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my weekend is pretty busy, gonna try to read the thread while i have an hour or 2 right now; but not going to be capable of much until monday.
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i wonder....how many people have claimed actions and moved below me...gonna take a look
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koshi, down attack gb +1
hopeless above -1
dandel above -1
SL down +1
tubesock down +1
vivax down +1
Net of +2
I was 19 before and am 16 now which should be +3....so i moved right? whether voluntarily or involuntarily?
maybe i wasn't roleblocked and all of me koshi and vivax targeted GB?
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it's pretty relevant for me to find out if i was roleblocked or not tbh, because in the event i was roleblocked it is crucial to know there is a daytime blocker out there and that there is almost certainly at least 1 mafia in luna/gb.
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On October 23 2016 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 03:40 ptmc wrote:On October 22 2016 21:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I was on my commute and posted more zzzz.
Btw mods, if you could move EOD back 1 hr that would be nice and convenient for me.
Also, wave. He says "dandel has my axe", fucks off, then comes back to make his (non-)vote on me instead of following dandel OR CONSOLIDATING ON AN ACTUAL WAGON like he couldve by looking at vote tallies for 15 seconds in the vote thread.
Either scum or super derpy and I dont know which, but he has a giant filter that mostly does nothing tbh.
I'll be at a Renn Fair rest of night phase/today so dont expect too many more updates this phase. Holy fucking shit, a post by LT that isn't crap and that i can mostly agree on? I'll have to reread the whole game if this continues. I already explained this. Also Im pretty sure everyone I called scum this game immediately called me scum back. Tolk, SL, ptmc, Btdt. Like clockwork It's like the twilight zone
why is ptmc mafia?
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k, i no longer believe i was blocked. i can move on from it.
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On October 23 2016 04:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 04:12 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 03:40 ptmc wrote:On October 22 2016 21:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I was on my commute and posted more zzzz.
Btw mods, if you could move EOD back 1 hr that would be nice and convenient for me.
Also, wave. He says "dandel has my axe", fucks off, then comes back to make his (non-)vote on me instead of following dandel OR CONSOLIDATING ON AN ACTUAL WAGON like he couldve by looking at vote tallies for 15 seconds in the vote thread.
Either scum or super derpy and I dont know which, but he has a giant filter that mostly does nothing tbh.
I'll be at a Renn Fair rest of night phase/today so dont expect too many more updates this phase. Holy fucking shit, a post by LT that isn't crap and that i can mostly agree on? I'll have to reread the whole game if this continues. I already explained this. Also Im pretty sure everyone I called scum this game immediately called me scum back. Tolk, SL, ptmc, Btdt. Like clockwork It's like the twilight zone why is ptmc mafia? He's not anymore. I thought he was earlier in the game which set him off.
mb misread what you typed.
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btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia.
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On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads?
i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me.
the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town.
plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear.
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On October 23 2016 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
By the way, so far, was there anyone defending Koshi? Like, at all?
i haven't read a single thing koshi has posted in ~5 games.
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On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so  .
1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments.
2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you.
i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many.
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On October 23 2016 05:00 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so . 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many. 1) + Show Spoiler +Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more. 2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then?
most people don't and dismiss when i make reads like that as dumb (even though they are generally highly accurate if i would like to pat myself on the back for a moment). i gave up on trying to sell people on them long ago. i just think new player + new environment + rolled mafia tends to a mindset of caution, and suggesting a jester is not that + not a thought that pops in a common mafia's head.
i can post long form reads on monday if i am still alive. i think my town reads are stronger than my mafia reads though tbh.
GB has me shook a bit right now.
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On October 23 2016 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 05:08 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 05:00 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so . 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many. 1) + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRlkEI8SV4 Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more. 2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then? most people don't and dismiss when i make reads like that as dumb (even though they are generally highly accurate if i would like to pat myself on the back for a moment). i gave up on trying to sell people on them long ago. i just think new player + new environment + rolled mafia tends to a mindset of caution, and suggesting a jester is not that + not a thought that pops in a common mafia's head. i can post long form reads on monday if i am still alive. i think my town reads are stronger than my mafia reads though tbh. GB has me shook a bit right now. A jester is a role that wins if he gets lynched before MYLO/LYLO. It is third party. I don't see a scum or a town dumbtell happening in the context of third party role speculations. It feels more like natural behaviour or a user that has not played on teamliquid before which is absolutely not alignment indicative. I mean we're getting repetitive here. So let's drop that topic and agree to disagree. One last thing: you have locked taco bell as town by that dumbtell. You are seemingly not willing to reconsider that. Is that correct?
We aren't going to see eye to eye. Not willing to reconsider? I wouldn't go that far, but it would take hard evidence or continued mafia behavior to begin the reconsidering process for me. Based on his activity level thus far, I doubt the latter is going to happen at any point this game.
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what's wrong with HF's artanis read? artanis isn't one to have super shallow reads as town, yeah 100 pages as a sub is daunting, but i expected him to have at least 1 read with some depth by now.
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On October 23 2016 05:22 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 05:08 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 05:00 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:35 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2016 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On October 23 2016 04:26 ritoky wrote:
btdt you probably don't want to hear this from a washed up salty dog like me, but if you're town; 2 pieces of advice for future games: 1) posts that list every player are less beneficial than posts that focus hard in on a few and 2) generally speaking don't post glowing town reads during night phase, you only put targets on people/help mafia. nevertheless, what do you think about my scumreads? i think you're wrong on hamamuratacobellchalupa but my reason is awful. i realize he has done literal stone nothing, but the suggesting a jester thing as a new player (i think) to this site just seems like such a dumb town tell to me. the rest of your hard scum reads are very bland and thread sentimenty to me. you said nothing i felt was a keen observation or original that made me think they were more scum or you were more town. plus you insulted me, and i shed a tear. That strikes me as odd. Let me explain: First of all, you brought your argument of a dumbtell on taco bell before already. I know that, so you're not adding anything new. Which is fine as I didn't raise anything new either but I wished that my scumread would make you re-read and reconsider. You chose to hard defend taco bell so you should be interested in doing a bit more than just dropping the same thing again, right? Then, you say I'd follow thread sentiment. Except I was the one who started the Koshi wagon and pushed for it over the course of day 1. Going with Vivax isn't thread sentimenty as it's objectivally a good thing to lynch him. Same applies to Lunatic. Keep in mind that the goal of listing my scumreads is not to make myself town but instead raise awareness and get others to pursue those guys, too. You're not doing that, you're reading my list only in the context of beentheredonethat's alignment. Why do you focus so hard on me? It's not directly scummy to do that, yeah, but I think there are plenty of people to talk about. If you choose to try to read me, then ask questions, read my filter or whatever, but don't sacrifice my reads. I actually want to talk about my reads. Please do so . 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many. 1) + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRlkEI8SV4 Sorry, not buying that. As simple as this. From an objective point of view, a jester role speculation is no town dumb tell. Nor a scum dumb tell. It's just a "I come from a different playing environment" dumbtell. Not less, not more. 2) Okay, point taken, but if you want to scumread me for following thread sentiment, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually mae sure that I am following thread sentiment? You said earlier you want me to not post 10000 scumreads but instead post 1-2 and focus on them. Okay, good point. Can you please do the same then? most people don't and dismiss when i make reads like that as dumb (even though they are generally highly accurate if i would like to pat myself on the back for a moment). i gave up on trying to sell people on them long ago. i just think new player + new environment + rolled mafia tends to a mindset of caution, and suggesting a jester is not that + not a thought that pops in a common mafia's head. i can post long form reads on monday if i am still alive. i think my town reads are stronger than my mafia reads though tbh. GB has me shook a bit right now. A jester is a role that wins if he gets lynched before MYLO/LYLO. It is third party. I don't see a scum or a town dumbtell happening in the context of third party role speculations. It feels more like natural behaviour or a user that has not played on teamliquid before which is absolutely not alignment indicative. I mean we're getting repetitive here. So let's drop that topic and agree to disagree. One last thing: you have locked taco bell as town by that dumbtell. You are seemingly not willing to reconsider that. Is that correct? We aren't going to see eye to eye. Not willing to reconsider? I wouldn't go that far, but it would take hard evidence or continued mafia behavior to begin the reconsidering process for me. Based on his activity level thus far, I doubt the latter is going to happen at any point this game. But that's exactly what I see in his filter. Also, the longer the game goes on, the scummier a low-activity poster that manages to just-not-get-modkilled gets, so I don't understand how you doubt that you'll reconsider?
no, low activity over time does not make someone more scummy, unless it is considered out of the ordinary for that player. i also think hamadataikodrums, outside of what i feel is a tell, has been a typical afk non-factor coinflip with no substance so i disagree.
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On October 23 2016 05:25 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 05:23 ritoky wrote:
what's wrong with HF's artanis read? artanis isn't one to have super shallow reads as town, yeah 100 pages as a sub is daunting, but i expected him to have at least 1 read with some depth by now. I posted that already, but here it is once more: it's a read on a replacement that had less than 24 hours to catch up 120+ pages. I think it's way too early to scumread him for the reasons HF mentioned. The reasons are technically valid, but I think town!Artanis will improve by a lot over D2. Of course I don't have the meta advantage that you guys have as you're present on this page way longer than I am.
i mean.....maybe you don't agree with him about artanis being 100% mafia, but your post implies that artanis needs to do more to deserve a town read. what's wrong with HF applying pressure to artanis to do said things, even if he is being extreme.
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anyway i have to go be the designated driver for my brother's bachelor party now, might check via phone randomly over the course of the day.
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On October 24 2016 10:25 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 10:23 iamperfection wrote:On October 24 2016 10:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) I would really like it if we could find a way to confirm BTDT as town, despite his flagrant filter padding. That would certainly make this game easier. The best way would be for koshi to flip scum, but he is claiming the ability to double lynch, which basically confirms him town unless we don't get a double lynch. But then again, why the would he claim the ability to double lynch when there's obviously a mafia roleblock going around. That's actually a stupid thing to do even if you're under pressure from KP, it mildly makes sense given death will cancel the ability out (because it would probably fall under "other"), but actually. This is retarded and we likely have 0 way to verify because he'll never get it off.
So Koshi, please explain your double lynch more thoroughly and tell us why you'd claim it like this or die. Today, preferably. Because it makes no sense.
2) The complete lack of defense or attempt to deflect off of Vivax at all is mildly disconcerting. Plus he's on track to be modkilled D2 so...I'm not sold on the lynch anymore.
3) I'm going to assume Dandel is Schrodinger's scummer, since I obv. cannot read him from the 1 game i played with him.
4) Is HxT just confused noob town or mafia using noob shield. idk, could just kill him today instead of Vivax because he's using noob shield excuse, and if he actually flips scum I can confirm BTDT. But then again he might also be modkilled and replaced so argh.
5) So GB. Why haven't you done anything if you aren't scum. You're always low-key when scum and super-active as town, so tell me. Why shouldn't we lynch you today?
6) Fun fact, I get unblockable/unredirectable KP with my basic attacks now. coo'.
7) The fuck is with this 3p meepo claim. It mildly makes sense, but when 1 meepo dies all meepos die. But then again they decided to classify my hero as an offlaner, lul, so. I'll rule it plausible.
8) SL claims BS. Hrm. Hmmmmmm. What town role does checking HP even serve for town as opposed to mafia, who are better able to coordinate KP to kill off town.
9) I will reverse my call to kill Kurumi for today. Mostly because I don't trust wave still and mostly because I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in re. to time constraints. Even if all he's promising to do is give fucking lists.
10) meh, I like iamp, but then again I know he's not posting mostly because we're playing DotA.
I'm off to play DotA, but I'm prob going to give NocturneMage a read tonight to figure out why the fuck mafia killed him tonight. Might've been rolechecked D1 but eh, think it's probably his filter. The fact that you bring up we play dota together on like 3 separate ocasions screams to me like please dont lynch me iamp we are bros remember. Also this post is super scummy you reach no conclusions what so ever and take no stances. All you do is throw maybes and questions and take no real position. Also there is no way you should be throwing doubt on the vivax lynch unless god forbid you have extra infoirmation. Vivax came back to avoid lynched and then goes afk how can possibly think he is not scum. Also i have no idea what your talking about on me not posting i have been posting non stop pretty much are you not reading the thread? IF so why do you talk about the 3p claim when i was the one to first talk to the kid. Did you forget that and only hear about the 3p claim in your scum qt? I likely kill you next lynch. But where is Vivax right now? If he is going to be Mod Killed we're wasting our time if we vote him. I think Koshi should explain himself and how his ability works. If he cannot or will not I think he would be a good candidate to lynch assuming Vivax stays afk and sets himself up to be mod killed.
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never rely on the mod. just no.
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i am back for a limited time. what are we doing? anyone found mafia? whats the happyhaps?
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seahawks still on...hold on, be back after end of game.
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