EPTMy odd/even number thing works perfectly.
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Superbia
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My odd/even number thing works perfectly. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
Yes, that makes 100% sense now and I agree after doing the math myself. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On June 10 2016 17:29 Jealous wrote: I'm starting to think that I'm wholly retarded, because I don't follow your logic either. Can you explain it in greater detail, more inductive reasoning steps in between? Three possible scenarios. a) Moosy is cop, I am doc. b) Moosy is scum fakeclaiming, I am doc c) Moosy is cop, I am scum. Superbia says that a) is not possible, so it's b) or c). Since I know that I am the doctor, I say it's b) and we should lynch Moosydoosy. He will of course say the opposite. If Superbia is correct in his die simulation, we have scenario B. This means that both Moosy and me are dead, only the order is relevant. If I get lynched as Doc, Moosy will be lynched next day or shot by the potential vig next night. If Moosy gets lynched as scum, I will be shot at night by scum since I am the doc. Worst situation though is if Superbia is wrong, situtation a is possible, and situation a is given. Then it's a lose-lose-situation: it's town-doc vs. town-cop. If Moosy gets lynched as cop, I will be lynched as doc. If I get lynched as doc, Moosy will be killed as cop. Either way, situation a) would suck so I absolutely hope Superbia is right. Because if Superbia is right, then Moosy has just outed himself as scum and we lose Doctor at night vs. the first scummer. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
If moosy is lying he can be counterclaimed by the real vigi/cop. If this doesn't happen you are automatically lying. We do not need a CC on you. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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You guys are currently on the verge of losing this game because Moosy made a ballsy move and made the doctor claim. It's now up to you to believe me and actually see through what Moosy is doing - or follow his plan and tunnel me into oblivion, which is what Superbia is currently doing. Superbia, you're math can be correct, granted - but all you interpret into your math is that I am not the doc. Please take a step back from the thread, have a deep look at MoosyDoosy, the value he added to the town on D1 (which is none), the surprising 180 he pulled on D2 which even made me townread him, and then the claim on D3. Also keep in mind that the host did not answer anything about the setup yet, so the possibility of a framer/roleblock/?? vs. cop/doc setup should not be dismissed anytime soon. Finalizing my thoughts, I think it's time to ##vote MoosyDoosy. I'm pretty sure he's scum fakeclaiming a power role. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On June 10 2016 18:03 beentheredonethat wrote: Three possible scenarios. a) Moosy is cop, I am doc. b) Moosy is scum fakeclaiming, I am doc c) Moosy is cop, I am scum. Superbia says that a) is not possible, so it's b) or c). Since I know that I am the doctor, I say it's b) and we should lynch Moosydoosy. He will of course say the opposite. If Superbia is correct in his die simulation, we have scenario B. This means that both Moosy and me are dead, only the order is relevant. If I get lynched as Doc, Moosy will be lynched next day or shot by the potential vig next night. If Moosy gets lynched as scum, I will be shot at night by scum since I am the doc. Worst situation though is if Superbia is wrong, situtation a is possible, and situation a is given. Then it's a lose-lose-situation: it's town-doc vs. town-cop. If Moosy gets lynched as cop, I will be lynched as doc. If I get lynched as doc, Moosy will be killed as cop. Either way, situation a) would suck so I absolutely hope Superbia is right. Because if Superbia is right, then Moosy has just outed himself as scum and we lose Doctor at night vs. the first scummer. If you get lynched as doc, the game is over unless the vig does not get RB'd and makes a successful shot. You don't even know it's MYLO, right? From Superbia's analysis - if he's fakeclaiming, there's a real cop or a unclaimed vig (which hasn't shot? doubtful) "Moosy will be lynched next day or shot by the potential vig next night." " If Moosy gets lynched as cop, I will be lynched as doc. If I get lynched as doc, Moosy will be killed as cop." Your not thinking like a townie or a doc. Here's your shovel. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
If you're mafia you're either dead or one of your team mates has to put himself on the line. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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I am paranoid enough by now to see a MoosyDoosy/Superbia scum team. Given superbias style of high quantity, low volume posts, I think that makes perfect sense. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gU12bso.png) Six numbers are rolled - we'll name some combos, 2, 3,1 like above=6 If you roll 4 for a specific number, it equals 0, follow me? so you can have 0,1,1=6 (since 4=0) follow me? In your scenario with framer/cop/doc, it would have to be 3+1+1=5 (not 6) 1+1+1+? (not 6) they call come out odd (or, to make it easier, not 6) to be Framer/Cop/Doc So Framer/Doc/Cop according to the OP, cannot exist. Does that make sense? | ||
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Superbia
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scott31337
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On June 10 2016 10:04 Tictock wrote: Ok I said I was gunna hold off, but mulling things over I think I feel pretty good about Moosy's claim. As such I propose we have a very solid town circle of Moosy, Jealous, and myself (I think I can backup why I am town if I need to). I also feel pretty good about Emp being town still. So question to Moosy and Jealous. What do you guys think about Emp? Assuming for a moment that he is town, who do you think the last townie is? (between Skynx, Scott and Super) + Show Spoiler [Irony] + This reminded me... On June 07 2016 06:01 Tumblewood wrote: scumlist v2.0 everyone whose name starts with s Personally I could actually see a team of BtDt, Skynx and Super/Scott. So uhhhmmm,yeah - | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 10 2016 15:53 beentheredonethat wrote: Just catching up. Posting from mobile since Moosy just claimed. Since there was no cc just yet, I think he is either genuine or no cop is in. I am not scum and I really want to point out that there is a framer in. I am the doc. I was roleblocked night 1, trying to save tumble, and I saved Jealous last night. Given that no vig kill on Emperor happened, I think we do not have a vig in which makes Moosys cmaim stronger. Only thing is that his claim forced me to claim myself. We will be fucked if we lynch myself for Moosys framed check. Moosy will be killed at night then and if I count correctly, we lost. I posted extremely low volume all the time to not get on scum radar which so far worked. So long story short: Moosy is the cop. There is a framer in. I am doctor. Honestly this sounds like me when I got tracked as scum delivering KP, didn't want to outright call the person who tracked me scum and tried to invent a world where everyone was town. Your reads check out I guess. You TR Tumble and put some faith in his posts, but the TR on Jealous feels less fleshed out. Tbh though there isn't much to go on. Eh the world you propose is hard to believe because for you to be town mafia not only must have a framer (which is apparently impossible, if I understood the setup) but also a Roleblocker, and both targeted you. Moosy's claim is much smoother and tracks really well given his posts, which means for him to be fake claiming he planned it out from the start of D2. So yea, I'm believing Moosy all the way here. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 10 2016 14:00 Superbia wrote: Also tt you are so different from pyp I take a different approach everygame. Also I tend to get more involved as the game goes on, and PyP was one hell of a game. + Show Spoiler + Sadly, even that EoN case didn't do the job it was supposed to do... Does that make me scum? Fight me. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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Superbia
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On June 10 2016 19:20 Tictock wrote: I take a different approach everygame. Also I tend to get more involved as the game goes on, and PyP was one hell of a game. + Show Spoiler + Sadly, even that EoN case didn't do the job it was supposed to do... Does that make me scum? Fight me. You genuinely think I'm scum? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Honestly it's kinda a toss up between you and Scott for me. I've been reading both you guys mostly on feels. This is of course assuming we aren't in one of the crazier worlds where Jealous is GF, Moosy is scum, my Yolo read of Emp is wrong. Tumble had a point about there being a mismatch in the quantity of your posting vs your drive and content. There is also a similarity in your own posting from PyP. Active and poking at the game, but letting others drive the game. Stuff like pointless go-nowhere questions. + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote: Ok, wasn't sure how I wanted to do this... I'm gunna try and just keep it simple. I've prepared a few questions for everyone, they might be a little strange but if you could humor me. This is for science. 1) Emperorchampion - How difficult is this game for you? Is it easier or harder than you expected? Is there anybody who has a style of play that you admire or enjoy? 2) Skynx - Assume you got Vig shot right this moment (eliminated from the game)... What is the first thing you would do? Both Kush and me flip scum, how might you start looking for the last scum? 4) Scott31337 - What do you like to do to develop reads? What is your opinion of the current atmosphere of the game? Disregarding low activity, who is your weakest read? 5) blkcoffee - 6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing? 1) beentheredonethat - How do you feel about your play so far this game compared to past games? How confident do you feel in your reads right now? 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Scale of 1-5 how much fun are you having in this game? Does it compare to any recent games? Assume you are able to make some very game influential move before you die, would you prefer to clinch the game near LyLo or secure an early lead? 4) nnn_thekushmountians - What has gone right this game? What has gone wrong? How should we learn from our mistakes rather than make them again? 5) Superbia - Where do you get your drive from? What gets you motivated? What needs cultivating right now? 6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us? This took a surprisingly long time... Was hoping to have it finished last night, but I was too tired after GSL. | ||
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