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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 26 2016 17:30 GMT
#4001
though that would be a bit of an odd thing to forget on the first try of making a scumteam list
hm
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 17:37 GMT
#4002
On October 27 2016 00:06 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 22:11 Koshi wrote:
On October 26 2016 22:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 21:59 Koshi wrote:
On October 26 2016 07:07 ritoky wrote:
This town is such a trainwreck that they are probably going to lose before I can complete my win condition, so I sacrificed a night of cloning to use this sentry ward that I somehow got. Koshi should have been a prime target for information but people are mind-bogglingly dumb I suppose.

Unless there is also a 3p vendor in the game it is the hosts.

Oh you were right he did 'just get it.'
that is weird.


I'm still not concerning myself with 3P claims over sure scum yet.

Ignoring them is bad play. Look at iamp in Palmar Themed game.
Pressure them hard and learn everything they can do or kill them.
Then they are forced to claim everything or play against their wincon.

This makes sense. And Koshi can be scum AND saying these things at the same time. I'm so happy

What a shit comment.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 17:43 GMT
#4003
On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote:
WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman

Probs mafia team

Vivax, Acrofoles, skynx, ritoky, lunaticman
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 26 2016 17:43 GMT
#4004
On October 27 2016 00:34 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 23:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I ask all of you willingness to interact with me. I have 5 pages of filter, it's not that much to read, and if you keep ignoring me/tunneled on me and not willing to reconsider your positions I'll just peace out and let you lose to goddammn obv Mafia

Oi Cara. Tudo bem?


Tudo bem. Beijos
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 17:47 GMT
#4005
On October 26 2016 15:49 ExO_ wrote:
The first thing I notice is this. On day 1 we had:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2016 03:39 disformation wrote:
Vote Count - Day 1


Vivax (5): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lunaticman (4): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Koshi (3): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx
ritoky (2): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
Kurumi (2): Kurumi, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Bill Murray
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
Lord Tolkien (1): Kurumi
Tictock (1); Vivax
Rels (0): Vivax
ptmc (0): WaveofShadow
Skynx (0): Koshi, Acrofales
iamperfection (0): Acrofales
Holyflare (0): Bill Murray
beentheredonethat (0): Dandel Ion, WaveofShadow
Hopeless1der (0): Koshi, Acrofales, Skynx
ExO_ (0): Dandel Ion, iamperfection

Not voted (4): Tictock, Rels, Eversince, WaveofShadow

It looks like Vivax is about to be owned.
Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.



HF came in and voted TT, and then you have iamp, Tubesock, Dandel, Ritoky all within 5 minutes of each other. This made him the lead wagon at 7 votes, with lunatic man being 2nd closest at 3. Tubesock then bails for Koshi, a few other random votes happen, before BM/Koshi/bndt all come in to seal the deal.

On day 2 Vivax was basically a lock, before lunatic started really picking up some steam. TS says some really interesting things in this time period:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 25 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote:
I don't think Lunatic is mafia. But I don't have any solid reasons. Mostly I didn't like the wagon yesterday.

##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax

##Vote: Skynx


On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote:
I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads.

Towns:
beentheredonethat
1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF)
I think that's it.

Scums:
HolyFlare
Koshi
(if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF)

I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him.

He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that.

I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc.

I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town.

Lunaticman is town.


+ Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] +
On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote:
I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual.

#Vote Koshi


+ Show Spoiler [towns beenthere] +
On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote:
The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now.

+ Show Spoiler [Fear reads HF, next post scums HF] +
On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote:
HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you.

On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one

at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean


Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.

Also ritoky is definitely mafia.


That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play.

Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi.

+ Show Spoiler [angst spirit] +
On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one

at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean


Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.

Also ritoky is definitely mafia.


Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi.

Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that.


Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around.

HF is obviously trying to make me look scum.

On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
Holyflare, you've been in a game scum with Koshi and town with Koshi. Please skim his filter and tell me if you also think he's scum.


I already mentioned he could be mafia, yes.

I'd like you to talk about other people though.


Covering for your scum buddy I see.

+ Show Spoiler [defensive] +
On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna

hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?


I didn't buss anyone.


What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?


I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.

On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 04:48 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna

hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?


I didn't buss anyone.


What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?


I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.


So omgus?


haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.

+ Show Spoiler [More HF Scum] +
On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
Scummy:

Skynx (list post struck me as wrong but can't place finger on it)
Lunaticman (crap tunnel based on nothing followed by nothing)
ExO_ (why)
Kurumi
Vivax
Koshi
GlowingBear
WaveofShadow



Null:

Bill Murray (said atrocious things all game but some hidden le gems)

Artanis (maybe up to scummy soon)

Btdt (artanis making me hesitant but deadline stuff was scummy)

Hamazura (need more)

Acrofales (not read at all but i don't think towny whenever read what he says)

ritoky (i think he tried to pocket me with gb/luna read but playing too stiff maybe move to scummy)

Lord Tolkien (hesitant to remove but probably should based on dmg on wave)

Tubesock (zzzz?)



HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi.

You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.

For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing.

A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not.

On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.

You're all talk and no substance.


Chill, maybe I was a bit vague.

I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not.

For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader.

Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective.

The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose.

+ Show Spoiler [Koshi/Art 1 is mafia] +
On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote:
There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3

On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote:
Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.


The really interesting thing here is these posts are about 50 minutes apart. Instead of seeing something then drawing a conclusion based on what he saw, TS first drew the conclusion that lunaticman is town, then found the evidence to back it up.

I find TS highly suspicious.He hops off the Vivax wagon (after being the first to vote him), and then he hops off the TT wagon day 1 as soon as it got a majority. He defends lunaticman as the lunatic wagon is gaining steam on day 2. And then surprise No lynch on day 2. I think this heavily implicates Tubesock. I could see Lunaticman being either scum or town here. It makes a lot more sense to me if Lunaticman is scum, as it would explain why day 2 ends without a lynch with the threat of Koshi's Double lynch. However for me to accept this idea Koshi has to be telling the truth. I can't stand playing with Koshi b/c of how intolerable he is to everyone. It makes me think he's a lying and scum even when he is telling the truth.

On the other side of the coin, I could also see TS making a case for Lunaticman in an attempt to earn towncred for later. But then I'm left with the question: why did day 2 end without a lynch? Maybe scum didn't end the day maybe it was a 3rd party role? Or maybe Vivax is scum and the move was purely to keep him alive?...hmmm I'm not sure.

Either way, my initial thoughts are that TS looks very scummy to me. I think I'm gonna check out Koshi now. But I think TS is my strongest scum read after Vivax.

Exo is also possible town. The guy looks lost in the grand scheme but this is a solid read and with the follow up it is clear he believes in his read.

I don't think TS is mafia though.
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 26 2016 17:50 GMT
#4006
On October 27 2016 02:22 Acrofales wrote:
But for real. It's time for info. Why did you visit H1? What happened? Who have you visited since (and why haven't you moved for it).


I didn't visit hopeless a single time.

I did investigate ptmc, ritoky, and Hama. I was rolenlocked while visiting ptmc.
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 17:52 GMT
#4007
On October 27 2016 02:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 02:22 Acrofales wrote:
But for real. It's time for info. Why did you visit H1? What happened? Who have you visited since (and why haven't you moved for it).


I didn't visit hopeless a single time.

I did investigate ptmc, ritoky, and Hama. I was rolenlocked while visiting ptmc.

and? What was ritoky and hama?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 17:54 GMT
#4008
On October 27 2016 02:20 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 02:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 27 2016 00:27 Acrofales wrote:
On October 26 2016 23:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 26 2016 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Here's another fun couple of questions for you because I'm bored:

What happened to you last night, and why haven't you claimed any attacks?


Last night I forgot to take action and I didn't do a single attack in this game

What did you do d1? Your movement is unexplained. I think you hit H1der...


I have an investigative skill which I've been using.

You're mafia's rolecop? Who's what? Maybe you can help the SK Artanis fulfill his mission and bugger off.

↑ sounds like nervous scum to me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 17:57 GMT
#4009
20 mins and nobody is here?
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 26 2016 17:58 GMT
#4010
On October 27 2016 02:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 02:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 27 2016 02:22 Acrofales wrote:
But for real. It's time for info. Why did you visit H1? What happened? Who have you visited since (and why haven't you moved for it).


I didn't visit hopeless a single time.

I did investigate ptmc, ritoky, and Hama. I was rolenlocked while visiting ptmc.

and? What was ritoky and hama?


Phew. I'll come clean. I'm 3p. One of my win con is to find my enemies and eliminate them. I have an investigative role that says if certain person is my enemy or not. They are not my enemies.
My other win con is to survive until the end of the game
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 18:00 GMT
#4011
On October 27 2016 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 02:52 Koshi wrote:
On October 27 2016 02:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 27 2016 02:22 Acrofales wrote:
But for real. It's time for info. Why did you visit H1? What happened? Who have you visited since (and why haven't you moved for it).


I didn't visit hopeless a single time.

I did investigate ptmc, ritoky, and Hama. I was rolenlocked while visiting ptmc.

and? What was ritoky and hama?


Phew. I'll come clean. I'm 3p. One of my win con is to find my enemies and eliminate them. I have an investigative role that says if certain person is my enemy or not. They are not my enemies.
My other win con is to survive until the end of the game

Ok sorry for my previous support. You can die.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 18:01 GMT
#4012
There is fucking 2 more 3p claims and you put 0 of them in your scumlist. How many 3p do you think there are?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 18:03 GMT
#4013
The only thing that saves iamp is his filter. Last game he played he was mafia and claimed 3p so he could just do nothing the entire game. This game he was a bit critical towards ritoky but nothing more.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 18:08 GMT
#4014
Vivax, Acrofoles, skynx, ritoky, lunaticman, sicklucker, hama, kurumi, Bill Murray

I have to work from this list. I think sicklucker is also more likely mafia than not.
Who started the rumor there are only 5 mafia? Is this confirmed?
I had a good night of sleep.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 26 2016 18:10 GMT
#4015
rofl
A backwards poet writes inverse.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 26 2016 18:10 GMT
#4016
On October 27 2016 03:01 Koshi wrote:
There is fucking 2 more 3p claims and you put 0 of them in your scumlist. How many 3p do you think there are?


A lot
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 18:10 GMT
#4017
On October 26 2016 15:27 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 15:17 sicklucker wrote:
anyone who didnt attack vivax last night is probably not town. I mean bm I hard defended you all game but this is absurd

oh shut up
he was obviously going to be lynched and i dont trust youre not scum with that post restriction ability

For somebody who is hard scumreading SL this is a very meek post.
I had a good night of sleep.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 26 2016 18:12 GMT
#4018
On October 27 2016 03:08 Koshi wrote:
Vivax, Acrofoles, skynx, ritoky, lunaticman, sicklucker, hama, kurumi, Bill Murray

I have to work from this list. I think sicklucker is also more likely mafia than not.
Who started the rumor there are only 5 mafia? Is this confirmed?

it's not (afaik)
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 26 2016 18:14 GMT
#4019
well i guess artanis will be saved from his righteous punishment for now
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 26 2016 18:15 GMT
#4020
On October 27 2016 03:12 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2016 03:08 Koshi wrote:
Vivax, Acrofoles, skynx, ritoky, lunaticman, sicklucker, hama, kurumi, Bill Murray

I have to work from this list. I think sicklucker is also more likely mafia than not.
Who started the rumor there are only 5 mafia? Is this confirmed?

it's not (afaik)

Who do you think is town from that list?
I had a good night of sleep.
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