike is arguing that I was trying to shift attention off of Koshi while ignoring TickTock, who could be argued to have done the same.
On December 27 2016 14:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh Grack's defense of Koshi is a little bit strange can't remember if he did the same thing regarding me in my very first game together. Anyways I think we should leave Slam alone and see what he does because one of the ways Geript had a good read on to Slam is if Slam does his own thing which would mean he would be town so I rather see what he does later.


On December 27 2016 15:12 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 13:34 darthfoley wrote:
On December 27 2016 13:24 ExO_ wrote:
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote:
Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.

Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.

Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.

I prefer Grack so far to be most town


I want to know, so I know what to compare it to (and in the case of timetraveler to figure out if its a smurf or not). And it's hardly the only thing I'm asking for.

The votes on Koshi are silly thus far? Then you think this is consistent with his town play? Or do you have somebody you are scum reading harder?


Well generally I think voting off of one post is a little much. I share your concern, considering Koshi's usual town play style is aggressive and quite good, but there's so much time left in the day.

I like Grack because he pointed out that people are putting pressure on Koshi, but not Alakaslam even though they had similar openings.


I'm also curious why Super is being overlooked in favor of Koshi. He made more posts but had far less content.

Instead TT was town for chill posting. Slam was a policy lynch. DF was null. But me defending him makes me mafia. Also he cites LS' post as evidence against me, which I don't think makes any sense because LS' whole post was saying that I was trying to deflect attention away from mafia Koshi.
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