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Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:15 GMT
#790
On August 31 2016 05:12 Koshi wrote:
oh deadline is in 50 mins indeed. Thought it was in 2 hours.

oh... f**k. i can already see half the ppl missing coming in like 1h late -.-

why u no read op ppl?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:18 GMT
#793
On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
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On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.


What about his responses make you think he's town?

Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.

his vote is still on geript.
he will have to vote scott for survival which is perfectly nai.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:25 GMT
#806
On August 31 2016 05:21 Race Bannon wrote:
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On August 31 2016 05:18 disformation wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.


What about his responses make you think he's town?

Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.

his vote is still on geript.
he will have to vote scott for survival which is perfectly nai.

Who except Trfel and Vivax made a case against scott? Can yoube persuaded to help nudge along a Koshi or Vivax choochoo?

uh dunno?
dont think so
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:29 GMT
#814
didnt you say bad things happen when you are playing dota 2 last game?
currently trying to explore my feels about dane shennanies
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:30 GMT
#815
On August 31 2016 05:29 geript wrote:
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On August 31 2016 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:24 geript wrote:
On August 31 2016 05:20 Holyflare wrote:
Hey yeh so the bad thing that is almost definitely ego thing is that palmar sheeps koshi's tw case and then ignores that I've posted one and hasn't town read me.

That's pretty scummy.

I've been thinking about Palmar a lot while doing other things. I'm really tempted to case him but then when I organize my thoughts it comes down to little stuff that I don't like. I just don't feel in any way confident about reading him. Like the best reasons to call him scum is basically how differently he reads me in comparison to you and Koshi and his not wanting to lynch Trfel to potentially confirm himself as town. The first is ok, the second is like a Palmar wifom game. TBH, I'm most interested in lynching Dane right now. I don't hate the TW stuff, but it doesn't make me very hard.


Liking the dane thing a lot. Mt posts were excellent.

Mt posts?

My*
he had a typo. Also took me 2 mins to figure that out. =D
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Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:34 GMT
#816
so we have 28mins left, 6 votes on tw.
do we even have enough manpower to get the dane thing happen? I dont want to accidently cause geript or scott to die
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Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:36 GMT
#818
On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote:
Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive.

eh right, he couldnt even be arsed to link or quote me his great defense.
nvm
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Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:42 GMT
#830
On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote:
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On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote:
Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive.

I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him.

hfs earlyish case on tw:
On August 30 2016 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also more tempted to lynch Tumble because I don't remember him ever playing this badly as town (ignore last game since that was a wtf is going on game), it looks more like he's struggling to fit in at all and can't think of stuff to post:

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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.


^ first instance of a read that says absolutely nothing and then gives a free town read to vivax based on something that didn't even happen, feels forced to give a read at that moment

followed by posts that just involve talking to people aka nothingness conversation:

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 10:48 Tumblewood wrote:
yo daneler, you can just call everyone here "he". the effort is in good will, but it's really not necessary here.

On August 29 2016 10:52 Tumblewood wrote:
that reminds me, daneler, you're not going to get very far reading people for whether their posts are "contributive". this is the most common newbie mistake I see; it seems natural that town would want to contribute and scum wouldn't want to help town, but more often than not that reasoning will lead you astray. try evaluating posters' mindsets or look for inconsistencies.


^ this guy is against gender integration

On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me

On August 29 2016 11:42 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 29 2016 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
Bad how?

oh like I've been unusually lazy and bad


god there's so many i don't even want to quote them all


Anyway, following his crappy posts of nothingness that don't speak about anything to do with the game he has random moments of throwing around one liner posts of a read that have no explanation or follow up whatsoever:

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On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia

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On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:13 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted.

Points to you for paying attention.

why is that a townlean

...

OH SHIT
tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred
or not, maybe

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On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
meh I like scott now

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On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
new scott > afk scott
and is also probably town


his only read of substance is his RB read which is very surface level anyway and not exactly a great read (also ignores what everyone was talking about with regards to RB and his pm crap) and this Scott read which is solely based on activity....

his entire filter is surface level blending

dude is mafia

koshis lengthy and more recent case:
On August 30 2016 19:12 Koshi wrote:
Why tumble is mafia:

1) Worst entrance post of all:
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.


2) Random reads that don't achieve anything. Stuff like this never has even a chance to advance the game:
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On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia

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On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia
Please explain?

nah no thanks


3)
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On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote:
Tumblewood, Koshi. for me.

waitwaitwait hold on
all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia
and we're scumbuddies?
no way

When RB calls us both mafia he goes "nha we are not both mafia". But when HF or myself calls TW mafia he ignores us. This is mafia mindset.

4)
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On August 29 2016 10:44 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote:
Tumblewood, Koshi. for me.

waitwaitwait hold on
all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia
and we're scumbuddies?
no way


I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post.

Willing to townlean you for this though.

thank you, I was proud of that read

What read? This implies that he reads me town.


5)
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On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me

mafia mindset. Lost on what to do.

6)
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On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:13 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted.

Points to you for paying attention.

why is that a townlean

...

OH SHIT
tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred
or not, maybe

Found something to do. It is terrible. But sure, he has scott mafia now?

7)
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On August 29 2016 12:23 Tumblewood wrote:
damn I have these super secret strats but they require me to read filters zzz...
maybe I'll use the super duper secret strat of sheeping someone

random nothingness that will not advance the thread ever.

8)
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On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
meh I like scott now

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
new scott > afk scott
and is also probably town

scott town?

9) I'll add that he made 4 posts about why TT is mafia. (spoiler: TT is 100% town)

10)
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On August 30 2016 06:19 Tumblewood wrote:
seriously koshi you are absurdly tunneled. everything I do is scummy to you. you have literally ignored everything in the game that does not reaffirm your case on me. this is worse than I've ever seen you. usually it's at least not till d2 or you have multiple people or you notice that there are other people in the game
this is an intervention

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On August 30 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote:
wowww did rb really vote koshi in the voting thread? if that doesn't change soon I will be very suspicious of rb. although for now I think this game is different from rb's other two scum games (newbie XX and idk some other game) that looked a lot like luna's town meta. maybe the metamorphosis to spambeast has changed rb's meta a lot though.
back to the koshi vote. if it's semi-serious it's bad

I am town?

11)
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On August 30 2016 06:28 Tumblewood wrote:
I have a plan that is completely unrelated to everything else I've said
if you are rels, stop reading here

...

okay maybe this wasn't what I remember, but somewhere in this qt rels had a post (maybe it was this one)
RelsPerson was signed in when posted
07-21-2016
07:14 AM ET (US)
/m17 be convinced of waht you're saying
and I won't be lynched today no worries

maybe someone who is good can find this but it would be useful to look at how he planned on defending against his lynch D1 in 72hours. or we can just look at how he actually did it. if he remains afk I'll probably vote him in ~6 hours because how he reacts to pressure will be telling.

What is this even? There is a chance Rels comes in the thread posts things and then is maybe mafia? Good plan. How does this advance scumhunting or advance the thread? It is just fluff that makes it look like TW actually does something when he is not doing anything.

12)
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On August 30 2016 06:37 Tumblewood wrote:
strangely I am legit considering koshi as mafia... on the other hand probably omgus

Nope I am mafia. So every post he makes I am town, even pleads to me to stop my tunnel. And then this.

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On August 30 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 30 2016 07:55 Rels wrote:
On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.

Spoilered road to enlightenment.
+ Show Spoiler +

I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.

Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.

So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.

What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.

So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:

- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.

Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.

THE CASE ON SCOTT


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On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Woohoo! Let's do this.

On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?


Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.

Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:24 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

Or he is mafia with him!

2 found?


More of what I was thinking


Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.

Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.


Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.


Random low seriousness post. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.


So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all

So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit

Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.

This could be a good idea.



Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.

He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.

Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?

Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.


He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?


I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.

Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote:
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.


This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.

Did you roll mafia again?


Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
##vote disformation


Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad


His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.

On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


Random question.

On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?


Useless question.

On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.


COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?

On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?


Random questions.

On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:47 disformation wrote:
Yes Vivax much town. wow.


Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?


Random questions.

Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .

Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town

This is a really good case

ty for getting me to actually read it. it is a pretty good case

Remember how scott was town for TW?

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On August 30 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
town
vivax
daneler

also probably town
hf

scummy
tt
scott?

null/don't care yet
most people

Nope he conveniently became mafia.





Lynch Tumblewood. Lynch mafia.

disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:48 GMT
#846
is it weird that i like not being on scott and geript cause these two are who dane is voting for?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:52 GMT
#859
bad rels
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Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:54 GMT
#867
acutally rels vote wont even count cause he didnt unvote
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:55 GMT
#870
all shennanie rels?
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:55 GMT
#873
gogogo! vote rels!
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:57 GMT
#880
we need at least one more on rels
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 20:58 GMT
#891
...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 21:11 GMT
#912
game starts off on a great note I see.

Rels what the fuck happened man, you used to be super good at the game?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 21:18 GMT
#918
  • Rels (6) - Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
  • Trfel (0) - disformation
  • disformation (0) - Holyflare, Koshi, geript
  • Tumblewood (1) - Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
  • Koshi (0) - DanelerH
  • geript (0) - Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
  • scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels, Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
  • TicTock (0) - Tumblewood
  • Vivax (1) - disformation, Race Bannon
  • DanelerH (1) - geript


rels also tried to vote geript, but that vote was invalid.
interesting that nearly everyone on the tw train switched.
big question now is how many scummers are on Rels. I'd say 1-2?

so I guess tomorrow is time to figure out who vote who cause what reason.
note how RB wasted his vote
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Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 21:19 GMT
#919
On August 31 2016 06:17 Trfel wrote:
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On August 31 2016 06:11 disformation wrote:
game starts off on a great note I see.

Rels what the fuck happened man, you used to be super good at the game?
Rels played a decent game.

no he didnt play this game and I hope he doesnt sign up when he has that little time to play
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Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 21:25 GMT
#925
I kinda think ppl pilling onto TW kinda steadily all day and suddenly _ALL_ switching with little resistance esp after the claim means TW is town?
As in both wagons were town.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 30 2016 21:32 GMT
#932
I agree that TT and Palmar look horrible for these votes, yes.
with scott i am not 100% of the vote alone.
but vca would suggest on a first view that tw is more unlikely to be scum and scott is more likely to be scum.
so yeah, scott/TT/Palmar looks like it will flip a lot of red
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