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On June 21 2016 05:16 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 05:14 rsoultin wrote:On June 21 2016 05:08 CopCake wrote:
You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato. your theory only really makes sense if...you know...i actually did that xP just saying My mind is creative and can create all scenarios and possibilities.
cake, the point is you're saying that i'm the most likely scum here because i KNEW that you might make a kill like that for the lolz and wanted to frame you
if that's your reason it's flawed because
1. i haven't tried to frame you. i am quite obviously scumreading shape
2. i actually don't know you well enough to predict your night kills. obviously this is something that i know and you may disagree with, but yeah...i actually said that i doubted you would do this. when this game is over and it's proven that i'm town, you'll see that it's 100% true and your impression of how well you think i know you is wrong lol ><
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On June 21 2016 05:25 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 05:22 rsoultin wrote:On June 21 2016 05:16 CopCake wrote:On June 21 2016 05:14 rsoultin wrote:On June 21 2016 05:08 CopCake wrote:
You also know I dont bother with filters I just read people from the experience and from what I remeber. Knowing you I think you wouldnt do this to frame me since as you said it was easier to keep Yamato alive and frame him after killing a dangerous townie (ie you maybe, why wouldnt someone kill the persons that puts so much effort) So unless someone in the future had planned to say "Cake wouldnt be able to kill Rayn so she went to Yamato lol besides cake is the only one who does this type of thing, killing random players" it kinda makes me believe that is either rsoultin or a newbie who i have no idea who is super new gave the shot to yamato. your theory only really makes sense if...you know...i actually did that xP just saying My mind is creative and can create all scenarios and possibilities. cake, the point is you're saying that i'm the most likely scum here because i KNEW that you might make a kill like that for the lolz and wanted to frame you if that's your reason it's flawed because 1. i haven't tried to frame you. i am quite obviously scumreading shape 2. i actually don't know you well enough to predict your night kills. obviously this is something that i know and you may disagree with, but yeah...i actually said that i doubted you would do this. when this game is over and it's proven that i'm town, you'll see that it's 100% true and your impression of how well you think i know you is wrong lol >< Probabilities of rayn doing this?
rayn is my top townread for how he is interacting with people this game. this is a read that i historically have a ton of trouble explaining, but to me a scum!rayn appears like a bully shouting at people to lynch someone while a town!rayn might be very opinionated, but is more collaborative...i.e. works with people or at least tries to
^ this method of reading him has not failed me if i recall correctly
but independent of that, his response to the nk was to say that you probably WERE NOT scum for the kill, just like mine. if scum is trying to frame you with it, they obviously can't be us
i think it's time that you drop the theory and try to think of the game without it revolving around you/framing you 
and really, my main question to all of these theories is why would someone bother to frame either of you if they could just frame yamato?
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well i'll be honest i can't really discount rayn's comment about skynx...i'd like to hear more from skynx
the problem with shape's response is even though the simplest explanation is him, if he were town here somehow his thought process makes sense -shrugs-
anyway, off to lunch
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I'm finding the possibility of a scrum skynx more credible as time goes on ^^
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On June 21 2016 19:27 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:18 rsoultin wrote:
nh
i'm doing that thing again where i just can't understand the possible scum motivation for shooting yamato when super is being voted for vig shot in thread
i can't definitively say that i believe cake and skynx are cleared here (and part of me cringes at the idea of possibly being wrong on rayn but honestly i'm just never gonna vote him this game cause i'd like to trust my read on him lol ><)
but just the idea of scum willfully and knowingly voting for super WHILE shooting yamato while they could change it, or vote for someone else, idk. i just don't think that ever happens here
i don't want to be wrong, rayn, but i have a hard time seeing anyone but an afk shapelog being scum with super here. it's just such an unnecessary thing for scum to do. like we can argue that it's confusing as shit to have a yamato shot here until the cows come home, and it is, and it does make my brain hurt a bit...
but i just don't see why scum ever goes through the effort here to make it more difficult to win just cuz. like i don't think cake does this, and i don't know skynx, but i do know that he was at least present enough to vote for super and seemed to understand what we were thinking so unless he's the sort to think it would be stylistically cool...
the simplest explanation is just that it was shapelog and scum wasn't here to change their shot Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:29 rsoultin wrote:On June 20 2016 06:21 Skynx wrote:
Meh i think super is goon trying to take a shot for yamato Yeah, skynx definitely understood where the lynch was likely to go if/when super flipped goon -pokes at skynx- the reason you thinking yamato was goon beforehand doesn't make you town, skynxy, is godfather would know who the goon was. that's what rayn is getting at anyway, i'd like to hear from people, especially if y'all think my reasoning's flawed I think you're misinterpreting the scum plot here. Superbia was intentionally being scummy, he wanted to get shot. GF is someone pushing for Super shot and congrats now he's pretty much blend in. We lynched the goon and they killed the only other point of argument so we have no basis to work on basically.
Because we know that yamato was town and this is a more complicated path to the same end, basically. It's possible, of course, but at the end of the day it's simply less intelligent.
If yama were alive right now the likelihood that town ever lynches anyone else is very small. This d1 is, you have to see, hugely more unpredictable and therefore more risky for scum.
That said, you invalidated where my thoughts were going so... -shrugs-
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On June 22 2016 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:i will be here in a couple of hours or so. I'll try to sleep a bit since i am really sick.  How the fuck someone gets a flu in the middle of summer?? Skynx is probably not scum since he is not taking any outs he is being given here. If it's just super good mafia play then i tip my hat to him. More likely though he just genuinely believes in what he says and how he thinks the kill went off.
exactly this lol >< i expect scum who isn't being voted to either a) be less choosy in general and hemming/hawing over who to vote cause they honestly just don't care or b) pushing for the easy (and only really) alternative to their own lynch
skynx didn't
##vote Shapelog
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both super and you were demonstrably afk by the time the vig shot was shifting to super -shrugs- that's the crux of the argument against you, not that you would do this knowingly as scum
if you're town, the best thing that you can do is try to find scum and convince me that way, not make flawed defenses like this that honestly, to me, are flatly disingenuous
i understand how someone with such a good scum record can think that he's good at scum, but i personally have NEVER understood how you got away with it in the first place. lylo with all but confirmed blues is retarded. you got away with it precisely because that move is SO BAD people didn't think scum could do it. that doesn't make you a good scum player. it makes you a nutter lol ><
not that i'm complaining <3 i enjoyed that win. but no, i don't find your scum play impressive. and regardless, no matter what anyone's impression of your scum play is, a kill can't be changed when the scum team is afk. the theory is sound
focus on something else
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this game. you're arguing irrelevant points
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On June 22 2016 01:41 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 01:35 rsoultin wrote:
this game. you're arguing irrelevant points this game, I am town folk looking for a dutch mailman on his way to deliver mail to his lover. Who was framed for the murder of said Dutch mailman, and now is getting unfairly chased by a girl with a wet noddle, who has finally caught up to me. Yet, I know if I go to jail, the real murder will walk away freely. So I must fight for my survival, and catch the perk. Which one sounds more correct?
it sounds like you know what you have to do but still aren't doing it. believe it or not, if i didn't care about being right or not i wouldn't be pushing you this hard. i'd just let you babble about irrelevant things. i suggest that you find the "perk" as you say if you're town...while i'm willing to accept that i bear part of the blame in being wrong if we lose, your behavior today will not win you much sympathy from me
i'm giving you all the room you need and even trying to focus you. please use it. otherwise, feel free to continue blathering about nothing if you're scum ^^ that'll make it easier for all of us
i'm not going to prompt you again
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On June 22 2016 01:58 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +i'm giving you all the room you need and even trying to focus you. please use it. otherwise, feel free to continue blathering about nothing if you're scum ^^ that'll make it easier for all of us I am actually trying to build back my mood for playing mafia. My other game ended like right as I got on, and I am having probs. getting back in a mafia solving mood after it.
well, it's on you ^^; not trying to be bad, but the majority of what i've been doing all day phase is attempting to keep an open mind and get other opinions, because my gut and logic says it's you but i don't want to do what i did with tumblewood lol ><
idk how to help you get your mojo back other than by not burying you and actually considering what you say when you post so...yeah. bbl
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-shrugs-
you may be right, skynx. the thing i often say to the less experienced scum players on my scum teams is "never underestimate the town derp"
i've considered alternatives though and this is where i ended up. all i'm going to ask of you is to consider that you could possibly be wrong and evaluate shapelog independent of your theory which (you must admit) may or may not be correct
i have independent reasons to townread all three of you apart from just "sl makes the most sense as scum to me here"
rayn: town meta (we've played a ton of games together and i'm usually right on him)
cake: clueless (w/ super, i doubt she'd be that last on the scum comp)
you: not playing to win if scum
shape: ??????? only real positive i have for him is early game was more like his town meta, but rayn's right in that this is how he plays scum late game when he has no one to buss...just waffle everywhere and hope town derps
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On June 22 2016 02:48 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2016 02:30 Skynx wrote:
Vito Corleone: yo super my boy go act scummy so they kill you then we shoot Yamato so they start day from zero. I'm gona push you aswell so they don't suspect me one bit.
Superbia: Sure papa.
Shape can't be mafia cuz he'd be around for pushing super last minute. Or at least thats how i see things. The problem with this is the following: Let's say -3 is town victory and 3 is mafia victory on the scale. Why would mafia wanna start from 0 when they can start from 2? That is the crux of the argument. Thats just another strategy of going about it. Super's behavior tells me that mafia just opted for this kind of play straight up. They could ve done what you suggested but Super would've played better if that was the case, least of all not attack you.
if yama flips town and we've vig shot him (which was where the game was at when super posted) where does that put him? it has super hard-defending yamato who was town...what would you think of his alignment then?
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On June 22 2016 02:53 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean Skynx, if that is your argument, i can tell you it only applies to you being mafia.  Because i know noone else in this game thinks so. Even if you think that's what mafia could have done it is 100% certain that noone else does (well Cake says she does but... even Superbia doesn't and as i said i dont think superbia would have let cake make that kill for your reasoning). Noramlly scum kill people who: 1. are on the right track 2. are the biggest threat to your team 3. you can't lynch 4. blue reads (but that doesnt apply here) Yeah i see where you coming from but sometimes i think throwing a curveball is a better play and the core mechanic of this play 100% suggest the kind of play im talking about. Those 1, 2 and 3 you talking about are super hard targets to lynch and basically town has to decide lynching only 1 out of 5 where lot of people are like that. Mafia is basically forcing a logical shot by you on Shapelog because he looks the scummiest. I dunno thats the best i can explain my thoughts
we understand what you're saying. i personally just don't agree that this is the most likely scenario. plays like the one you're describing are generally made when scum is in a good spot...or so bad a spot that they figure they might as well go for the confusion play cause it can't get any worse
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anyway, i'm really just not inclined to change because of the reasons i have to townread the other players, and frankly regardless of shape's alignment it's pretty clear that he doesn't care who scum actually is since he can't be assed to put in the effort to help us find them
if he didn't have time and wasn't posting that might be different. rayn summed it up super well, though
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On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell. Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow. One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever.
why do you think mafia would lose if super wasn't vig shot?
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if yamato was double shot that has
4 town
2 mafia
in d1 lylo...that's a 1 in 3 chance of landing on mafia randomly and town has to be fairly coordinated/agreed on who they're going to lynch?
like yeah super was acting scummy you're right but he chose to, skynx. it wasn't until he came out hard-defending yamato and pushing the let's lynch rayn idea that a lot of people started wanting to lynch him, unless i'm misremembering?
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On June 22 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2016 03:04 Skynx wrote:On June 22 2016 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can't see anyone else being scum except for Shapelog here.
If you do, please do tell. Cop is mafia. Think of your defence of her in your megapost last page with my pow. One key point with that logic which suggests cop is mafia aswell is that mafia under no circumstances can afford Super not getting lynched cuz they would lose then. So GF has to be someone who doesn't even consider voting for someone else on eod. Check 2 pages before, her 2 short posts are declaring vote on Super with no compromise. Me, you and tina are struggling and in the end go for Super. Shape is absent cuz whatever. The problem is why does Superbia make that play then? Cake was not scumread, Superbia was not scumread by anyone except me. Why not shoot me and be townread instead of making a play you don't even know will succeed? How does shooting you gives towncred? Super was scumread by three including me you n tina, Shape likely to vote Super aswell beacuase of earlier beef.
no? my scumreads were cop and yamato...super's we should vig shot rayn as scariest town line was where i flipped
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anyway lol yeah rayn is right i should drop it, too -stretches- i don't really think that it's cake but i just want to ask you if you're very sure, rayn? cause yeah if it's skynx he's playing scum excellently here lol >< so i don't think i'm ever going to vote him
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On June 20 2016 00:53 CopCake wrote:
Also rayn you know i bus hard when i think clearly is 100% mafia and rn I will go Sup with it.
On June 20 2016 04:56 CopCake wrote:
Let me get something
Mafia godfather is the person that when a cop checks him gets he is town, that is what i know.
How does it work here if there is no cop?
On June 20 2016 04:57 CopCake wrote:
I wanna know if the role godfather works the same here as the one i am used to in other sites.
^ honestly this just wins major swag points if cake is scum this game lol >< she would have told us her plan directly plus played at being dumb about her own role
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yeah i think i'm comfortable w/ my vote. i'll bebop by closer to deadline to see if anyone comes in with a EUREKA! point that just makes my head spin and makes me worship them as the god of all mafia >> (or, you know, mentions something i missed lol ><)
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