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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 07 2016 20:14 GMT
#1258
On June 08 2016 03:58 Superbia wrote:
What's your thought process behind that team?


Kush semi defended Moosy from BtDt and has pretty much ignored Jealous while having suspicions on Tumble for no reason. Similarly I get the sense that Jealous has ignored Kush and Moosy.

It's pretty shit but it kinda fit.

This also just from what I recall, I didn't bother to fact check or check filters.

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 07 2016 20:17 GMT
#1259
On June 08 2016 04:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 03:23 Tictock wrote:
On June 08 2016 03:06 emperorchampion wrote:
Some thoughts on scum teams:
-super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush
-TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 07:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
A lot of quiet people this close to deadline has me worried for this wagon


Hmmmmmm

Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom



On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, I got some time to look over things -

1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses -
2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.
5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter
6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean

Venturing Vets

1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean
2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling -
4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy.
5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now
6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF
7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind

I think I have too many "townies" -

I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read.


I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak.

- Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler +

I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order):

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 08 2016 00:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 00:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team.

So what's your read on Jealous now?

On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this.

He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip?

On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 23:56 Superbia wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this.

He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip?


That does not facilitate such a response. From what I recall, you have taken every opportunity to call him town throughout the game. Why?

I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter.

What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team.

Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game?

On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 23:57 Superbia wrote:
I can explain why I think jealous may be scum but tbh you can prob figure it out from my filter

Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations.

On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip?


- I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think.


aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now...


Where are these teams coming from? This seems like you drew names out of a hat then went to think about if they made sense as a team.

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 03:48 Tictock wrote:
And just to take things a step too far...

If kush is in fact mafia I'm kinda thinking of a team like Kush/Moosy/Jealous

just thought it was slightly ironic so I wanted to point it out


So you don't wanna answer my question? I just explained where I got my 3 names from.

It's a shitty pre-flip associative based team.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 07 2016 20:18 GMT
#1261
Ugh, I need to read better kus I though Emp made that post.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 07 2016 20:33 GMT
#1266
On June 08 2016 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 05:17 Tictock wrote:
On June 08 2016 04:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 08 2016 03:23 Tictock wrote:
On June 08 2016 03:06 emperorchampion wrote:
Some thoughts on scum teams:
-super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush
-TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 07:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
A lot of quiet people this close to deadline has me worried for this wagon


Hmmmmmm

Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom



On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, I got some time to look over things -

1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses -
2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.
5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter
6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean

Venturing Vets

1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean
2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling -
4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy.
5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now
6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF
7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind

I think I have too many "townies" -

I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read.


I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak.

- Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler +

I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order):

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 08 2016 00:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 00:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I just felt like a vote for QT got the same information as a vote for jealous. For me, I became most interested in finding out if QT/Tumble were a maf team.

So what's your read on Jealous now?

On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this.

He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip?

On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 23:56 Superbia wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this.

He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip?


That does not facilitate such a response. From what I recall, you have taken every opportunity to call him town throughout the game. Why?

I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter.

What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team.

Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game?

On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 23:57 Superbia wrote:
I can explain why I think jealous may be scum but tbh you can prob figure it out from my filter

Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations.

On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip?


- I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think.


aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now...


Where are these teams coming from? This seems like you drew names out of a hat then went to think about if they made sense as a team.

On June 08 2016 03:48 Tictock wrote:
And just to take things a step too far...

If kush is in fact mafia I'm kinda thinking of a team like Kush/Moosy/Jealous

just thought it was slightly ironic so I wanted to point it out


So you don't wanna answer my question? I just explained where I got my 3 names from.

It's a shitty pre-flip associative based team.

he listed me, kush, jealous as a team and you said his post was shitty. Then you gave the exact same team. Nice!


I didn't call his post bad, I asked where he was getting his teams from kus they seemed pretty random.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 07 2016 20:38 GMT
#1268
On June 08 2016 05:24 Superbia wrote:
Where is kush.

TT who are never mafia for you?


I'd kinda like to get back to you on this.

But gut feeling?
Super
FF
Scott

and probably...
Emp
Blkcoffee
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 07 2016 20:41 GMT
#1270
Uhh nothing new to go on so my read hasn't changed.

Yolo
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 07 2016 21:04 GMT
#1281
On June 08 2016 05:42 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 05:41 Tictock wrote:
Uhh nothing new to go on so my read hasn't changed.

Yolo


He's probably going to get replaced or modkilled. I think we shouldn't give his slot a pass if he gets replaced. Agreed?


Sure, but until then there doesn't seem to be much point discussing an inactive slot.

Besides I stand by my town lean based on the few posts blkcoffee did manage to make.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 02:41 GMT
#1305
I'd actually like to know why BtDt gave FF a townread for shenanigans onto him...

and why I did the same thing but was just a null read

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe.

It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT.

As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to:

Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy

Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely.

I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high.

My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock.



I still want to keep my vote on Kush though kus he doesn't seem like he cares and I remember town Kush giving a shit.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 06:42 GMT
#1307
Jealous who do you think we should lynch today?

also...

I feel like 3/4 of the game has barely posted or even voted. This needs to change.

After missing the mark fairly badly D1 we need to pick this game up.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 07:06 GMT
#1309
I'm gunna try something wierd...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 07:11 GMT
#1310
On June 08 2016 16:01 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 15:42 Tictock wrote:
Jealous who do you think we should lynch today?

also...

I feel like 3/4 of the game has barely posted or even voted. This needs to change.

After missing the mark fairly badly D1 we need to pick this game up.

I'm still not sure. I was going to see how the other votes and reads pan out as we approach the deadline, because apparently a lot of stuff happens then. This game has been confusing in general - Skynx has had the strongest scumread bandwagon, whereas kush has had the strongest lynch vote bandwagon, simply wtf?

I like how you said "who do you think we should lynch today" as if I actually am town leader. I probably have less of a clue about what is going on than any of you. Based on what my vague retrospect ("gut") without going in-depth on any filters today, I would say that EC, BTDT, kush are all viable options, in decreasing order, with Scott being a potential mystery factor because so far none of his posts have struck me as very scummy but he also hasn't posted much so I can't say for certain.


This has nothing to do with being a leader or not, it's a valid question regardless.

Still without looking at filters...

Why EC first? Or why is he most scummy?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 20:16 GMT
#1390
Ok, wasn't sure how I wanted to do this... I'm gunna try and just keep it simple.

I've prepared a few questions for everyone, they might be a little strange but if you could humor me. This is for science.

1) Emperorchampion - How difficult is this game for you? Is it easier or harder than you expected? Is there anybody who has a style of play that you admire or enjoy?
2) Skynx - Assume you got Vig shot right this moment (eliminated from the game)... What is the first thing you would do? Both Kush and me flip scum, how might you start looking for the last scum?
4) Scott31337 - What do you like to do to develop reads? What is your opinion of the current atmosphere of the game? Disregarding low activity, who is your weakest read?
5) blkcoffee -
6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing?
1) beentheredonethat - How do you feel about your play so far this game compared to past games? How confident do you feel in your reads right now?
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Scale of 1-5 how much fun are you having in this game? Does it compare to any recent games? Assume you are able to make some very game influential move before you die, would you prefer to clinch the game near LyLo or secure an early lead?
4) nnn_thekushmountians - What has gone right this game? What has gone wrong? How should we learn from our mistakes rather than make them again?
5) Superbia - Where do you get your drive from? What gets you motivated? What needs cultivating right now?
6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us?

This took a surprisingly long time... Was hoping to have it finished last night, but I was too tired after GSL.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 20:20 GMT
#1393
On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.


What do you mean by a big target?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 20:47 GMT
#1396
Wow 2 people answered my questions already.

Thanks guys!

Having caught up... I think the lack of defense and more importantly the lack of anything from Kush means I'm ok with him being the lynch. I know he posted that he was gunna be low effort in pre-game, but this is like no-effort.

I'm kinda feeling like Emp and Skynx are bad lynches today kus they are actually contributing at a fairly consistant level. Still unsure about Skynx though with this recent "lets kill big targets and not scott!" "Big targets are people like scott, BtDt..."

I'm liking Jealous less, partially just for contributing a lot less today. Mostly because he made a big deal about our Shennanies D1 and today has basically refused to discuss reads. The 180 there doesn't track very well for me because he's going against what was apparently his idea of how the game should be played.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 20:47 GMT
#1397
Moosy, who would be your 2nd pick to lynch after Emp?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 20:57 GMT
#1399
I'll discuss more regarding those questions when most people have answered them. Since I didn't get to post them last night when I wanted I'm not going to try and weigh stuff from them into todays lynch.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not even 100% sure I know what I'm doing with them either. Just trying something new... well new-ish.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 21:06 GMT
#1404
On June 09 2016 06:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 05:47 Tictock wrote:
Moosy, who would be your 2nd pick to lynch after Emp?

skynx


Last question for you, I swear.

Given that it looks like Kush might be getting lynched but he is not your pick, do you think he is a coinflip or is he more likely to flip one alignment over the other in your mind?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 21:12 GMT
#1409
On June 09 2016 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us?

generally or with relation to this game? These are vague questions


Moreso with relation to this game, unless there is a general answer that really stands out to you.

Yea, some of these were easier than others for me to conceive.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 21:45 GMT
#1413
On June 09 2016 06:32 Jealous wrote:
I also want to add that the two people as of the end of Day 1 who were the most townread besides TW are Superbia and BTDT. It may be too early to start worrying about night right now, but if neither of them gets killed, wouldn't that be an interesting piece of evidence?


Using night kill logic or "why are you alive" thinking is pretty haphazard at best.

Especially bad when it's still fairly early in the game and information is still really sparse.

"Why are you alive" type thinking really shouldn't happen till LyLo is looming, and even then it's not great in all circumstances.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2016 21:46 GMT
#1415
On June 09 2016 06:36 scott31337 wrote:
Ff does this feel like it did yesterday or no?


Who would you prefer to lynch?
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