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On October 24 2016 12:13 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
my brother got married this weekend stick your rules somewhere unpleasant.
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i thought the seahawks game would be over when i got home, but it isn't.
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gb, why are you more interested in being right than convincing people why iamp is scum?
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i caught up in the thread and read bill murray's filter while watching the game. that's a minor level of devotion.
i have concluded that bill murray is pretty useless, but town. mostly cuz he was bragging about the TT wagon and claiming credit for it pre-lynch, which doesnt make much sense for mafia to do when they know town is about to die.
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this game is kinda hard to read and find mafia for me tbh. i feel like a lot of people are trying to nickle and dime other people and there isn't a whole ton of meat and potatoes to work with. i am probably guilty of this too, but at least i have the i suck cuz i haven't played excuse.
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On October 24 2016 13:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 13:23 ritoky wrote:
this game is kinda hard to read and find mafia for me tbh. i feel like a lot of people are trying to nickle and dime other people and there isn't a whole ton of meat and potatoes to work with. i am probably guilty of this too, but at least i have the i suck cuz i haven't played excuse. So let's fix this then, huh? Football game's over. Who's scum for you right now? Let's hunt some red.
hm that's tough. my town reads are much better than my mafia reads. off the top of my head
vivax's meta shows that when he doesn't play he is basically mafia. i was interested yesterday in his "i was doing this intentionally to bait people and see who reads me" post, but then nothing came of it. probably just mafia
lunaticman basically was around until the lynch came off him, then he promptly fucked off and hasn't done much since so my read on him is basically the same.
tubesock posted some reads that were awful mostly because they were incredibly narrow but had no depth.
i used to think GB was super scum, but he posted some shit to guilt trip me essentially and now i am at a pause with him. cuz he said "ritoky knows how i play as mafia" which i do 80% of the time...he like to make plays to either trade for important town members or create/buy space for teammates to distance and ingratiate even at the cost of his life. there's also the odd game of gb where i have seen him get the super crucial role for the mafia team and just be miserable because he can't play how he wants due to having to value his own life. so idk he could be an important scum role, but generally he is kinda right in that he isn't playing his standard mafia game....but he also isn't being helpful.
i don't like the style/way acro posts, but having never played with him i can't tell if it is a me thing or he is scummy thing.
and if kurumi disappeared from the universe i wouldn't notice any difference.
and now i have realized that basically all but 1 of these are lurkers and i probably have to be wrong somewhere here
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i think the pretty sure they are town pile is like:
bill murray
ptmc
btdt
hamaramadingdong
dandel
which probably no1 agrees with
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On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest. Maybe not Acro...? Look at Artanis though. Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit. I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here: On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 22 2016 17:32 Holyflare wrote:On October 22 2016 17:21 Holyflare wrote:On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 22 2016 09:34 NocturneMage wrote:Lunatic is also rreaaaaaaalllllyyyyyy meh. On one hand he's calling holyflare mafia with no explanation other than opportunism but then we have luna/hf both pushing each other. same time though, lunaticman points out this discrepancy though.... On October 21 2016 05:05 Lunaticman wrote:
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I think it is very shallow as expected day one. It felt like he just wanted to assign blame to someone. Throwing the first rock if you will.
I like your idea of building a town circle, that is always the most important thing the first two days.
I'm also sad to see you say you will never play again maybe your just not in the mood.
Also I'm off to bed nn. On October 21 2016 22:55 Lunaticman wrote:
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HAHA :D this made me laugh thank you.
You don't want to engage me directly but now I won't let you slip between the cracks so you just try to shade me while voting someone else entirely. And you don't even post any reasons.
It is intresting people are town reading BT and scum reading me although we both have the exact same read on Koshi. This smells like mafia trying to save mafia. and that double standard gives me pause, atm stuck on whether he's trying to skate by or whether he's someone who speaks in simpler sentences (if that makes any sense, basically someone who makes instinct reads...) but will need to revisit him after flips or more content. I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match. So if I have a choice between a town koshi or a town ticktock I go after the scrub one??? I could have easily lynched koshi but I'm waiting to see if he does something, anything in fact while i had an actual case on TT. He also claimed a town ability too. Koshi regularly gets nk on night 1 and 2 as town because he's a big threat and plays well but for some reason I'd just let him stay alive? Wave is definitely mafia btw. I lost 0 hp. Ok wave might not definitely be mafia but lt/sl are practically confirmed town in my eyes now. I don't believe mafia start laying their kp on wave when they can attack better targets. Oh actually this is a good point. Ugh. Stop making good points. Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit. I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town. This dude has to be town for this Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious. Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though.
artanis made the tier 3 damdred read on me pretty accurately which kinda pocketed me.
i can understand the feelings about artanis though. i am kinda frustrated by the game-state. i feel like i am down here in the mud grinding, and artanis feels like he is in a plane in the clouds. detached i guess is the best word. but i don't know if that makes him mafia.
also he was way more convinced by skynx's responses than i was.
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On October 24 2016 13:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 13:44 ritoky wrote:
i think the pretty sure they are town pile is like:
bill murray
ptmc
btdt
hamaramadingdong
dandel
which probably no1 agrees with Btdt has been niggling at me all game. 'Too clean to be town' comes to mind but then again, sheer filter makes him look good and there aren't many players capable of the kind of filters HF or I can produce as scum. I'm not gonna go after him at this point though when there are others that are far worse looking. BM I think is fine. ptmc is sorta-pseudo-mod confirmed. If he's scum I'll blame everyone else for this one. I hate mod confirmed stuff most of the time but everyone seems to be real sure of it. Think Acro was the one who originally picked up on it and everyone appeared to agree. Dandel is highly likely to be town but as the game progresses he often just fucks about and stops doing things. I think he has since shed his usual meta actually but he was too engaging and mostly useful D1 for me to consider him scum, at least not for a while. Plus it was Game Day (MTG) today so I know he wasn't around a lot. I don't know why anyone things haduafsu taco guy is town. Hell or scum for that matter. He's just been super forgettable. Why is he town for you exactly? I'ma go read him.
btdt is an activity + arguing with holyflare last night read. he was arguing with hf over a pile of nothing and flipping his read and being all indecisive and weirding me and hf the fuck out during night phase. if you know you're about to kill hf, there's no point to all those stupid gymnastics the only thing they can do is make you look worse in a few moments.
hamsterbabymcafk is purely a read on him suggesting a player was a jester. believe me it is a dumb read, but it is a mindset thing. new player + new environment + rolled mafia to me would tend toward a cautious mindset. suggesting someone is a jester like right away doesn't fit that mindset.
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On October 24 2016 13:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 13:49 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest. Maybe not Acro...? Look at Artanis though. On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit. I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here: On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 22 2016 17:32 Holyflare wrote:On October 22 2016 17:21 Holyflare wrote:On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
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I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match. So if I have a choice between a town koshi or a town ticktock I go after the scrub one??? I could have easily lynched koshi but I'm waiting to see if he does something, anything in fact while i had an actual case on TT. He also claimed a town ability too. Koshi regularly gets nk on night 1 and 2 as town because he's a big threat and plays well but for some reason I'd just let him stay alive? Wave is definitely mafia btw. I lost 0 hp. Ok wave might not definitely be mafia but lt/sl are practically confirmed town in my eyes now. I don't believe mafia start laying their kp on wave when they can attack better targets. Oh actually this is a good point. Ugh. Stop making good points. Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit. I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town. This dude has to be town for this Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious. Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though. artanis made the tier 3 damdred read on me pretty accurately which kinda pocketed me. i can understand the feelings about artanis though. i am kinda frustrated by the game-state. i feel like i am down here in the mud grinding, and artanis feels like he is in a plane in the clouds. detached i guess is the best word. but i don't know if that makes him mafia. also he was way more convinced by skynx's responses than i was. This is pretty bad for Artanis I think. He's very discussion oriented but normally he also picks up on little things and is a very intelligent town player. For him to be playing detached and then be convinced by Skynx's responses rather than the way he plays I just don't think looks good on him. But again for Artanis for me it's still mostly a feels read. He doesn't FEEL good. Like I think town Artanis should have had a breakout case by now that causes a stir, and he hasn't. What is the tier 3 damdred read? Whatever it is, you know he's capable of reading you even better if he knows your alignment, right? (assuming you're town and he's not)
damdred has a soul read on me that has pretty significant depth to it. me being more amiable when mafia and antagonistic as town is the most basic level of it, so i called it tier 3 cuz idk random naming.
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On October 24 2016 14:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 13:59 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 13:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 24 2016 13:49 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest. Maybe not Acro...? Look at Artanis though. On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit. I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here: On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 22 2016 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
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Ok wave might not definitely be mafia but lt/sl are practically confirmed town in my eyes now. I don't believe mafia start laying their kp on wave when they can attack better targets. Oh actually this is a good point. Ugh. Stop making good points. Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit. I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town. This dude has to be town for this Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious. Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though. artanis made the tier 3 damdred read on me pretty accurately which kinda pocketed me. i can understand the feelings about artanis though. i am kinda frustrated by the game-state. i feel like i am down here in the mud grinding, and artanis feels like he is in a plane in the clouds. detached i guess is the best word. but i don't know if that makes him mafia. also he was way more convinced by skynx's responses than i was. This is pretty bad for Artanis I think. He's very discussion oriented but normally he also picks up on little things and is a very intelligent town player. For him to be playing detached and then be convinced by Skynx's responses rather than the way he plays I just don't think looks good on him. But again for Artanis for me it's still mostly a feels read. He doesn't FEEL good. Like I think town Artanis should have had a breakout case by now that causes a stir, and he hasn't. What is the tier 3 damdred read? Whatever it is, you know he's capable of reading you even better if he knows your alignment, right? (assuming you're town and he's not) damdred has a soul read on me that has pretty significant depth to it. me being more amiable when mafia and antagonistic as town is the most basic level of it, so i called it tier 3 cuz idk random naming. In which case are you calling yourself scum? 'Cause I'm pretty sure I've seen you slightly more belligerent, and this isn't it.
i am a legend in my own mind and like to think i have no readable meta 
but really it's mostly cuz the rules are pretty harsh this game. i almost said pretty bad things.
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also something i remembered was that i liked LT and exo less cuz they suggested letting the mod deal with vivax....don't rely on the mod. you get shit like i have pulled before and which vivax has repeatedly told me "never again" for. he knows better than to try to eod snipe.
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WoS you had ??? about acro. why you ??? about acro.
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On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.
I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill
i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually.
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idk though with acro i look at his filter though WoS and i see the right signs for town. like he is really pushing for his lynch day 1. he has reads with a semblance of thought. he is a dog with a bone when it comes to question dodgers. he seems interested in solving mechanics but not exclusively talking about them. but idk something about them just gives me the heeby mafia jeebys. it might be specifically a tone thing with how he types. i know i have had that with a person before where i regardless of what they post their tone just fucks my brain.
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WoS, what's your hopeless read? and if you can could you get some quotes with it too? like 2 or 3?
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On October 24 2016 14:24 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 14:19 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.
I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually. So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill? Also where is Koshi?
kinda just posted this last page. but probably lunaticman, he fucked off when the wagon came off him and has done pretty much jack since.
i also wouldn't mind a wagon on SL just to try to force his underachieving ass to play hard for an hour or two so i can get a good read on him that i can ride the rest of the game.
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On October 24 2016 14:29 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 14:28 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 14:24 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 14:19 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.
I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually. So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill? Also where is Koshi? kinda just posted this last page. but probably lunaticman, he fucked off when the wagon came off him and has done pretty much jack since. i also wouldn't mind a wagon on SL just to try to force his underachieving ass to play hard for an hour or two so i can get a good read on him that i can ride the rest of the game. And you aren't suspicious of Koshi at all? Where has he been since he talked about his ability?
i don't read a single thing koshi posts. haven't for like 5 games.
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yo you got that hopeless read for me yet?
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