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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 12:56 GMT
#2841
brb murdering some newborn kittens.
I had a good night of sleep.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
October 24 2016 12:57 GMT
#2842
I think I like Koshi now. I have to wake up for work in half an hour so I'm not really here.

##Vote: Vivax
##Vote: Skynx

If it ever looks like Vivax starts losing votes I will be back in him. This is purely to help get second wagon.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 12:59 GMT
#2843
On October 24 2016 21:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 21:42 Koshi wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:40 beentheredonethat wrote:
Koshi, its madness to do the same thing over and over again but expect a different result. If youre town, leave the thread for some hours. Calm down. We all got your claim and no, as of now, we are not following you. But you are not todays lynch. So please go ahead and read people. Drop thoughts. Bring up your findings. All you do is claiming and raging, and people follow you in derailing the thread.

Really, Koshi. Stop raging, stop claiming, all is said and done. Calm down, then start to work. Read people outside of Vivax. Make suggestions for your second wagon.

Or, keep raging and yeah, nothing will change.

I cannot proof I am town unless you make 2 wagons? How hard is this too graps?

Hey Koshi we will lynch you when you don't kill the guy with a shitton of votes. But spoiler, we won't give a second guy a shitton of votes.

Hey Koshi no second wagon is forming and if you want one,then fucking make a solid case. Scumfuck,you make me pissed by now. Back to ignore. My advicse still stands.

Exo is mafia for not making any cases and pretending to be as dense as a rock.
Lunatic is mafia for not making any cases and just voting me since the first 5 minutes of the game.
Vivax is mafia for not making any cases and claiming to have visited baby seals.
Skynx is mafia for making 1 opportunistic as fuck case on me and doing nothing else entirely.


4 brilliant cases. You are pushing me with the same reasoning this entire game now so I must just became solid town to you.
I had a good night of sleep.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 24 2016 13:03 GMT
#2844
Do you have thoughts on BG and LT, Koshi?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 24 2016 13:03 GMT
#2845
On October 24 2016 13:31 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 13:29 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2016 12:37 iamperfection wrote:
On October 24 2016 12:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 24 2016 11:47 iamperfection wrote:
On October 24 2016 11:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Tell me why I'm wrong, then

because its bascially sayim im scum for thinking you could be scum for doing jack shit. You even admidt to not doing shit go read you own page 1 filter what are people supposed to think. Now i think i may be on to something with that question you have to holy. Vigs need to shoot useless liabilities to town there is no other way to deal with them and we are all basically semi vigs in this game.

Now if you actually think the person with the longest filter in the game has cared about the lynch has clearly been trying to figure out peoples alignments who has a meta where they are much less Spamy as scum and has pretty much lead town completely is scum you need to go back to newbie school.


That's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is: if you have 4 skills to use, each one with a determined purpose that could help town (like, investigation skills, roleblock skills etc.), why wasting your actions to deal small damages to a player instead?

The choice of dealing damage instead of using one of those skills have a much clearer mafia motivation than town motivation. It's a simple excuse for Mafia: *picks an easy target* "we have to kill this useless player" - wastes whole cycles to have a townie killed and doesn't get suspicions drawn to you.

I'd expect a townie to use his skills in a more pro-town agenda. You're not doing that.

Btw, why shooting me and lynching Vivax? If I'm such a liability, why not getting rid of me already?

oh you can use your abilities all at once that's interesting.


?
You need to choose between using your skills or doing basic damage. That's how it works here

yeah but my abilities only unlock as the game progresses like the example role pm yours dont.........?


I could choose between 2 skills
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 13:03 GMT
#2846
On October 24 2016 22:03 ptmc wrote:
Do you have thoughts on BG and LT, Koshi?

They can go die in a fire?
I had a good night of sleep.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 13:05 GMT
#2847
On October 24 2016 21:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 21:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:42 Koshi wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:40 beentheredonethat wrote:
Koshi, its madness to do the same thing over and over again but expect a different result. If youre town, leave the thread for some hours. Calm down. We all got your claim and no, as of now, we are not following you. But you are not todays lynch. So please go ahead and read people. Drop thoughts. Bring up your findings. All you do is claiming and raging, and people follow you in derailing the thread.

Really, Koshi. Stop raging, stop claiming, all is said and done. Calm down, then start to work. Read people outside of Vivax. Make suggestions for your second wagon.

Or, keep raging and yeah, nothing will change.

I cannot proof I am town unless you make 2 wagons? How hard is this too graps?

Hey Koshi we will lynch you when you don't kill the guy with a shitton of votes. But spoiler, we won't give a second guy a shitton of votes.

Hey Koshi no second wagon is forming and if you want one,then fucking make a solid case. Scumfuck,you make me pissed by now. Back to ignore. My advicse still stands.

Exo is mafia for not making any cases and pretending to be as dense as a rock.
Lunatic is mafia for not making any cases and just voting me since the first 5 minutes of the game.
Vivax is mafia for not making any cases and claiming to have visited baby seals.
Skynx is mafia for making 1 opportunistic as fuck case on me and doing nothing else entirely.


4 brilliant cases. You are pushing me with the same reasoning this entire game now so I must just became solid town to you.

???
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 13:10 GMT
#2848
On October 24 2016 22:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 21:59 Koshi wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:42 Koshi wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:40 beentheredonethat wrote:
Koshi, its madness to do the same thing over and over again but expect a different result. If youre town, leave the thread for some hours. Calm down. We all got your claim and no, as of now, we are not following you. But you are not todays lynch. So please go ahead and read people. Drop thoughts. Bring up your findings. All you do is claiming and raging, and people follow you in derailing the thread.

Really, Koshi. Stop raging, stop claiming, all is said and done. Calm down, then start to work. Read people outside of Vivax. Make suggestions for your second wagon.

Or, keep raging and yeah, nothing will change.

I cannot proof I am town unless you make 2 wagons? How hard is this too graps?

Hey Koshi we will lynch you when you don't kill the guy with a shitton of votes. But spoiler, we won't give a second guy a shitton of votes.

Hey Koshi no second wagon is forming and if you want one,then fucking make a solid case. Scumfuck,you make me pissed by now. Back to ignore. My advicse still stands.

Exo is mafia for not making any cases and pretending to be as dense as a rock.
Lunatic is mafia for not making any cases and just voting me since the first 5 minutes of the game.
Vivax is mafia for not making any cases and claiming to have visited baby seals.
Skynx is mafia for making 1 opportunistic as fuck case on me and doing nothing else entirely.


4 brilliant cases. You are pushing me with the same reasoning this entire game now so I must just became solid town to you.

???

Well ,at least 1 townie is paying attention this game.
I change my opinion to mafia is scared as fuck about me and want to bury me.

But yeah, there is probably mafia in the whole LT/GB/Hamamura guy/Ritoky
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 24 2016 13:11 GMT
#2849
On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing.
I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that.
Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.


Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:

LT
GB
Hamazura
Exo
SL
Tubesock
Lunatic
and so on and so forth

If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.


Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.

You're basically calling scum every lurker.
I'm adorable.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 13:13 GMT
#2850
every lurker is scum until they prove otherwise
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 13:15 GMT
#2851
On October 24 2016 22:10 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 22:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:59 Koshi wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:42 Koshi wrote:
On October 24 2016 21:40 beentheredonethat wrote:
Koshi, its madness to do the same thing over and over again but expect a different result. If youre town, leave the thread for some hours. Calm down. We all got your claim and no, as of now, we are not following you. But you are not todays lynch. So please go ahead and read people. Drop thoughts. Bring up your findings. All you do is claiming and raging, and people follow you in derailing the thread.

Really, Koshi. Stop raging, stop claiming, all is said and done. Calm down, then start to work. Read people outside of Vivax. Make suggestions for your second wagon.

Or, keep raging and yeah, nothing will change.

I cannot proof I am town unless you make 2 wagons? How hard is this too graps?

Hey Koshi we will lynch you when you don't kill the guy with a shitton of votes. But spoiler, we won't give a second guy a shitton of votes.

Hey Koshi no second wagon is forming and if you want one,then fucking make a solid case. Scumfuck,you make me pissed by now. Back to ignore. My advicse still stands.

Exo is mafia for not making any cases and pretending to be as dense as a rock.
Lunatic is mafia for not making any cases and just voting me since the first 5 minutes of the game.
Vivax is mafia for not making any cases and claiming to have visited baby seals.
Skynx is mafia for making 1 opportunistic as fuck case on me and doing nothing else entirely.


4 brilliant cases. You are pushing me with the same reasoning this entire game now so I must just became solid town to you.

???

Well ,at least 1 townie is paying attention this game.
I change my opinion to mafia is scared as fuck about me and want to bury me.

But yeah, there is probably mafia in the whole LT/GB/Hamamura guy/Ritoky

soft pokket noted

yes there is probably mafia in the whole player list too. but isnt it more interesting to find out which ones they are
one may even call that the point
A backwards poet writes inverse.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 24 2016 13:17 GMT
#2852
On October 24 2016 22:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
every lurker is scum until they prove otherwise


I agree. I don't feel strongly for a Skynx-Lynch (only read his filter, did I miss a case?)
Lunatic however is still only a weird tunneling lurker, which would be a fine second lynch.

## vote lunaticman
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 24 2016 13:18 GMT
#2853
On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead.

GG
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
October 24 2016 13:19 GMT
#2854
On October 24 2016 22:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing.
I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that.
Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.


Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:

LT
GB
Hamazura
Exo
SL
Tubesock
Lunatic
and so on and so forth

If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.


Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.

You're basically calling scum every lurker.

DO SOMETHING :|
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 13:19 GMT
#2855
On October 24 2016 22:17 ptmc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 22:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
every lurker is scum until they prove otherwise


I agree. I don't feel strongly for a Skynx-Lynch (only read his filter, did I miss a case?)
Lunatic however is still only a weird tunneling lurker, which would be a fine second lynch.

## vote lunaticman

I agree Lunatic is the worst of the bunch. And this also beyond doubt proofs I am 100% confirmed town.

##unvote
## vote lunaticman
I had a good night of sleep.
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 24 2016 13:22 GMT
#2856
On October 24 2016 22:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing.
I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that.
Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.


Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:

LT
GB
Hamazura
Exo
SL
Tubesock
Lunatic
and so on and so forth

If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.


Wave, there's a huge problem in people's suspucions on me: their suspicions are based on me being useless. It is right that effort is a town trait, but lack of effort isn't, per se, a scum trait.

You're basically calling scum every lurker.


I don't get your Iamp argument. What if he has skills that (so far) have not been useful to choose? Or he has not been certain enough to pick a strong ability, instead picking on you bit by bit so that you start playing?
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
October 24 2016 13:25 GMT
#2857
and has someone collected the dire/radiant claims?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 13:31 GMT
#2858
iirc almost (or literal) nobody claimed either way
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
October 24 2016 13:35 GMT
#2859
The good:

1. Hopeless.
He played and actually cared. I've never seen him care this much I believe. Last time he was mafia he behaved and talked like a guy standing dazed in front of a naked specimen of his preferred gender, then fell unconscious and nobody ever heard of him since. He is completely incapable of playing as mafia.

2. Iamperfection. I honestly have no clue how he plays mafia. But I somehow always know when he's town. Maybe he just always rolls town, maybe I'm just this good. It certainly has nothing to do with the way he plays. But he's town. He's obnoxious towards suspicious people and frantically searches remote places for mafia. He has this righteous, condescending tone in his posts.

3. Artanis. He's serious. There's no playing around. It's the empire mafia criterion. He'll just fool around and joke rather than get to work this blatantly as mafia. So I'm doing this call just based on that. I don't think I've seen a single gif? Maybe he's ill, most certainly he's being a good townie boy his parents would be proud of.

4. Dandel. Don't ask me why, I don't think I have a logical reason to TR him it's just what feels right.

5. Exo. I liked how he went after Wave D1 with the bar example and shit. Very aggressive overall but I think that in that too calm town atmosphere he did something scum wouldn't have done: Stir things up.

The ugly:

1. Bill Murray. This guy can just do what the hell he wants cause nobody ever had any clue how to read him in the history of mafia. He actually can have decent reads as town and be scary as mafia. Just the type of guy you will get insane over at a situation like lylo. Good luck boys.

Kurumi: Not that ugly actually. His lists had a meaning, and he bothered to start communicating normally afterwards. He doesn't feel the urge to do that as mafia. If anything, when he's mafia he just trolls, posts gibberish and doesn't give a damn about your opinion. On the good side of ugly.

KamasutraXTacoshopu:
Dunno, really. Focuses on superficial things like a newbie would do (shitposters=mafia, helpful=town). Hasn't yet mastered the art of saying "I am". He's the descartian nightmare, but it seems like it's a sentient being. I'm going with town for his focus on superficial things however, seems natural enough.

LordTolkien:
It bothers me that his initial list are people he would lynch just cause he doesn't know them. If he knows how to read the other people, he should certainly be able to find scum among them? Seems like a minor rebuttal, but is telling for laziness and has shown that he rather would make a very shallow list. Wanting to lynch kurumi for the emotes is also very superficial. They actually meant something if he bothered to figure it out.
Later on he plays some thread police, posts some stuff related to game mechanics, talks about germans in lederhosen, puts up the lynch mob face for Koshi. Alrighty, if he's mafia he's doing splendidly. I can't tell for sure yet.

Acrofales: He's just here cause he's ugly. I'm firmly convinced he is. Actually I just don't want to read his posts too much unfounded hate, this guy is just a bully and bullies don't deserve attention, just basic attacks.

Koshi: Felt really underwhelming at the beginning. Lacked too much third person and typical strongheadedness. But I have seen Koshi being like this as town, actually. He's just not very consistent in his tone, and just activity wise I think he looks townie enough. Plus if his claim is real, a double lynch doesn't seem like a mafia ability. So I'm leaving him kinda in between. I feel like he's becoming more townie as time passes. I just wonder why he's not on a crusade against me yet. meh.

Glowingbear: Slight townlean. Why? Cause he is scared when he's mafia. He isn't scared here. He's acting like some innocent teddy bear everyone's supposed to leave alone. Zero aggression shown towards his attackers. When Palmar got him on the hook D1 in another game he lashed back out towards him, he didn't make puppy eyes and ask "why" like here. For the time being he's staying in the ugly though. Cause he can do better than that.

The bad:

Tubesock: Goes on a rant about me being mafia and how we will have this for days and days. Quotes a game where I have like 7 posts as example. He realizes it's not really how I always play scum after ptmc points it out but doesn't really pursue that thought further. It's obvious he is just happy with having a reason to scumread me even after having it invalidated, ends up voting TickTock with me after having that train of thought. I believe he should have been much more determined to keep his vote on me after what he said.

Koroko: Has three posts. Claims third party, wins by creating fake accounts. Sounds too good to be true. Not necessarily mafia but definitely a something from outside this world that needs cleansing.




As for SL, ptmc, WoS, Skynx, ritoky. I don't wanna put them into these categories
Off the top of my head, mafia WoS tends to longish posts. SL just loses the grip on the game and misunderstands stuff, ritoky acts smug and spams stuff for fun a bit like scumtanis. I cba to check for those tendencies on these guys I'd like to have them around a bit longer anyway.

From a glance ptmc seemed townie at first but he has kinda dropped off and his list seemed a bit superficial.

Skynx on the other hand was brutally honest about how he forgot about something and couldn't be arsed to go over it again in his list thingy and that earns him town points in my book.

Either way, I'd lynch tube and the 3p claim next.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 13:36 GMT
#2860
tldr after I saw my name under mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
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