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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 12 2016 14:34 GMT
#181
So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 12 2016 14:38 GMT
#182
Rolf Shape we were asking each other the same question. So I don't know what think of it because it does seems like what Holyflare did to me in HO LY F * * * E Mafia but Holyflare is a vet though. If voro is scum eh picking on a easy target since emperor is a newbie but then again DC is considered a Newbie too because they both haven't played that many games.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
July 12 2016 14:43 GMT
#183
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.

YOU STOLE MY SHIT!

Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.

Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.

If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.

If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
July 12 2016 14:46 GMT
#184
Like, I just have probs. with both of them right now, but Vovo I have a lot of. If that makes sense.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 12 2016 14:48 GMT
#185
Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm.
On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
July 12 2016 14:54 GMT
#186
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm.
On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.

Well, I also have probs. outside of that.
On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote:
can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.


Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.

Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?

vorono

also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site

Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)

He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.

Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
July 12 2016 14:56 GMT
#187
But advast,

even in the case that both are scum, we still need a third partner in crime.

Anyone outside of those two rubbing you wrong LS? No one really stood out out when I catched up expect kush, but kush always does.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 12 2016 14:56 GMT
#188
On July 12 2016 23:11 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 22:53 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 22:43 Shapelog wrote:
On July 12 2016 06:49 emperorchampion wrote:
[image loading]
Figure 1: Shapelog's skill at mafia under certain "conditions".

I call this slander!

I not really able to drink anymore at all.

And, I don't have any interest in drugs or anything.

So, You saying my mafia skill is always going to be shit?


Random number generators are a cruel master

Why, did you roll scum again?


HAH no that graph was made using RNG pure science

Nice pie charts btw
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 12 2016 15:02 GMT
#189
On July 12 2016 23:54 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm.
On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.

Well, I also have probs. outside of that.
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote:
can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.


Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.

Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?

vorono

also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site

Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)

He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.

Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.

Ya I see what you talking about but idk I want to se his response to us talking about him.
On July 12 2016 23:56 Shapelog wrote:
But advast,

even in the case that both are scum, we still need a third partner in crime.

Anyone outside of those two rubbing you wrong LS? No one really stood out out when I catched up expect kush, but kush always does.

No one is rubbing me wrong atm.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 12 2016 15:05 GMT
#190
I dunno why people keep jumping on this meta train. To re-iterate, I don't think I'm "meta"-ing my read of prpl, like I'm not saying oh in town games he does this and in scum games he does this. Just an observation that he has a different idea of how to approach the game due to past failures.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 12 2016 15:12 GMT
#191
On July 12 2016 23:43 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.

YOU STOLE MY SHIT!

Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.

Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.

If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.

If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.


I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)

So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
July 12 2016 15:15 GMT
#192
On July 13 2016 00:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 23:54 Shapelog wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm.
On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.

Well, I also have probs. outside of that.
On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote:
can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.


Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.

Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?

vorono

also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site

Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)

He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.

Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.

Ya I see what you talking about but idk I want to se his response to us talking about him.
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 23:56 Shapelog wrote:
But advast,

even in the case that both are scum, we still need a third partner in crime.

Anyone outside of those two rubbing you wrong LS? No one really stood out out when I catched up expect kush, but kush always does.

No one is rubbing me wrong atm.

Tbf, you have talked about him (IIRC, or at least listed questions) about him before this. I would as well tho.

Is your bff read on Damdred still null or watching or whatever it was?
On July 13 2016 00:05 emperorchampion wrote:
I dunno why people keep jumping on this meta train. To re-iterate, I don't think I'm "meta"-ing my read of prpl, like I'm not saying oh in town games he does this and in scum games he does this. Just an observation that he has a different idea of how to approach the game due to past failures.

Well it is technically meta.

Meta is referring to how you know someone plays normally. Now, 1 game shouldn't tell you how he is normally playing (which is some of the prob. that people have stated) but, you do go into the next game with a bias of how they should play, which is basically meta.

In your case, you called his actions different, yet gave him townie points. This is fine, with evidence or reasoning like yours if you prove it, but you still should expect people to question you about it.

Ik what your doing Emp, I did it too. It is why I am not pushing it more, because, I can/have see people like you do it as either alignment.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 12 2016 15:16 GMT
#193
Emperor on the surface it is a half meta read from your experience.

But let's leave that for now, can you tell me any other reads or anything at this point? Maybe ls shape?

@LS while I appreciate a healthy amount of fear for my scum game I'm not so sure there is a point in trying to deter everyone from town reading me when I have a decent amount of content for that part of the game. What is your angle in this? What read do you have hidden about me that you haven't shared?

@Shape hi shape
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
July 12 2016 15:22 GMT
#194
On July 13 2016 00:12 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 23:43 Shapelog wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.

YOU STOLE MY SHIT!

Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.

Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.

If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.

If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.


I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)

So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?

I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.

What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.

Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.

But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
July 12 2016 15:25 GMT
#195
On July 13 2016 00:16 Damdred wrote:
Emperor on the surface it is a half meta read from your experience.

But let's leave that for now, can you tell me any other reads or anything at this point? Maybe ls, shape?

@LS while I appreciate a healthy amount of fear for my scum game I'm not so sure there is a point in trying to deter everyone from town reading me when I have a decent amount of content for that part of the game. What is your angle in this? What read do you have hidden about me that you haven't shared?

@Shape hi shape

Damdred. Comma Damdred. Comma. You are about as bad as Rels.

Also, that is it? just a fucking HI?

I thought we had something!

I was actually thinking about the @LS point. (hence why I asked him about if his read is still null on you or not) I mean, it isn't like you cannot be catched later in the game if you are scum. And I much rather take scum!damdred to day 3, then lynch town!damdred day 1 based off of weak reasoning or fear.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 12 2016 15:27 GMT
#196
On July 13 2016 00:15 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 00:02 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:54 Shapelog wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm.
On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.

Well, I also have probs. outside of that.
On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote:
can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.


Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.

Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?

vorono

also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site

Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)

He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.

Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.

Ya I see what you talking about but idk I want to se his response to us talking about him.
On July 12 2016 23:56 Shapelog wrote:
But advast,

even in the case that both are scum, we still need a third partner in crime.

Anyone outside of those two rubbing you wrong LS? No one really stood out out when I catched up expect kush, but kush always does.

No one is rubbing me wrong atm.

Tbf, you have talked about him (IIRC, or at least listed questions) about him before this. I would as well tho.

Is your bff read on Damdred still null or watching or whatever it was?
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 00:05 emperorchampion wrote:
I dunno why people keep jumping on this meta train. To re-iterate, I don't think I'm "meta"-ing my read of prpl, like I'm not saying oh in town games he does this and in scum games he does this. Just an observation that he has a different idea of how to approach the game due to past failures.

Well it is technically meta.

Meta is referring to how you know someone plays normally. Now, 1 game shouldn't tell you how he is normally playing (which is some of the prob. that people have stated) but, you do go into the next game with a bias of how they should play, which is basically meta.

In your case, you called his actions different, yet gave him townie points. This is fine, with evidence or reasoning like yours if you prove it, but you still should expect people to question you about it.

Ik what your doing Emp, I did it too. It is why I am not pushing it more, because, I can/have see people like you do it as either alignment.

It not exactly outside of Damdred's scum wheel box yet I do need a little bit more time with him.
On July 13 2016 00:16 Damdred wrote:
Emperor on the surface it is a half meta read from your experience.

But let's leave that for now, can you tell me any other reads or anything at this point? Maybe ls shape?

@LS while I appreciate a healthy amount of fear for my scum game I'm not so sure there is a point in trying to deter everyone from town reading me when I have a decent amount of content for that part of the game. What is your angle in this? What read do you have hidden about me that you haven't shared?

@Shape hi shape

I don't think anything you done is outside of your mafia wheel house atm I do need a little bit of time to figure you out. The KSC read on you were stuff you done last game hence my comment about KSC haven't read your last game.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 12 2016 15:34 GMT
#197
Anyways I think solving Voro and Emperors alignment wil be key on figuring out the scum team atm.
@Emperor what you make of Voro pushing you atm?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 12 2016 15:39 GMT
#198
On July 13 2016 00:22 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 00:12 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:43 Shapelog wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
So Shape what you think of Emperor vs Voro? Just wanting your opinion on it now since it pretty much the center of the game atm.

YOU STOLE MY SHIT!

Emp: nothing i've seen from him convinces me that he is town, I am going ahead and saying that. His power of postivity (aka the posts) freak me out and seem kinda forced too me. Like he is restating too much that he is so happy/hype (or did so early on.) But, while I do have problems with him, Nothing is strongly leaning me to consider him scum other then that. Content wise, nothing stood out too out to me other then the weird meta usage. But, I remember when i was starting, and how I meta people off of 1 game as well.

Voro: Vovo i....Don't like at all. He is super focus on Emp, tunneling him, not reassessing his read at all it seems, completely ignoring everything else in the thread minus early on with prp. and with Khez. Hasn't answer any questions hardly, tried to turn the interaction with Keppee as if Kepper was dodging a question and was sus for that. So, I really do not like him as of now. He needs to expand his read with new posts, or at least interact with the rest of the thread.

If Vovo flips scum, Emp might be more town.

If Emp flips scum, idk honestly if that would prove anything. It is so weak at this point, it reminds me of how i buss someone as scum.


I dunno I think I generally post a lot of smileys, you could probably look at my posts elsewhere on TL to confirm (oh god please dont)

So you think that our interactions (vovo and I) could be scum v scum?

I've hosted/cohosted both of those games that you were scum in. I know. And, you where scum.

What I mean here, is that early on, you just seemed to be relating the fact that you were hype/happy too much IMO. And given your "haven't rolled town yet" it could make sense for you to do that as scum this game.

Mostly Vovo's is the reason why I think so. And no so the interaction, but his push. His push on you is pretty weak now, and reminds me a lot of how i bused people (Doyouhas, TT kinda, Ikido) when i am scum. And given this is a vanilla set up, no mafia role is worth more then the other.

But this relys on you flipping scum. The reason why it doesn't work necessary with you bussing him as SvS, is because your not activitly pushing him enough to get cred after it is done IMO. Which is why you bus in the first place.


I think I pretty much made one post about it, and some pre-game stuff and the rest have been quotes and responding to questions.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
July 12 2016 15:42 GMT
#199
Well I just Broke a banana
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 12 2016 15:44 GMT
#200
On July 13 2016 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways I think solving Voro and Emperors alignment wil be key on figuring out the scum team atm.
@Emperor what you make of Voro pushing you atm?


Feels pretty bs/weak so I have a good feeling that he could be scum. Doesn't feel like reaction testing or anything like that so I don't know other reasons
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