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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
October 24 2016 08:06 GMT
#2781
Okay. Let's figure out LT.

I like his return to clear up the damage on WoS. I don't like that he went straight to calling HF the last in the first place. Why call HF the list and not sicklucker? Struck me as strange at the time and is still not making sense.

I don't like his most recent list. It reads like it took 0 effort to make, and was this made more to"show" he was thinking about alignments rather than actually thinking about them. In other words, scummy as fuck.

I am very comfortable murdering LT.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
October 24 2016 08:11 GMT
#2782
On October 24 2016 00:56 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 00:54 Koshi wrote:
On October 24 2016 00:48 iamperfection wrote:
On October 24 2016 00:47 Koshi wrote:
On October 24 2016 00:45 iamperfection wrote:
someone discuss my point on skynx that i cant wrap my head around it.


Why would he claim his attack on me?

I haven't followed that discussion.

he said he attacked me. i didn't comment at all on taking damage yet he claims an attack why would he do that as scum?

Well the damage claim doesn't matter. As scum he might just do yolo damage?
Was this during the night?

yeah but why claim at all why not just say i have no idea why i moved next to iamp. I guess if he is scum he may be just have a total misunderstanding of the as scum and not see why attacking the obvious town player is scummy.

I'm almost 100% certain the guy hitting me and not claiming is scum, because if they claim to be shooting me they look scummy as fuck. I'd assume the same applies for damage to you. So Skynx claiming means they have two different strategies for whacking at townies. Two scum teams is possible, but very unlikely until proven otherwise. So Skynx dumb townie?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
October 24 2016 08:13 GMT
#2783
On October 24 2016 13:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 13:49 ritoky wrote:
On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest.
Maybe not Acro...?
Look at Artanis though.

On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:
On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit.


I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here:

On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 22 2016 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
On October 22 2016 17:21 Holyflare wrote:
On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
[quote]

I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match.


So if I have a choice between a town koshi or a town ticktock I go after the scrub one??? I could have easily lynched koshi but I'm waiting to see if he does something, anything in fact while i had an actual case on TT. He also claimed a town ability too. Koshi regularly gets nk on night 1 and 2 as town because he's a big threat and plays well but for some reason I'd just let him stay alive?

Wave is definitely mafia btw.

I lost 0 hp.


Ok wave might not definitely be mafia but lt/sl are practically confirmed town in my eyes now. I don't believe mafia start laying their kp on wave when they can attack better targets.

Oh actually this is a good point.
Ugh.
Stop making good points.


Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia

In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too

But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia


I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit.

I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town.

This dude has to be town for this

Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way
The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic

The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious.

Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though.


artanis made the tier 3 damdred read on me pretty accurately which kinda pocketed me.

i can understand the feelings about artanis though. i am kinda frustrated by the game-state. i feel like i am down here in the mud grinding, and artanis feels like he is in a plane in the clouds. detached i guess is the best word. but i don't know if that makes him mafia.

also he was way more convinced by skynx's responses than i was.

This is pretty bad for Artanis I think. He's very discussion oriented but normally he also picks up on little things and is a very intelligent town player. For him to be playing detached and then be convinced by Skynx's responses rather than the way he plays I just don't think looks good on him. But again for Artanis for me it's still mostly a feels read. He doesn't FEEL good. Like I think town Artanis should have had a breakout case by now that causes a stir, and he hasn't.

What is the tier 3 damdred read? Whatever it is, you know he's capable of reading you even better if he knows your alignment, right? (assuming you're town and he's not)

If I got a dime for every time I didn't live up to people's expectations of me.. Honestly I don't tend to get townread until people push me and votes actually pile up, after which I get upset and that emotional read tends to get me townread more than anything these days.

I replaced into a game and tried to get my bearings and was greeted by people who decided to call me scum for not living up to their expectations immediately. I've done my best so far with filters but the problem is that my scumreads tend to be afk. Secondly, game is too fricking large and since I wasn't a part of D1 I have to start from scratch in a 100+-page game.

Anyway, enough whining.
On October 24 2016 07:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 06:53 Artanis[Xp] wr9ote:
I'm mostly getting a TR on ptmc through reading SL's filter. Thanks SL. Also kinda agree on Wave looking meh. This post
On October 21 2016 03:12 sicklucker wrote:
On October 21 2016 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ughhhhhh game is boring
Can't wait for night phase

I guess I'll make a short list of KP targets for later we should all follow

And if people don't trust me then we can get acro or Dandel or somebody people like to agree with me


Oh also everyone needs to claim damage at phase change

Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post



kill kill murder murder death.

BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD. more death

"Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post" feels like he's overcompensating a bit.

I guess I'm ok with SL.

Hey man, you're supposed to keep our bedroom knowledge inside the bedroom!


But srsly, overcompensating for what exactly? For not having anything to say? For not accomplishing much? Because you're probably right. Does your comment mean anything or go anywhere?

NARP

It's a point against you in terms of displaying a mafia guilt. On its own it isn't much though.

Tubesock asked me about the Ritoky read. There's little antagonistic things in his filter like:
On October 20 2016 08:52 ritoky wrote:
this game blows.

here's some reads:
most town: dandel
most mafia: hopeless


On October 20 2016 08:59 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 08:55 iamperfection wrote:
why hopeless


was present, contributed nothing, did not try to advance the game, wasn't funny, fucked off.

On October 20 2016 09:41 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
k so lamp, a large amount of dandel's posts are related to acro's rosh claim and me saying we oughta fite him. like read his (dandel's) filter, and then read ritoky's reason for calling me scummy. Does not compute imo.


? don't make assumptions about my reads. you don't know why i think dandel is town.

On October 20 2016 12:50 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 12:39 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:33 ritoky wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:30 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:24 ritoky wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:17 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:
Exo looks like a VI to me and WoS looks a bit townie cuz reasons.....
Hopeless is giving me scum vibes because of him defending WoS.


wat makes you think exo is dumb instead of scum?

Because not revealing a TPro to town is more beneficial for scum


?????? i don't even know what this says.

TPro=Town Protection=Doc like roles


but how do you know WoS is a protective role? and why does exo get town credit for pushing on an obvious crumb when he thinks the person is lying since crumbing protective is dumb as shit?

i don't understand how you get to dumb town

And that's just from his first page. Ritoky isn't this antagonistic as mafia, generally.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
October 24 2016 08:20 GMT
#2784
On October 24 2016 14:28 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 14:24 ExO_ wrote:
On October 24 2016 14:19 ritoky wrote:
On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.

I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill


i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually.


So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill?

Also where is Koshi?


kinda just posted this last page. but probably lunaticman, he fucked off when the wagon came off him and has done pretty much jack since.

i also wouldn't mind a wagon on SL just to try to force his underachieving ass to play hard for an hour or two so i can get a good read on him that i can ride the rest of the game.

I still think Lunatic is probably town.
On October 23 2016 17:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
With Lunatic's last mafia game being this, I feel somewhat confident calling him town this game. Though I expect him to be able to play a better mafia game than that, he's going after Koshi and HF pretty early on which doesn't match with the complete lack of confidence and defensiveness of the last game.

He's posted only two times since then AND I FINALLY FOUND OUT WHO SAID THE KOSHI OR ARTANIS THING
On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote:
There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3


Lunatic, why is there one scum between Koshi/Artanis?

SL kinda feels town to me for pointing out stuff on ptmc and generally railing on things that I feel make sense like the wave post I quoted before.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
October 24 2016 08:31 GMT
#2785
Artanis, how come you claim you want to read people through engaging them, have me as a null read and for the second time this game, know we are both online, but don't engage me.

You're afraid I'll catch you out, you scummy man?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
October 24 2016 08:31 GMT
#2786
And as I say that, my train got to where I'm going. Arrivederci
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-24 18:58:59
October 24 2016 08:43 GMT
#2787
Vote Count - Day 2


Vivax (10): iamperfection, Acrofales, Dandel Ion, Skynx, ExO_, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Tubesock, WaveofShadow, Bill Murray, Skynx, beentheredonethat, sicklucker
Skynx (2): Koshi, Hopeless1der, Skynx, Artanis[xP]
Koshi (1): Lunaticman
GlowingBear (1): Artanis[xP]
iamperfect (1): GlowingBear
Lunaticman (0): Koshi

Not voted (6): Vivax, HamazuraXTakitsubo, ptmc, Kurumi, ritoky, Lord Tolkien

It looks like Vivax is about to be owned.
Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
October 24 2016 08:52 GMT
#2788
On October 24 2016 17:31 Acrofales wrote:
Artanis, how come you claim you want to read people through engaging them, have me as a null read and for the second time this game, know we are both online, but don't engage me.

You're afraid I'll catch you out, you scummy man?

We've engaged plenty haven't we? Like 10 of my posts were engaging you. You kinda fall in the Tubesock people-that-are-present-and-kinda-doing-things range that I tend to write off as leaning town but never really look into.

You should stop catching trains right when you're challenging me to engage you though. That's kinda lame.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
October 24 2016 10:59 GMT
#2789
Mondays are my busiest day at uni, I prolly will be back in the evening tho.

I've spotted few good posts and few terrible posts from my quick read so far, do make me follow this up in the evening cuz i will forget.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 11:17 GMT
#2790
Koshi: "Hey guys let's double lynch, I just need 2 long wagons"
Others: double lynch is not nec pro town.
Others: Tell us exactly how mafia can stop the double lynch or you are mafia yourself.
Others: Koshi is mafia when the double lynch doesn't happen.


*Koshi looks at vote count*
Vivax (10)
Skynx (2)
Koshi (1)

*Koshi shrugs and walks away*
I had a good night of sleep.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
October 24 2016 11:22 GMT
#2791
Im on p137. Wont be there on deadline since im playing Volleyball. I like Öord Tolkiens big post but im wondering why he on the one hand says im artificially filling my filter but on tje other hand doesnt dare to push me for it. Instead of reading deeper into me he brags about confirmation of me which is pointless as confirmed town tend to die anyways.

Hmmm

Ill stay on Vivax. I have changed my night actiom from attacking koshi to something else. Hes not the lynch today so he might prove the double lynch. If he claims he got rolebloxked, kill at night. No point in further guessing games. If hes town which is absolutely unlikeöy, its his own fault for his horrendous play thus far.

Skynx would be a good wagon. Alsp tje HamazuraXTakitsubo guy. Will keep an eye on tje thread but im at work so dont expect much, instead ping me directly with questions if there are any. I like that artanis is doing stuff outside of the wagons, given we do not have anyone defending anyone besifes hinself i get really paranoid by now. Sl has a good point with locating scum within the actice players, i need to look at those. Tubesock eg is a guy that i dont remember for anything particular - and tbh im still wondering why NM as replacement was instakilled. We should pay some attention to his reads.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
October 24 2016 11:24 GMT
#2792
Lubatic do you realize youre contributing in no way to the game?
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 11:30 GMT
#2793
^ Another ******* that wants me to proof myself but votes Vivax.


Do I need to copy paste my role PM for you people to grasp how it works or?
I had a good night of sleep.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
October 24 2016 11:32 GMT
#2794
On October 24 2016 20:30 Koshi wrote:
^ Another ******* that wants me to proof myself but votes Vivax.


Do I need to copy paste my role PM for you people to grasp how it works or?

I am not available on deadline. I will not risk that Vivax does not get lynched in case you lied. You claim a thing and are mad at town? Really? You didnt do jack shit D1/N1. Even if you are indeed town, you screwed up way too bad to not get killed at this point.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 11:32 GMT
#2795
ITT Townies being too fucking stupid and a mafia team that doesn't want me to become confirmed town. We are in D2, it's boring as fuck autolynching Vivax, I offer double lynch, which btw is even a pro town move if I didn't even have it, literally nobody is interested in double lynching but everybody is interesting in discrediting me and wants to see me fail so they can jerk off on their shitty read on me and blame somebody except themselves when I flip town.

I hope Vivax isn't mafia. Then I can decide to join the mafia team and just hit baddies till we lose. Like HF. Pretty sure that isn't more against my wincon than what at least a big portion other townies are doing atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
October 24 2016 11:33 GMT
#2796
Also we both know what will happen ig you post your role pm. So please dont do that pathetic fake rage.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
October 24 2016 11:34 GMT
#2797
Ignoring Koshi now. Everything is said and done.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 11:35 GMT
#2798
On October 24 2016 20:30 Koshi wrote:
^ Another ******* that wants me to proof myself but votes Vivax.


Do I need to copy paste my role PM for you people to grasp how it works or?

please do
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 11:35 GMT
#2799
On October 24 2016 20:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2016 20:30 Koshi wrote:
^ Another ******* that wants me to proof myself but votes Vivax.


Do I need to copy paste my role PM for you people to grasp how it works or?

I am not available on deadline. I will not risk that Vivax does not get lynched in case you lied. You claim a thing and are mad at town? Really? You didnt do jack shit D1/N1. Even if you are indeed town, you screwed up way too bad to not get killed at this point.

Screwed up doing what exactly? I sat on Lunatic/Vivax till a shitton people decided I should be lynched or TT. I was voting mafia. You were too busy tunneling me "for not doing enough". Which is not even a reason to scumread somebody btw, it's just creating a shitty townmeta for me in which I need to be hyperactive in each game or I am mafia. Which also fucks my enjoyment when I roll mafia. So fuck off.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 24 2016 11:41 GMT
#2800
In the end the only thing that matters is:

a) Who voted mafia the entire game.
b) Who pushed/voted town the entire game.


Group a are decent players that might become really good players if they can herd the idiots.
Group b are default baddies that might become not total shitters if they can proof themselves to be town while being shit.


I am probably group a. You are group b. The rest of the game it is just a question where you will end in group b. Top of bottom.
I had a good night of sleep.
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