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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2016 23:17 GMT
#5233
Meh I can't decide between BM and TS.
My guts tell me BM is mafia.

##vote BM

WoS did you greencheck BM yesterday? Did you hint that?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 08:49 GMT
#5372
Not sure how I can even be mafia but kuddos for entertaining the idea.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 08:50 GMT
#5373
On November 04 2016 13:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
So...Koshi's ability is scummy.
Artanis having to survive a 'duel' with him doesn't say much on his own, but everything I said about his ability earlier in the game still rings true.

The fact that he can essentially arbitrarily deal lethal or near-lethal damage to a target people are voting for without them knowing how they died is an amazing scum ability and a mediocre town one.

That's not how it works. I have to duel somebody well before the deadline and both players get notified they entered a duel. Then we both get damage based on how many votes we have on us+ additional damage EoD. (which is not explained to the person getting dueled, just that we are dueling).

It is easily possible both people survive the duel. That's why I asked as many people as possible to vote Lunatic. And it is confirmed by Artanis his role saying "survive the duel".
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 08:54 GMT
#5374
List of people who all townread me and end up dieing during night:

beentheredonethat killed night 2 as the Shadow Fiend!
ptmc killed night 3 as the Juggernaut!
Hopeless1der killed night 3 as the Oracle!
iamperfection killed night 4 as the Centaur Warrunner!
sicklucker killed night 4 as the Bloodseeker!



Yet people who scumread me never died.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 08:57 GMT
#5375
But it's fine. Glad to be able to play town like this.

My lynch order is BM --> Tubesock.


If you lynch me today you can go for the 50/50 tomorrow.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:01 GMT
#5376
Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote:
ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells

1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia
2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town

the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support
dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest
##Vote: WaveofShadow


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 20 2016 14:15 Bill Murray wrote:
im kind of curious about ritoky but that might just be off and i could be wrong. just a gut feeling something is wrong with one or two posts he made. one of him or hopeless will prob be maf - i dont think both are maf given their interactions. even i could be wrong ..i dont think i am

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:07 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:01 iamperfection wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:00 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:55 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:50 iamperfection wrote:
the fact that you would point it out


Why wouldn't I point it out? I'm sure I'm not the only player here who is familiar with dota, and can realize what he's alluding to. And this early basically coming out and claiming it, is something doctor wouldn't do. Which means in my view he's lying, and I want him to explain it.

crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse.


Crumbing would be like walking into a bar wearing a dark coat and sitting in a shadowy corner, leaving a note on a table. What he's doing is just short of bursting open the doors to the bar, stark naked announcing he has arrived.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's not town, but I do think he is lying. Unless he's just really dumb (in my opinion)

he is a lol player


So a big problem is how familiar he is with dota. I think it would be stupid to claim doctor right away as I said, but assuming he's town why fake claim? He would have to know enough about dota to know wave of shadow is a dazzle spell, and that dazzle also has the shallow grave spell, which would lead someone to draw the conclusion that he is the doctor.

hmmm idk. I do think he's lying, but if he isn't super knowledgeable about dota it would give a little bit of support to the idea that he was telling the truth.

I'm a bit conflicted now. He's either lying or really dumb town. And I think if he's lying he's more likely to be scum lying.

yeah no WoS is probably scum; don't be conflicted
you have a good case because it's exactly what i was thinking i just couldnt put it to words the way you did

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
and now hes crumbing spirit breaker.

what, where?!

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:24 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:09 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:08 iamperfection wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:07 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:01 iamperfection wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:00 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:55 ExO_ wrote:
[quote]

Why wouldn't I point it out? I'm sure I'm not the only player here who is familiar with dota, and can realize what he's alluding to. And this early basically coming out and claiming it, is something doctor wouldn't do. Which means in my view he's lying, and I want him to explain it.

crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse.


Crumbing would be like walking into a bar wearing a dark coat and sitting in a shadowy corner, leaving a note on a table. What he's doing is just short of bursting open the doors to the bar, stark naked announcing he has arrived.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's not town, but I do think he is lying. Unless he's just really dumb (in my opinion)

he is a lol player


So a big problem is how familiar he is with dota. I think it would be stupid to claim doctor right away as I said, but assuming he's town why fake claim? He would have to know enough about dota to know wave of shadow is a dazzle spell, and that dazzle also has the shallow grave spell, which would lead someone to draw the conclusion that he is the doctor.

hmmm idk. I do think he's lying, but if he isn't super knowledgeable about dota it would give a little bit of support to the idea that he was telling the truth.

I'm a bit conflicted now. He's either lying or really dumb town. And I think if he's lying he's more likely to be scum lying.

no i was just saying he is a lol player so he probably is dumb. i saw an opportunity to make a lol joke and i took it.


Oh. Well what I'm saying still stands.

WaveOfShadow how familiar with dota are you? And why are you lying about implying doc?

I'm liking this line of questioning less and less. There's no proof he "lied", nor is there proof that he claimed dazzle. He could be claiming shadow demon or nevermore, both heroes that could require extended time to ramp up their abilities in a flavor context, thus justifying his request to 'keep me alive'.


I'm asking him directly to explain himself. There is no proof, but it would be very easy for WoS to come in and say "I didn't claim dazzle". It would be very easy. And yet he didn't say that. You're literally making a defense for him, when he won't defend himself.

I don't think asking for a little explanation is too much at all.

i dont think hes defending him so much as hes attacking your credibility
dont sweat it you came to a good conclusion
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:27 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:24 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:09 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:08 iamperfection wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:07 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:01 iamperfection wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:00 ExO_ wrote:
[quote]

Crumbing would be like walking into a bar wearing a dark coat and sitting in a shadowy corner, leaving a note on a table. What he's doing is just short of bursting open the doors to the bar, stark naked announcing he has arrived.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's not town, but I do think he is lying. Unless he's just really dumb (in my opinion)

he is a lol player


So a big problem is how familiar he is with dota. I think it would be stupid to claim doctor right away as I said, but assuming he's town why fake claim? He would have to know enough about dota to know wave of shadow is a dazzle spell, and that dazzle also has the shallow grave spell, which would lead someone to draw the conclusion that he is the doctor.

hmmm idk. I do think he's lying, but if he isn't super knowledgeable about dota it would give a little bit of support to the idea that he was telling the truth.

I'm a bit conflicted now. He's either lying or really dumb town. And I think if he's lying he's more likely to be scum lying.

no i was just saying he is a lol player so he probably is dumb. i saw an opportunity to make a lol joke and i took it.


Oh. Well what I'm saying still stands.

WaveOfShadow how familiar with dota are you? And why are you lying about implying doc?

I'm liking this line of questioning less and less. There's no proof he "lied", nor is there proof that he claimed dazzle. He could be claiming shadow demon or nevermore, both heroes that could require extended time to ramp up their abilities in a flavor context, thus justifying his request to 'keep me alive'.


I'm asking him directly to explain himself. There is no proof, but it would be very easy for WoS to come in and say "I didn't claim dazzle". It would be very easy. And yet he didn't say that. You're literally making a defense for him, when he won't defend himself.

I don't think asking for a little explanation is too much at all.

he basically claimed spirit breaker. Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow.


That's a bit of a stretch. Not a connection I think anybody would make, and one you are only making now that he said mooo. Really? Why didn't he just come out and say "I'm not claiming dazzle" right away?

this scramble from hopeless based on that feels like maf have coached WoS to not piss the bed - like he wanted to have soft claimed dazzle to win a healer on healer lynch later on in the game which can secure a win

THIS feels like potential deflecting off of that claim - a WoS lynch will get a ton of information out there ... if he flips red im going to be pushing for hopeless

I also HATE hopeless claim that he just made ... fishier than ritoky x10 so if you held a gun to my head id vote out WoS and hopeless at this point. if im wrong and hopeless is town ritoky is prob maf. you dont have to like me , like how i play, or even like dota (lol) but regardless of how illogical this sounds im right [usually]

Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 20 2016 14:27 Bill Murray wrote:
also dandelion is town


Who thought both Koshi and Lunatic were town? Nobody but this guy:
On October 21 2016 08:20 Bill Murray wrote:
I like lunatic man so far I think he's town... his posts are attacking koshi. I am going to look into him next as well . Phone posting so hard to consolidate sorry if I'm gonna be spamming but I want to contribute

On October 21 2016 08:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Koshi is coming across as genuine to me. I don't think hes mafia . Pretty strong town read on him actually so I think lunatics looking in the wrong direction

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:03 GMT
#5377
Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 21 2016 08:27 Bill Murray wrote:
Rels , and tictock are just avoiding mod kills. Hate hate hate players who play that way d1. Let's scum slip into d2 a la foolishness style mafia play [the diamond league player who helps out in mafia forums here]


Discrediting town:
On October 21 2016 08:31 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:06 Holyflare wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote:
ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells

1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia
2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town

the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support
dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest
##Vote: WaveofShadow


This looks extremely forced and a terrible post just in general. Bad play all round really.

yeah no. ##vote holyflare your style is off from Your town play . Even if you're town you're going to be disruptive. You're not town tho so toodles


Literally dafuq:
On October 21 2016 08:37 Bill Murray wrote:
Skynx is either town or the mafia calling the shots


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 21 2016 10:20 Bill Murray wrote:
Tictock maf

On October 21 2016 10:23 Bill Murray wrote:
Tictock doesn't post like this as town


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 21 2016 10:30 Bill Murray wrote:
Ok wave and exo u all are both town imo what r we gonna go with ? I like ur idea wave on stacking attacks ... I already sent mine in on tictock but I want to change it now


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 21 2016 14:07 Bill Murray wrote:
Exo and wave are both town so we three should work together by the way . Exo ur right day 1 is tough for town . Wave isn't trying to be an ass hole to you though he's just trying to get you to see the light. It's just a misunderstanding.. he's red haired I mean I guess he's Irish and I'm part Welsh so I know that when we get caught doing something even if we have non scummy intentions we kinda break down and just freeze up ... the dazzle thing idk why he did it but my gut is telling me that concentrating on who is what hero is just going to let scum hide behind game mechanics and engineering which isn't good doe

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:07 GMT
#5378
Distancing:
On October 24 2016 05:52 Bill Murray wrote:
I don't even know why everyone was voting vivax


How was this legit in his mind?:
On October 25 2016 08:28 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2016 07:35 Koshi wrote:
Ritoky/Vivax/Sicklucker/Lunatic/skynx

Endgame cred.

Afkers like Humahama/LT can be replaced with 1

Seems legit



Not sure what this is about but did BM ask a heal? Isn't he now claiming he can heal himself during day?
On October 25 2016 08:28 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2016 08:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Bill no one's going to heal you.

If we're healing anyone, it's ironically going to be koshi.

Whatever


Why isn't he healing here?:
On October 25 2016 08:28 Bill Murray wrote:
Should I attack vivax or sick cause I'm leaning towArds sick


So he can heal/shield and do some sort of check?
On October 25 2016 08:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Koshi hit artanis for 5 dmg


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 25 2016 08:56 Bill Murray wrote:
So hopeless hasn't moved much. I bet he's casting abilities. Could easily have been the scum who cast the no lynch


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 25 2016 09:00 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 21:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm radiant for anyone that cares

Lynch this next

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:13 GMT
#5379
This doesn't make sense, guilt or something?:
On October 25 2016 09:00 Bill Murray wrote:
Scum slip on that <for anyone that cares> plus I'm dire and I'm town

On October 25 2016 09:01 Bill Murray wrote:
Not that radiant dire matters bUT that's the point his flippant for anyone that cares screams scum to me


Shows he is reading and thinking about what others think, mafia treat:
On October 25 2016 10:21 Bill Murray wrote:
People's reads are all over the place this game


Short end of stick with 3 confirmed abilities?:
On October 25 2016 12:28 Bill Murray wrote:
lets talk about whos scum not whether or not this game is good or not
i personally enjoy games with a lot of abilities but its all good... seems i got the short end of the stick but oh well


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 26 2016 15:27 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 15:17 sicklucker wrote:
anyone who didnt attack vivax last night is probably not town. I mean bm I hard defended you all game but this is absurd

oh shut up
he was obviously going to be lynched and i dont trust youre not scum with that post restriction ability


The following chain does not make sense, there are only 3 posts between these 2 and 1 was that one↑:
1) he tells sicklucker not to give away somebody his hp (= reads sicklucker town)
2) attacked sicklucker that night
On October 25 2016 10:26 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2016 10:23 Lord Tolkien wrote:
How much HP does wave have sicklucker, since you said you checked it

DON'T ANSWER THAT.

On October 26 2016 12:45 Bill Murray wrote:
So I attacked sick lucker last night. I meant to switch it and forgot. And no acrofales I don't keep forgetting to send my action in I just do it late like 5:04 a couple times. Even yesterday I meant to switch my action off sicklucker to vivax but where we are lynching him idk idk


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 26 2016 15:27 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 15:17 sicklucker wrote:
anyone who didnt attack vivax last night is probably not town. I mean bm I hard defended you all game but this is absurd

oh shut up
he was obviously going to be lynched and i dont trust youre not scum with that post restriction ability

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:24 GMT
#5380
Excuses:
On October 26 2016 15:29 Bill Murray wrote:
i feel like im missing something important in this game


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 26 2016 17:03 Bill Murray wrote:
i like exo's ts read a lot


4th spell, probably passive on basic attacks?:
On October 29 2016 13:01 Bill Murray wrote:
my attacks make the person i attack do 50% less damage that same phase


Excuses + not true at all from seeing his filter:
On October 29 2016 13:12 Bill Murray wrote:
granted the game is 230 pages long and ive only read like 65 of them (not counting filter diving)


Pushing mafia agenda + doesnt make sense with what he said eariler:
On October 29 2016 13:24 Bill Murray wrote:
i dont trust wave


Pushing mafia agenda:
On October 29 2016 13:48 Bill Murray wrote:
i feel like WoS is doing a fake check to end the game for maf win




The guy has been pushing mafia agenda the entire game unpunished. Does a play with his spells and gets a free townread...

Has anybody actually received heals btw? Because abbaddon can't heal himself, yet BM claims to heal himself during days. Fake claim so he can do damage during EoD?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:27 GMT
#5381
Has anybody actually received heals btw? Because abbaddon can't heal himself, yet BM claims to heal himself during days. Fake claim so he can do damage during EoD?


This is so good. Abaddon death coil can heal allies and damage enemies while hurting himself, but can never heal himself. Yet he claims he can heal himself. Abaddon + Omni works in that aspect.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:37 GMT
#5382
There are so many reasons why I can't be mafia this game.

1) Just the atmosphere there was when I was under fire D1, nobody defended me, I was alone, and then even with my double lynch people kept attacking me, some of them mafia, some of them town. That never happens to a townie.

2) People that townread me died, people that did damage to me survived. Best example is btdt and Tubesock. btdt died the second he townread me.

3) Double lynch. + it being revealed in Artanis his role. If it was secret and mafia, it wouldn't just fucking show up in the Viper role PM. But it literally balances the Night stalker ulti. Nothing else in this game does. And I claimed my double lynch from D1/N1.....

4) Activity went up the longer we played. Always other way around when I am mafia.

5) My reads being good but also not that good. I also always had a full view on the game, while as mafia I always just scumread 1-2 people and try to make it as far as I can. Read my previous games.

6) I never bus hard. NEVER, not once in the past 3 times I rolled mafia. How I pushed Vivax, Skynx and Exo. I always try to win with as many mafia left alive. Again, read my previous games. And I also didn't push them to get cred btw, they were in my PoE pool, especially ExO was like on/off and I still said we should kill him. As mafia I always push that idea away with my towncred. That's how I play mafia, I gain towncred and push mafia agenda. I didn't do that here at all.



Like... I am never mafia this game. I looked too mehish the entire game while still solving it pretty well.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:38 GMT
#5383
ebwop
1) Just the atmosphere there was when I was under fire D1, nobody defended me, I was alone, and then even with my double lynch people kept attacking me, some of them mafia, some of them town. That never happens unless you are a townie.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:38 GMT
#5384
Wanted to write unless to a townie probably.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:39 GMT
#5385
I am also sure that the way I claimed my double lynch and used it was 100% pro town and a mafia would never do it like that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:40 GMT
#5386
As a team it would be used so differently. Oh well.
If you lynch me this is pretty ridiculous.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:42 GMT
#5387
Never in this game did I do 1 thing that would gain me towncred btw.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:43 GMT
#5388
Like blatantly give me towncred by doing x.

I never did "x".

While as mafia I do nothing else to try and do x as many times I can.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:45 GMT
#5389
BM is obvious mafia.

1) Pushed mafia agenda the entire game.
2) Something happened during night that "confirms" him town.
3) Sheeps strong townie onto other townie and tries to bind his fate/allignment to that generally townread townie.


That is how mafia plays.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2016 09:46 GMT
#5390
For me this game is solved and I am going to stop posting now because I have like 20 posts in a row.
I had a good night of sleep.
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