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Anyway BM, look at my filter. People wanted HF dead based on him not posting, they started by trying to coordinate kills, only after me and some other people bombing that plan (HF included) they started thinking about lynching him. Look at the votes he has now.
I mean I still want to coordinate kills, but I don't think I ever suggested HF as a target. Where did that happen exactly?
I vaguely remember something of the sort happening but maybe one or two people brought it up as a thought, I don't remember any push nor any coordination. Can you show me where this narrative comes from?
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On October 21 2016 09:04 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway BM, look at my filter. People wanted HF dead based on him not posting, they started by trying to coordinate kills, only after me and some other people bombing that plan (HF included) they started thinking about lynching him. Look at the votes he has now. I mean I still want to coordinate kills, but I don't think I ever suggested HF as a target. Where did that happen exactly? I vaguely remember something of the sort happening but maybe one or two people brought it up as a thought, I don't remember any push nor any coordination. Can you show me where this narrative comes from? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?page=34#672It starts here. iamperfection starts the thing, he then wants to lynch me, Dandel plays with the plan same with You and Acrofales, sicklucker claims(!) Bloodseeker, says it's fine, Tubesock says that he'll target the same person SL does, Lunatic says he doesn't trust HF, ptmc comes in with some bad reads and defense of Lunaticman... Basically, the essence of D1 is there: lots of interactions, lots of defenses, trying to plan and argue.
lol
Plan?
It was a few people saying 'yeah maybe I'll lynch him or smack him once' and the 'plan' was all but forgotten after a single page.
Honestly the strangest part about all of that wasn't even people saying they'd randomly kill him, it was you defending him for basically no reason. I'm not really following your narrative at all, and imo the only one coming off looking bad in all this is you.
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If you're referring to the plan to stack KP, I still think that needs to happen, and I will push for it as best I can.
I think the worry about a potential PGO/bus driver/whatever/etc is silly.
In fact, I'm going to propose three town!KP targets right now that I suggest everyone with KP stack on (that doesn't have another ability they plan on using this phase).
Lord Tolkien
sicklucker
Glowingbear.
Stack your KPs on one of those three. I don't see a point in KPing the straight up non-posters because they will be replaced.
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On October 21 2016 09:28 Tictock wrote:
Allright I feel a little bad I kinda wasted the first day of this game, but it wound up starting at a weird time for me so not much I could do. Should be able to sink some time in tonight and tomorrow though.
Not sure I want to say much about my role, not sure how important that info is just yet.
I did want to get my thoughts down about the setup, or my theory about the setup I guess since there really isn't much info in the OP and it's really anyone's guess.
It looks like Radient vs Dire doesn't translate to Town vs Mafia. I'd also bet that there are more than one non-town faction, mostly kus it makes the game more interesting to have a couple of small scum factions than one 5-6 person mafia team vs however many town.
Unfortunately I only have my experience from PyP to draw from, and while I'd bet that there are some broad similarities I don't want to taint my expectations too much by relating to that game. Having said that I think the general strategy of trying to stay organized and working together to determine what everyone is doing is pretty solid. What's going to be weird is that I'm not sure if mafia get standard kills as night (they probably do though) or if all deaths but the day lynch happen due to HP hitting 0.
So with all that in mind I'm going to downplay my usual strat of finding town first and then mafia from PoE and try something a little different. If I'm correct that there are multiple scum factions then mafia are harder to find due to them having their own scum hunting to do and so standard scum hunting gets a bit less reliable.
Bit of a ramble, but I felt like getting that down before getting into the game proper. Looks like I have quite a bit or reading ahead of me... not gunna promise that I get it done in one sitting but I'll make sure I get caught up tonight.
#promisesofthingstocome
Great post.
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On October 21 2016 09:37 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 09:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 09:28 Tictock wrote:
Allright I feel a little bad I kinda wasted the first day of this game, but it wound up starting at a weird time for me so not much I could do. Should be able to sink some time in tonight and tomorrow though.
Not sure I want to say much about my role, not sure how important that info is just yet.
I did want to get my thoughts down about the setup, or my theory about the setup I guess since there really isn't much info in the OP and it's really anyone's guess.
It looks like Radient vs Dire doesn't translate to Town vs Mafia. I'd also bet that there are more than one non-town faction, mostly kus it makes the game more interesting to have a couple of small scum factions than one 5-6 person mafia team vs however many town.
Unfortunately I only have my experience from PyP to draw from, and while I'd bet that there are some broad similarities I don't want to taint my expectations too much by relating to that game. Having said that I think the general strategy of trying to stay organized and working together to determine what everyone is doing is pretty solid. What's going to be weird is that I'm not sure if mafia get standard kills as night (they probably do though) or if all deaths but the day lynch happen due to HP hitting 0.
So with all that in mind I'm going to downplay my usual strat of finding town first and then mafia from PoE and try something a little different. If I'm correct that there are multiple scum factions then mafia are harder to find due to them having their own scum hunting to do and so standard scum hunting gets a bit less reliable.
Bit of a ramble, but I felt like getting that down before getting into the game proper. Looks like I have quite a bit or reading ahead of me... not gunna promise that I get it done in one sitting but I'll make sure I get caught up tonight.
#promisesofthingstocome Great post. Besides looking quite genuine, there's nothing else to it. As to Bus Driver/PGO, just trust me Wave.
I do trust you, but that's besides the point.
I'm not worried that these things exist, because I'm fairly certain they do.
I just don't think they'll as much of an impact as you think they will.
Getting everyone to contribute KP and organize to some degree holds people accountable and at phase change we'll be able to learn some things.
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On October 21 2016 09:37 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 09:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 09:28 Tictock wrote:
Allright I feel a little bad I kinda wasted the first day of this game, but it wound up starting at a weird time for me so not much I could do. Should be able to sink some time in tonight and tomorrow though.
Not sure I want to say much about my role, not sure how important that info is just yet.
I did want to get my thoughts down about the setup, or my theory about the setup I guess since there really isn't much info in the OP and it's really anyone's guess.
It looks like Radient vs Dire doesn't translate to Town vs Mafia. I'd also bet that there are more than one non-town faction, mostly kus it makes the game more interesting to have a couple of small scum factions than one 5-6 person mafia team vs however many town.
Unfortunately I only have my experience from PyP to draw from, and while I'd bet that there are some broad similarities I don't want to taint my expectations too much by relating to that game. Having said that I think the general strategy of trying to stay organized and working together to determine what everyone is doing is pretty solid. What's going to be weird is that I'm not sure if mafia get standard kills as night (they probably do though) or if all deaths but the day lynch happen due to HP hitting 0.
So with all that in mind I'm going to downplay my usual strat of finding town first and then mafia from PoE and try something a little different. If I'm correct that there are multiple scum factions then mafia are harder to find due to them having their own scum hunting to do and so standard scum hunting gets a bit less reliable.
Bit of a ramble, but I felt like getting that down before getting into the game proper. Looks like I have quite a bit or reading ahead of me... not gunna promise that I get it done in one sitting but I'll make sure I get caught up tonight.
#promisesofthingstocome Great post. Besides looking quite genuine, there's nothing else to it. As to Bus Driver/PGO, just trust me Wave.
If I remember correctly, I served on a scumteam with him once, and he made posts like that throughout.
I don't see how you can prove or show in any way that it's truly genuine, and there is absolutely nothing to say that it came from either alignment.
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On October 21 2016 09:50 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 09:37 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 09:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 09:28 Tictock wrote:
Allright I feel a little bad I kinda wasted the first day of this game, but it wound up starting at a weird time for me so not much I could do. Should be able to sink some time in tonight and tomorrow though.
Not sure I want to say much about my role, not sure how important that info is just yet.
I did want to get my thoughts down about the setup, or my theory about the setup I guess since there really isn't much info in the OP and it's really anyone's guess.
It looks like Radient vs Dire doesn't translate to Town vs Mafia. I'd also bet that there are more than one non-town faction, mostly kus it makes the game more interesting to have a couple of small scum factions than one 5-6 person mafia team vs however many town.
Unfortunately I only have my experience from PyP to draw from, and while I'd bet that there are some broad similarities I don't want to taint my expectations too much by relating to that game. Having said that I think the general strategy of trying to stay organized and working together to determine what everyone is doing is pretty solid. What's going to be weird is that I'm not sure if mafia get standard kills as night (they probably do though) or if all deaths but the day lynch happen due to HP hitting 0.
So with all that in mind I'm going to downplay my usual strat of finding town first and then mafia from PoE and try something a little different. If I'm correct that there are multiple scum factions then mafia are harder to find due to them having their own scum hunting to do and so standard scum hunting gets a bit less reliable.
Bit of a ramble, but I felt like getting that down before getting into the game proper. Looks like I have quite a bit or reading ahead of me... not gunna promise that I get it done in one sitting but I'll make sure I get caught up tonight.
#promisesofthingstocome Great post. Besides looking quite genuine, there's nothing else to it. As to Bus Driver/PGO, just trust me Wave. I do trust you, but that's besides the point. I'm not worried that these things exist, because I'm fairly certain they do. I just don't think they'll as much of an impact as you think they will. Getting everyone to contribute KP and organize to some degree holds people accountable and at phase change we'll be able to learn some things. If you do trust me, then look at me as I am. I come to you as a trustworthy envoy, this you can comprehend but I do not come in darkness. The light shines and with it, the truth before your very eyes.
Don't get me wrong, I trust you in terms of trusting that you know there are the type of roles you speak of. But as far as ACTUALLY trusting you I lost a little recently.
I see absolutely no reason not to do this, even if somehow everyone's KP is deflected and doubled at the same time onto the two strongest townies (that will never happen).
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It's 25 pages of mostly bullshit, shouldn't take you too long.
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Hopefully you shall understand everything in time.
I mean this in the politest possible way, but that's horseshit.
I WILL BE SHOOTING ONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED PEOPLE ON MY LIST AS OF RIGHT NOW.
I suggest others do the same.
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On October 21 2016 10:03 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Hopefully you shall understand everything in time. I mean this in the politest possible way, but that's horseshit. I WILL BE SHOOTING ONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED PEOPLE ON MY LIST AS OF RIGHT NOW. I suggest others do the same. Are you claiming vigi? and if you are why did you do that bullshit dazzle reference and subsequent trolling on day 1?
Dear lord.
Exo I was over this yesterday.
If that's not good enough for you, go ahead and lynch me.
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On October 21 2016 10:06 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 10:03 ExO_ wrote:On October 21 2016 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Hopefully you shall understand everything in time. I mean this in the politest possible way, but that's horseshit. I WILL BE SHOOTING ONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED PEOPLE ON MY LIST AS OF RIGHT NOW. I suggest others do the same. Are you claiming vigi? and if you are why did you do that bullshit dazzle reference and subsequent trolling on day 1? Dear lord. Exo I was over this yesterday. If that's not good enough for you, go ahead and lynch me. I'm asking because I'm 25 pages behind on the thread. You don't have to be so hostile towards me. Are you claiming vigi then? Or what did you mean by you're shooting someone on your list?
Alright, fair.
Everyone in the game has some sort of regular attack power.
It does some small amount of a hero's total HP.
I am suggesting we coordinate our weak-ass attacks to add up to a full town-powered kill on somebody this phase.
Kurumi I wasn't serious about that specifically, but if you wanna come down and join me you're more than welcome to.
Moooo.
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On October 21 2016 10:10 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 10:06 ExO_ wrote:On October 21 2016 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 10:03 ExO_ wrote:On October 21 2016 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Hopefully you shall understand everything in time. I mean this in the politest possible way, but that's horseshit. I WILL BE SHOOTING ONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED PEOPLE ON MY LIST AS OF RIGHT NOW. I suggest others do the same. Are you claiming vigi? and if you are why did you do that bullshit dazzle reference and subsequent trolling on day 1? Dear lord. Exo I was over this yesterday. If that's not good enough for you, go ahead and lynch me. I'm asking because I'm 25 pages behind on the thread. You don't have to be so hostile towards me. Are you claiming vigi then? Or what did you mean by you're shooting someone on your list? Alright, fair. Everyone in the game has some sort of regular attack power. It does some small amount of a hero's total HP. I am suggesting we coordinate our weak-ass attacks to add up to a full town-powered kill on somebody this phase. Kurumi I wasn't serious about that specifically, but if you wanna come down and join me you're more than welcome to. Moooo. I see. Shame.
What does that change exactly?
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On October 21 2016 10:09 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 10:08 Kurumi wrote:On October 21 2016 10:06 ExO_ wrote:On October 21 2016 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 21 2016 10:03 ExO_ wrote:On October 21 2016 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Hopefully you shall understand everything in time. I mean this in the politest possible way, but that's horseshit. I WILL BE SHOOTING ONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED PEOPLE ON MY LIST AS OF RIGHT NOW. I suggest others do the same. Are you claiming vigi? and if you are why did you do that bullshit dazzle reference and subsequent trolling on day 1? Dear lord. Exo I was over this yesterday. If that's not good enough for you, go ahead and lynch me. I'm asking because I'm 25 pages behind on the thread. You don't have to be so hostile towards me. Are you claiming vigi then? Or what did you mean by you're shooting someone on your list? It's been established that most roles have a way to deal damage through their actions. I haven't known this for a long while, because I didn't read my role PM for a longer while. Wait what exactly does this mean? I don't think I get it exactly.
Did you or did you not read your role PM?
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On October 21 2016 10:16 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 09:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
If you're referring to the plan to stack KP, I still think that needs to happen, and I will push for it as best I can.
I think the worry about a potential PGO/bus driver/whatever/etc is silly.
In fact, I'm going to propose three town!KP targets right now that I suggest everyone with KP stack on (that doesn't have another ability they plan on using this phase).
Lord Tolkien
sicklucker
Glowingbear.
Stack your KPs on one of those three. I don't see a point in KPing the straight up non-posters because they will be replaced. What about tictock and the other one avoiding mod kill with 1 single post
Ticktock is playing now. It's barely over 24h in, he didn't just 'avoid modkill.'
I don't want to shoot into modkill potentials because they're more likely to be replaced this early.
If it becomes a problem we can kill them going forward.
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On October 21 2016 10:26 Bill Murray wrote:
I just find it weird I call tictock out for having one post thus far and all of a sudden he's coming in and looking too town to be town
He doesn't look like anything atm to me.
And Kurumi just shoot LT and vote BTDT with me.
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On October 21 2016 10:28 Bill Murray wrote:
I guess I'm growing as a player tho because I want to Lynch hf and ttock because of how they treat me from game to game.... YET MY sRy caps... yet my vote is on kurumi. This isn't a breadcrumb.
lolwut
is your backspace key broken
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On October 21 2016 10:30 Bill Murray wrote:
Ok wave and exo u all are both town imo what r we gonna go with ? I like ur idea wave on stacking attacks ... I already sent mine in on tictock but I want to change it now
I already listed 3 potential targets.
LT
sicklucker
glowingbear
one of those three
Who do you want to lynch BM?
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I don't like that the only other ones on him right now are you and Tolk. Iamp I have less issue with, but he's still far from first on my list today.
Yes his defense of HF was weird and his recounting of events seemed on the 'fabricating a narrative' side, but why does that make him scum exactly?
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A little offtopic levity for the thread. (PLEASE WATCH THIS IM DYING)
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