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On October 26 2016 20:59 ptmc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.
Especially the vote count thing.
Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it. The vote count looks decent, but there are some more constellations that would make sense. I agree with the top of your list, have no reason (yet) to doubt you on GB so I don't have a lot to discuss. Is there something specific you would want to talk about?
Well for starters you apparently didn't trust me at all and still thought I was scum(?) till very recently?
What's different? (I'm curious)
As for the rest I dunno. Thoughts on GBs interaction with Mr last night?
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Also I gotta say it looks even worse on ExO that he didn't bother commenting on any of that at all until prompted.
Ptmc you at the very least mentioned it.
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On October 26 2016 21:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 20:59 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.
Especially the vote count thing.
Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it. The vote count looks decent, but there are some more constellations that would make sense. I agree with the top of your list, have no reason (yet) to doubt you on GB so I don't have a lot to discuss. Is there something specific you would want to talk about? Well for starters you apparently didn't trust me at all and still thought I was scum(?) till very recently? What's different? (I'm curious) As for the rest I dunno. Thoughts on GBs interaction with Mr last night?
Interaction with me*
Stupid phone
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On October 26 2016 21:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
my feedback would be that it looks very neat and coordinated, but if that is the scumteam they're definitely neither of those things
so if you're right on the people (which is possible) i doubt it's because of this
I wouldn't say that's coordinated at all. That's just scum afraid to look bad by voting for the same person and not making any real commitments they can be called out on later.
ExO I'll get to you in a little bit.
Discussion is good.
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On October 26 2016 21:40 Koshi wrote:
My point is that I find it very hard to believe hosts gave him an item that is not beneficial for his role, just to help town which he for some reason feels is "forced" to do, that item costed his entire turn, and then ended up not seeing anybody kill me and see me flip town.
Extremely unlikely.
The mafia counterstory:
Mafia has a watcher, ritoky claims his actions as his own to gain towncred especially if I get killed because then they can even push a misslynch, ritoky himself does bad things during the night.
I doubt very much the mods gave him the ward or whatever specifically last night, and I don't think he said that.
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On October 26 2016 21:57 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 21:52 Koshi wrote:On October 26 2016 21:50 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 21:48 Koshi wrote:On October 26 2016 21:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
claim he needs 10 wincons
'oops guys not quite there yet'
'nope still not quite, just do random thing X for me'
'i guess that wasn't enough! let me just kill a coulpe people'
i can see into the future. Well, force him to claim so we can put on the bullshit detector at least. join me in punching him he'll sing pretty soon. Why do you believe ritoky his claim over Artanis? Artanis his role I can understand the mechanics. What does ritoky do? N1 Clone (tell the game on clone account he is 3p) N2 Clone N3 Clone N4 Clone D5 win and remove from game? EXCITING! i dont but he has the hp pool thing and/or some other sort of punching protection, unless he was lying about not taking damage. which i certainly wouldnt dismiss. we're prolly gonna need to lynch him at some point. seeing as we lynch vivax today, and kurumi tomorrow, lynching him d5 if he's still in the game is fine so we punch the other one. ez
Well or lunaticman.
I think our KP is better served on GB/other scummers though.
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On October 26 2016 21:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 07:07 ritoky wrote:
This town is such a trainwreck that they are probably going to lose before I can complete my win condition, so I sacrificed a night of cloning to use this sentry ward that I somehow got. Koshi should have been a prime target for information but people are mind-bogglingly dumb I suppose. Unless there is also a 3p vendor in the game it is the hosts.
Oh you were right he did 'just get it.'
that is weird.
I'm still not concerning myself with 3P claims over sure scum yet.
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On October 26 2016 22:00 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 26 2016 21:57 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 21:52 Koshi wrote:On October 26 2016 21:50 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 21:48 Koshi wrote:On October 26 2016 21:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
claim he needs 10 wincons
'oops guys not quite there yet'
'nope still not quite, just do random thing X for me'
'i guess that wasn't enough! let me just kill a coulpe people'
i can see into the future. Well, force him to claim so we can put on the bullshit detector at least. join me in punching him he'll sing pretty soon. Why do you believe ritoky his claim over Artanis? Artanis his role I can understand the mechanics. What does ritoky do? N1 Clone (tell the game on clone account he is 3p) N2 Clone N3 Clone N4 Clone D5 win and remove from game? EXCITING! i dont but he has the hp pool thing and/or some other sort of punching protection, unless he was lying about not taking damage. which i certainly wouldnt dismiss. we're prolly gonna need to lynch him at some point. seeing as we lynch vivax today, and kurumi tomorrow, lynching him d5 if he's still in the game is fine so we punch the other one. ez Well or lunaticman. I think our KP is better served on GB/other scummers though. I'm still waiting
Yes yes.
Calm your tits.
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On October 26 2016 22:02 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 26 2016 21:57 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 21:52 Koshi wrote:On October 26 2016 21:50 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2016 21:48 Koshi wrote:On October 26 2016 21:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
claim he needs 10 wincons
'oops guys not quite there yet'
'nope still not quite, just do random thing X for me'
'i guess that wasn't enough! let me just kill a coulpe people'
i can see into the future. Well, force him to claim so we can put on the bullshit detector at least. join me in punching him he'll sing pretty soon. Why do you believe ritoky his claim over Artanis? Artanis his role I can understand the mechanics. What does ritoky do? N1 Clone (tell the game on clone account he is 3p) N2 Clone N3 Clone N4 Clone D5 win and remove from game? EXCITING! i dont but he has the hp pool thing and/or some other sort of punching protection, unless he was lying about not taking damage. which i certainly wouldnt dismiss. we're prolly gonna need to lynch him at some point. seeing as we lynch vivax today, and kurumi tomorrow, lynching him d5 if he's still in the game is fine so we punch the other one. ez Well or lunaticman. I think our KP is better served on GB/other scummers though. gb should be super low by now yeah? whynotboth.jpg
Troof.
Would be nice if SL told us how much HP he has left.
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Random thought:
Is there anything we can learn from vivax's filter? He did post a little before end of D1. And I know it's scum and unflipped association and whatnot but I'm curious.
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On October 26 2016 22:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
on gb, farily certain ive said this before but it's basically hyper scummy how he explains just about all his reads either by 'HF said so' (after n1) or 'btnd said so' (after n2) and doesnt do anything of his own.
so yeah we can murderize the man and prolly flip him soonish, while i heroically lead the expedition to slay the snaketanis.
The most fun one of those is the one he tried to use on me last night where he called me scum 'cause HF said so' after quoting a post he originally called me town for.
But yes. The glowing bear will glow no more.
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On October 26 2016 22:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 22:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
on gb, farily certain ive said this before but it's basically hyper scummy how he explains just about all his reads either by 'HF said so' (after n1) or 'btnd said so' (after n2) and doesnt do anything of his own.
so yeah we can murderize the man and prolly flip him soonish, while i heroically lead the expedition to slay the snaketanis. I may have to murder you if you annoy me too much.
I mean, you do that and we just flat out kill you since you'll be working against us.
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I should mention:
There is a chance the thing I did last night could have been...messed with(?)
If GB just lays down and dies I'm totally cool with it, but if he ever decides to come back to attempt to un-nail himself from the wall I'll need him to claim everything he did and everything that as done to him that he knows of.
And hell, even IF he does that he still looks like shit so I don't even know if that saves him haha
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Alright let's get to this Exo thing.
On October 26 2016 21:06 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 21:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Here ya go, but I bet you're not gonna like it..... :D :D On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is gold, actually.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
Look at the votes, and compare them to my list.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
I mean, call it confirmation bias if you want, but it looks REEEEAAAALLL good to me.
No scum on Vivax, everyone else spread way the hell out.
I think how the votes got there matters just as much (for example see my post on the Day 1 voting situation). Personally I got wrapped up in civ 6 stuff and didn't see the point in changing my vote. I find it very interesting that you point out Kurumi when you yourself are sitting on LT with him. Did you mean to call out yourself with this post as well? In fact what am I supposed to get from this? You highlighted a bunch of names but didn't really explain how the way these votes ended up indicates scum or town. So it looks to me 100% like confirmation bias. But to give you a fair shake: Explain to me why you think I'm scum, other than the fact that I was mostly CIV6afk for a bit.
Did I mean to call out myself?
Sure I did. Point being, I know I'm town and I have explained on numerous occasions why I stuck on LT that day. Had I been around and seen to change my vote I would undoubtedly have changed to TT (and been wrong anyway, but that's besides the point). So the fact that my vote is also a throwaway is irrelevant to my purposes and should in theory also be to everyone else's but you're right in that I suppose I can't necessarily expect everyone else to ignore it the same way.
I'll explain the vote analysis a little further though.
Scum are very paranoid when it comes to voting. There are a couple of main patterns that are typically followed.
One is that they will pick a target and stick with said target to absolve themselves of the responsibility to switch or potentially be forced to bus/nail their own teammate. The second is that they will spread themselves out fairly thin so as to avoid any incidental lynches or shenanigans and once again to absolve themselves of responsibility if they are afk at lynch time. Also this helps if vote analysis is done later and a couple scummers are voting for the same obvious townie or something---it just looks really bad and one of the absolute most important things scum are worried about is looking bad.
Most of the people I highlighted fit both of the above voting patterns in many cases, and all of them I believe fit at least one of them. Combined with their general scumminess throughout the game and you have yourself a slam dunk analysis imo.
You yourself mention you didn't 'see the point' in changing your vote since you were busy playing Civ. You fit into both categories---you were stuck on Dandel for who knows what reason when basically nobody else was (he was one of the people instrumental in leading lynches and so people trusted him) and you didn't care that your vote was spread out/useless.
I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy.
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On October 26 2016 22:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:23 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:20 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 26 2016 20:16 ptmc wrote:On October 26 2016 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You know, it'd be a good idea if all the people up for lynch claim their roles. I can help that way. can you elaborate on your "help"? Removing would be an apt way of putting it. So you help the people up for lynch by removing them? wtf It was a cute way of saying 'hit them until they die' I get that, but in what way does that help the people up for lynch? That you save a lynch on them? On October 26 2016 20:24 ExO_ wrote:
That's odd. Viper doesn't have any rival lines with any of those heroes. In fact he doesn't really relate to them from anyway. I understand that this is a mafia game and not really true to lore, but it doesn't make sense on the surface.
I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game.
Something is off I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total. Wtf wtf wtf. Okay. Too bizar a time to claim to really mistrust right now... but this is bizar. If you have 15 heroes, that's greater than half the game. Presumably you had a winching with one of the guys that flipped already. Tell us what you had to do or face death by basic attack...
Maybe he's not Viper but that guy who has like 10 different abilities? Invoker is it? (useless speculation anyway)
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On October 26 2016 21:07 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 21:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I gotta say it looks even worse on ExO that he didn't bother commenting on any of that at all until prompted.
Ptmc you at the very least mentioned it. commented on all of what until prompted?
And commenting on anything that happened last night, including the fact that I literally claimed to have 100% caught a scum, and made cases, AND interacted with him.
You instead go off in your own little world about Tubesock and ignore the important things in the thread. That to me looks like you're not focusing on my case/claim and hoping it goes away.
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On October 26 2016 22:28 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 22:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Alright let's get to this Exo thing. On October 26 2016 21:06 ExO_ wrote:On October 26 2016 21:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Here ya go, but I bet you're not gonna like it..... :D :D On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is gold, actually.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
Look at the votes, and compare them to my list.
Tictock (8); Vivax, Holyflare, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, ritoky, Bill Murray, Koshi, beentheredonethat
Koshi (4): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx, TubeSock, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Lunaticman (1): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx
Vivax (2): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion
Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
ritoky (1): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
I mean, call it confirmation bias if you want, but it looks REEEEAAAALLL good to me.
No scum on Vivax, everyone else spread way the hell out.
I think how the votes got there matters just as much (for example see my post on the Day 1 voting situation). Personally I got wrapped up in civ 6 stuff and didn't see the point in changing my vote. I find it very interesting that you point out Kurumi when you yourself are sitting on LT with him. Did you mean to call out yourself with this post as well? In fact what am I supposed to get from this? You highlighted a bunch of names but didn't really explain how the way these votes ended up indicates scum or town. So it looks to me 100% like confirmation bias. But to give you a fair shake: Explain to me why you think I'm scum, other than the fact that I was mostly CIV6afk for a bit. Did I mean to call out myself? Sure I did. Point being, I know I'm town and I have explained on numerous occasions why I stuck on LT that day. Had I been around and seen to change my vote I would undoubtedly have changed to TT (and been wrong anyway, but that's besides the point). So the fact that my vote is also a throwaway is irrelevant to my purposes and should in theory also be to everyone else's but you're right in that I suppose I can't necessarily expect everyone else to ignore it the same way. I'll explain the vote analysis a little further though. Scum are very paranoid when it comes to voting. There are a couple of main patterns that are typically followed. One is that they will pick a target and stick with said target to absolve themselves of the responsibility to switch or potentially be forced to bus/nail their own teammate. The second is that they will spread themselves out fairly thin so as to avoid any incidental lynches or shenanigans and once again to absolve themselves of responsibility if they are afk at lynch time. Also this helps if vote analysis is done later and a couple scummers are voting for the same obvious townie or something---it just looks really bad and one of the absolute most important things scum are worried about is looking bad. Most of the people I highlighted fit both of the above voting patterns in many cases, and all of them I believe fit at least one of them. Combined with their general scumminess throughout the game and you have yourself a slam dunk analysis imo. You yourself mention you didn't 'see the point' in changing your vote since you were busy playing Civ. You fit into both categories---you were stuck on Dandel for who knows what reason when basically nobody else was (he was one of the people instrumental in leading lynches and so people trusted him) and you didn't care that your vote was spread out/useless. I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy. At the time, Dandel was not instrumental in leading any lynches. In fact I'm not even sure I'd call him "instrumental" at all here yet. Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy. Basically on day 1 you trolled instead of working with me. I made numerous attempts to get you to communicate with me, and instead you thumbed your nose at me and were an ass. Your case on me boils down to an OMGUS.
Your entire attempt to communicate with me was based on role speculation, and a completely absurd one, at that.
I found absolutely no use in it, and therefore had no desire to engage you.
I have already listed a few things that make me think you're scum and if you think OMGUS is the only reason I think so then you're welcome to it, but as far as I can tell, that's not going to convince me you're not---and you should probably focus on that in some way since I'm the one doing a lot of the legwork atm.
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On October 26 2016 22:32 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2016 22:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 26 2016 21:07 ExO_ wrote:On October 26 2016 21:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I gotta say it looks even worse on ExO that he didn't bother commenting on any of that at all until prompted.
Ptmc you at the very least mentioned it. commented on all of what until prompted? And commenting on anything that happened last night, including the fact that I literally claimed to have 100% caught a scum, and made cases, AND interacted with him. You instead go off in your own little world about Tubesock and ignore the important things in the thread. That to me looks like you're not focusing on my case/claim and hoping it goes away. I didn't see this. When I asked you to quote for me, you quoted your little confirmation bias post. I don't even know which scum you are claiming to have 100% caught and interacted with. Jesus Christ its like you think you are the center of the Universe. I make a case on Tubesock because I legitimate think he might be scum. He's definitely the scummiest looking person short of Vivax to me. And instead of giving my case the time of day, you think I should be focused entirely on your thoughts? If you want my opinions on your thoughts, give them to me when I ask. I want to work together to find scum, but all you seem to care about is getting attention for your own thoughts.
I absolutely am the centre of the universe right now because I'm all but confirmed town. The rest of the people in here should be licking my boots after I slap them in the face and then ask me 'Thank you sir, can I have another?'
As far as your case on Tubesock, I mostly ignored it because I don't really find it likely that he's scum at all.
I can have a look at it now though since not a whole lot else is going on, but I'll tell you right now my opinion is not likely to change.
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On October 26 2016 22:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
this must be your first game with wave
:D :D :D :D
To be fair I AM playing it up quite a bit.
JAT/marv/Palmar aren't in here so somebody's gotta do it, right? 
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On October 26 2016 22:32 Dandel Ion wrote:i'm always instrumental + Show Spoiler +
I was assuming doot doot or something
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