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On October 23 2016 04:16 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 03:44 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 03:42 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 23 2016 03:41 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 03:38 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 23 2016 03:30 Skynx wrote:
If ritoky was RB'd, then H1D>ritoky + Vivax>GB + Koshi>GB.
Koshi & Vivax would make sense. reading just that without context but looks like shit it is Its H1D ritoky Vivax Koshi GB on the new list. Vivax was higher on the list so his actions get resolved 1st so he couldn't have attacked Koshi, he attacked GB. Koshi couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature. If ritoky didn't move, H1D couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature cuz he was higher up on the list. oh its just mechanics and not reads only marginally better My reads are in my filter if you wanna read them be my guest. Meanwhile, On October 22 2016 05:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
btnd hardconfirmed town btw What made you say this? Why you voted TT? what might have he have done around the time i said that? and why would i think that? because i thought it very likely he was mafia, that's usually how we do
This is basically a dodge lol. If you can account someone to 100% confirmed town you must have solid reasons to back it up. In this case what are your reasons pls quote some specific stuff.
Thanks for mafia 101, you were lynching Vivax who's your 100% scumread and u switch to tt because you feel he's scum at the time yeah thanks that doesnt add up. Why you voted TT?
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I defended Koshi earlier on btdt, you surely remember that.
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On October 23 2016 04:37 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 04:33 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 04:16 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 23 2016 03:44 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 03:42 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 23 2016 03:41 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 03:38 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 23 2016 03:30 Skynx wrote:
If ritoky was RB'd, then H1D>ritoky + Vivax>GB + Koshi>GB.
Koshi & Vivax would make sense. reading just that without context but looks like shit it is Its H1D ritoky Vivax Koshi GB on the new list. Vivax was higher on the list so his actions get resolved 1st so he couldn't have attacked Koshi, he attacked GB. Koshi couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature. If ritoky didn't move, H1D couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature cuz he was higher up on the list. oh its just mechanics and not reads only marginally better My reads are in my filter if you wanna read them be my guest. Meanwhile, On October 22 2016 05:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
btnd hardconfirmed town btw What made you say this? Why you voted TT? what might have he have done around the time i said that? and why would i think that? because i thought it very likely he was mafia, that's usually how we do This is basically a dodge lol. If you can account someone to 100% confirmed town you must have solid reasons to back it up. In this case what are your reasons pls quote some specific stuff. Thanks for mafia 101, you were lynching Vivax who's your 100% scumread and u switch to tt because you feel he's scum at the time yeah thanks that doesnt add up. Why you voted TT? yes its a dodge, gj, but you're scummy so i'd rather get a read on you. I have solid reasons, i just didn't post them. vivax is 100% scum now but was he really my 100% scumread then? is that your final answer?
Are you a troll? Otherwise im having the most difficult time understanding you.
You didn't ask me anything.
You call me scummy but you're the hiding your reasons for voting for a particular person.
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##Vote: Vivax
Fuck this game.
I'm just gona ignore everyone and kill mafia from now on. Yeah, you don't like me? Go ahead lynch me, it will work you wonders. Afk till Vivax and Koshi are dead, suit yourselves.
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On October 23 2016 07:43 Acrofales wrote:Then skynx jumped over you to do something to btdt. @skynx: why did you attack btdt?
Your methods of reaching conclusions are faulty. I attacked iamp.
But why do you ask me a question in vain when you already made up your mind about my alignment and why do i even bother replying at all i have no idea fuck this.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Skynx
I hope i can die before Vivax and Koshi so some guys who are bad can feel bad.
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On October 23 2016 22:31 iamperfection wrote:
Like you better be mafia man.......I just don't understand
Lemme give you a hint: Tictock.
Does anyone even know why they wanna vote Skynx?
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Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
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On October 23 2016 22:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote:
Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
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On October 23 2016 22:44 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 22:43 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 22:38 iamperfection wrote:On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote:
Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it? Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it. I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause. Did you take dmg last night?
I took 8 yeah
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On October 23 2016 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 22:33 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 22:31 iamperfection wrote:
Like you better be mafia man.......I just don't understand Lemme give you a hint: Tictock. Does anyone even know why they wanna vote Skynx? *raises hand* me me me! Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 17:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 23 2016 17:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2016 17:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 23 2016 17:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2016 16:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 23 2016 16:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2016 16:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So you're just sheeping others, got it.
Anyone else? I defer to his filter...like the fact that you need to ask reflects extremely poorly on you artanis. So, seeing if this wagon is anything other than a mindless sheepfest reflects extremely poorly on me? Really? Yes, failing to read a (literally) 1 page filter reflects poorly upon you. Cry about it more so we can shoot you in the face. I didn't know it was a 1-page filter when I asked. I just got up and was looking to get an actual conversation going to get into the game. Stop being a dick please. Vivax is first choice of lynch. Pretend he's already dead. Koshi claims he has a double lynch ability. Find a 2nd wagon to push. I have my vote on Skynx right now, so start there perhaps. Reading Skynx now. On October 21 2016 04:07 Skynx wrote:I'm reading some other people, in particular disliking Tubesock and BillMurray: On October 20 2016 22:36 Tubesock wrote:
I like Acrofales, Exo, Wave
Not sure who I'd lynch.
I liked Acrofales response to iamperfections coordination attempt. Although I do think coordination is a good thing, perfection didn't invest much effort into thinkinng HOW to do it. Nor did he ask for ideas on how to do it. It could have easily been a fishing expedition and he quickly saw it was opposed and dropped it.
Exo's prob town because of what everyone else already said.
Wave mostly cause he doesn't seem to care what he posts. I feel like these are just reads that come out of absolutely nowhere. On October 21 2016 03:06 Holyflare wrote:On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote:
ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells
1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia
2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town
the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support
dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest
##Vote: WaveofShadow This looks extremely forced and a terrible post just in general. Bad play all round really. I like this, machanic based read to actually seriously put a vote on someone is super bad. Also a cheeky townread on exo aswell, alignment of which has absolutely nothing to do with WoS's claim hints. Hate his callout of Tube. Calls Tube out on reads that supposedly come out of nowhere whilst they're explained in the very post whilst posting reads that come out of nowhere. He's targetting a buncha people but they're all people with little thread presence (TS, BM, LT) whilst townreading players with high thread presence (mainly WoS and HF). Went after Hopeless, but that was before he stepped up. Had TT as a strong TR but apparently didn't really do anything to change anyone's minds. He's also being a lot more antagonistic than he was in his last game where he showed some confidence in the early game but then played a laid back style. Feels tonally different. In the newbie game, he worked with people and clearly worked with people. Compare the tone from his last towngame: On September 25 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This, plus there's Shutter's first post: On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me. So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai. So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this... On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
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I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?  Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. [quote] Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: [quote] Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. [quote] Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. [quote] What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
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Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo. To this: On October 23 2016 03:05 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 02:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote:
Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker.
Prots on btdt+ptmc. Wat Terrible Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it. I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target. People use your own discretion with your abilities. Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there? Absolutely. Problem? Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure. btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%. There's a lot more abrasiveness in there. It reminds me of Breshke whom was a lot more abrasive as scum than as town, though I'll need to check and make sure. One thing that does speak in Skynx' favour is that he's going after a lot of different people, but his reads are fairly static. He also seems fixated on how bad the TT lynch was and connecting people with that, using it as an excuse rather than trying to actually progress the game forward. ##Vote Skynx
So your case comes down to:
1) I went after tubesock for reasons i posted and you think thats not enough. Well thats a shame you hurt my feelings but I'll get over it dw.
2) I pick low hanging fruits that do nothing as a target. Well there is a difference. Rels/Evereince was total afk, those 3 you said were here but ignored the game while being here. That is mafia indicative.
3) You say i didn't protect TT. You clearly haven't read D1 at all apparently, HF first made plain his dislike of TT and i immediately questioned him, along with WoS (i think). He mocked our questions, ignored us and went ahead and lynched him when i wasn't here. Not much i can do, first i wasnt here, second HF is HF and will lynch town and ppl will follow him for whatever reason.
4) Ah what a lovely meta read. Did you also notice that i was a doctor in that game? And my antics led mafia to consider me to be the last person to be a doctor?
Did you read any other games of me being town where im also aggressive and borderline scum?
Apparently not.
So all of this is invalid and you just wanna scumread me cuz my filtet is bad but you want to look like you have some sort of reasoning behind so you dont look scummy and the town will most likely buy this cuz they are bad.
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On October 23 2016 22:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 22:43 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 22:38 iamperfection wrote:On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote:
Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it? Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it. I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause. I'm not yet convinced you're definitely scum. And Artanis thinking you're scum isn't going to convince anybody. So just keep playing. Clearly everybody missed your reads, so tell us who, in addition to Vivax, should be lynched today?
As i replied to you in the night when you asked why Vivax is a good vigshot target: if we try to lynch Vivax we absolutely cannot afford to compromise. He will not defend himself and he objectively cant at this point. People will jump off the ship because they are bored or wanna get some more info or whatever and start going after people that are here and can defend themselves and thats when shit happens like D1 and someone else magically gets lynched.
Vivax has to die, you know why.
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Also @Koshi,
You are delusional + scum.
I defended you cuz it was early in the game and you could redeem yourself. You gave me a big middle finger and then i voted you cuz i told u to step up.
Thats not what we call "defends me then wants to lynch me out of nowhere"
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Meh maybe i can play afterall...
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Scum: Vivax, Koshi
Lynch after the two above: Art, Tube, SL, H1D
iamp i no longer think you are scum, you are a good guy and progress the game with an open mind.
LT and BM can go fuck themselves cuz they do nothing but i demote them to null since some ppl dont like me going after low hanging fruits.
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Lemme get my computer actually
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My internet sucks so im stuck on phone
1) Tubes reasons came out of nowhere imo, thats like just your opinion man.
2) Are you reading at all? LT and BM were being scummy, yeah goodjob town we didnt go after a low hanging fruit and we lynched one of the more apparent townies in the game wp.
3) I didn't, i wasn't here for rest of the day.
4) Lol there i was tunneling town!you and you quote that? I grew a lot as a player since then and thats definitely not one of my good pushes at all.
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Sry that was adressed at this, im at phone so scrollimg is hard
On October 23 2016 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 22:57 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 23 2016 22:33 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 22:31 iamperfection wrote:
Like you better be mafia man.......I just don't understand Lemme give you a hint: Tictock. Does anyone even know why they wanna vote Skynx? *raises hand* me me me! On October 23 2016 17:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 23 2016 17:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2016 17:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 23 2016 17:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2016 16:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 23 2016 16:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2016 16:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So you're just sheeping others, got it.
Anyone else? I defer to his filter...like the fact that you need to ask reflects extremely poorly on you artanis. So, seeing if this wagon is anything other than a mindless sheepfest reflects extremely poorly on me? Really? Yes, failing to read a (literally) 1 page filter reflects poorly upon you. Cry about it more so we can shoot you in the face. I didn't know it was a 1-page filter when I asked. I just got up and was looking to get an actual conversation going to get into the game. Stop being a dick please. Vivax is first choice of lynch. Pretend he's already dead. Koshi claims he has a double lynch ability. Find a 2nd wagon to push. I have my vote on Skynx right now, so start there perhaps. Reading Skynx now. On October 21 2016 04:07 Skynx wrote:I'm reading some other people, in particular disliking Tubesock and BillMurray: On October 20 2016 22:36 Tubesock wrote:
I like Acrofales, Exo, Wave
Not sure who I'd lynch.
I liked Acrofales response to iamperfections coordination attempt. Although I do think coordination is a good thing, perfection didn't invest much effort into thinkinng HOW to do it. Nor did he ask for ideas on how to do it. It could have easily been a fishing expedition and he quickly saw it was opposed and dropped it.
Exo's prob town because of what everyone else already said.
Wave mostly cause he doesn't seem to care what he posts. I feel like these are just reads that come out of absolutely nowhere. On October 21 2016 03:06 Holyflare wrote:On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote:
ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells
1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia
2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town
the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support
dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest
##Vote: WaveofShadow This looks extremely forced and a terrible post just in general. Bad play all round really. I like this, machanic based read to actually seriously put a vote on someone is super bad. Also a cheeky townread on exo aswell, alignment of which has absolutely nothing to do with WoS's claim hints. Hate his callout of Tube. Calls Tube out on reads that supposedly come out of nowhere whilst they're explained in the very post whilst posting reads that come out of nowhere. He's targetting a buncha people but they're all people with little thread presence (TS, BM, LT) whilst townreading players with high thread presence (mainly WoS and HF). Went after Hopeless, but that was before he stepped up. Had TT as a strong TR but apparently didn't really do anything to change anyone's minds. He's also being a lot more antagonistic than he was in his last game where he showed some confidence in the early game but then played a laid back style. Feels tonally different. In the newbie game, he worked with people and clearly worked with people. Compare the tone from his last towngame: On September 25 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him. On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This, plus there's Shutter's first post: On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me. So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai. So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this... On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. [quote] Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: [quote] Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. [quote] Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. [quote] What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
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Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
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I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo. To this: On October 23 2016 03:05 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 02:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote:
Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker.
Prots on btdt+ptmc. Wat Terrible Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it. I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target. People use your own discretion with your abilities. Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there? Absolutely. Problem? Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure. btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%. There's a lot more abrasiveness in there. It reminds me of Breshke whom was a lot more abrasive as scum than as town, though I'll need to check and make sure. One thing that does speak in Skynx' favour is that he's going after a lot of different people, but his reads are fairly static. He also seems fixated on how bad the TT lynch was and connecting people with that, using it as an excuse rather than trying to actually progress the game forward. ##Vote Skynx So your case comes down to: 1) I went after tubesock for reasons i posted and you think thats not enough. Well thats a shame you hurt my feelings but I'll get over it dw. 2) I pick low hanging fruits that do nothing as a target. Well there is a difference. Rels/Evereince was total afk, those 3 you said were here but ignored the game while being here. That is mafia indicative. 3) You say i didn't protect TT. You clearly haven't read D1 at all apparently, HF first made plain his dislike of TT and i immediately questioned him, along with WoS (i think). He mocked our questions, ignored us and went ahead and lynched him when i wasn't here. Not much i can do, first i wasnt here, second HF is HF and will lynch town and ppl will follow him for whatever reason. 4) Ah what a lovely meta read. Did you also notice that i was a doctor in that game? And my antics led mafia to consider me to be the last person to be a doctor? Did you read any other games of me being town where im also aggressive and borderline scum? Apparently not. So all of this is invalid and you just wanna scumread me cuz my filtet is bad but you want to look like you have some sort of reasoning behind so you dont look scummy and the town will most likely buy this cuz they are bad. 1) You didn't really post reasons for disliking Tubesock. You just said his reads came out of nowhere when they really didn't. 2) Going after complete afks will never get anyone to join you. You went after the low hanging fruit that people would actually lynch. 3) Other than this, where did you do anything to protect TT after HF's case? Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 03:24 Skynx wrote:On October 22 2016 03:09 Holyflare wrote:
I think Ticktock would be a great lynch. I disagree, what are your reasons for thinking so? I don't see anything. 4) I have played with you before in Presidential Election as well. In that game, you were also a lot more.. diplomatic in the way you treated your reads. For example: Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 01:36 Skynx wrote:Wow Art kinda fucked up hard imo: 20 posts of trolling and fluff followed by this all of a sudden: On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote:
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Do you want to bear that responsibility? Awesome joke, 10/10 The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote:
I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out. Who'd you lynch? Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote:On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote:
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Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. So this is super weak, it actually reminds me of myself in newbie game going for an easy mislynch. On June 25 2016 09:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 09:01 Tumblewood wrote:On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
So... are we past the BS stage or not? On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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The puns are getting unbearable already. 5/7, keep growling ftfy This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it. Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK. So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why? On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote:
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Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote:On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:
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I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting. I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all. You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so. I believe there's a good chance you're mafia. idk what narrative is but this is narrative don't like this read at all, feels forced It's a tone-based read. On June 25 2016 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Well I just went through QT's filter on his previous game and apparently he's been lynched a lot. I didn't find anything like the tonally inconsistent thing that I pinged out though, and lynchbait rolls mafia too so eh.
Anyway, only a few hours into D1. We'll see what develops. QT expressed that he doesn't like the random voting stage/silliness going on. QT expresses it again. Makes a joke instantly afterwards. None of that is narrative. It's tonally inconsistent. This post is quite bait, he's trying to make up for parts i bolded because they are not one bit indicative of QT being scum. Looks like a panic move. Moosy and Tumble points this out and Art switches to this: On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce  I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. On June 25 2016 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm just going to let someone else deal with you because apparently asking clarifying questions is now scummy and it's very tiring. I actually think you're town but I was trying to UNDERSTAND what was going on there. That's a lot of back and forth there. Your push was a quite serious one, you have to back it up with something or just admit you were trying to bait. Either way, the manner in which you abandon your scumread feels way to panicky to me. On June 25 2016 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm pretty comfortable to call quick twist town right at the moment.
I think Artanis pushes on quick twist are kinda unnatural, but it's mostly a gut feel M8 you're not going to get me mislynched no matter how hard you try. Just give up on the plans before you give yourself away. This is also not ok, if you're gona attack someone please have some basis behind it. GB's posts were all good up to that point, why try to divide the town? Looks a lot different than the post I quoted earlier. Yes, you can be aggressive in that you go after people, but the tone is completely different.
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On October 23 2016 23:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 23:01 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 22:47 Acrofales wrote:On October 23 2016 22:43 Skynx wrote:On October 23 2016 22:38 iamperfection wrote:On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote:
Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it? Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it. I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause. I'm not yet convinced you're definitely scum. And Artanis thinking you're scum isn't going to convince anybody. So just keep playing. Clearly everybody missed your reads, so tell us who, in addition to Vivax, should be lynched today? As i replied to you in the night when you asked why Vivax is a good vigshot target: if we try to lynch Vivax we absolutely cannot afford to compromise. He will not defend himself and he objectively cant at this point. People will jump off the ship because they are bored or wanna get some more info or whatever and start going after people that are here and can defend themselves and thats when shit happens like D1 and someone else magically gets lynched. Vivax has to die, you know why. Ok. I completely agree with you. List the following players from scummiest to towniest, and explain why. Hama WoS H1der Dandel Ion Lunatic Lord Tolkien
WoS is town quite objectively, not lynching him any time soon.
Hama is nonexistent, barely on activity requirement, i dont remember one memorable post. Does this make him mafia? Not sure, but hanging low when there are so many scummy ppl might come in handy. Null
LT is troll, much like moosy he can be vigged or pressured to get reads or something. Not necessarily mafia but done nothing towny either. Null
Dandel is on my re-read list cuz we exchanged some thoughts and he was so eager to sr me while ignoring everything i said. I'm not a fan of him but as i said not a strong read until i re-reaf. Null to scumlean.
Lunatic is very scummy, i actually forgot him on my list previous page. He sheeped btdt for Koshi, then gone after HF for shits and giggles. Didn't do anything else, not a lot of opinions on anyone else playing. Scumlean
H1D would originally my top scum but taking WoS into account i'll give him a re-read. On hold right now.
Please exchange H1D with Lunatic on my list for now.
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Well except for artanis and maybe SL
Swap H1D with Luna there i completely forgot about him.
Why everyone seems to think Tube is town i dont get but i'll re-read sure.
Oh yeah i forgot ritoky was scummy aswell.
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