[M][Cap] Tortoise Mafia - Page 8

On May 03 2016 19:31 gumshoe wrote:


While I can appreciate the sentiment, I'm not voting for someone I think is town at Lylo, end of story.

On May 03 2016 19:51 gumshoe wrote:


Dude, townies fucking suck at this game. Someone bieng terrible and scummy is not a reliable way of catching scum unless it's paticularly uncharacteristic of them to be so. I've literally been in this exact position like 5 times and it's just as likely to be the competent player as it is to be the derp one.

Nk analysis plus vote analysis plus scum relations are the best way to find scum. And even if holes can be pocked at them, those holes aren't as likely as the obvious conclusions. All my instincts and logic say that the evidence points to shape bieng a pathetic townie, just like I am, just like fedie and gb were.

Hts is a strong active player who probably rolled with scum mates she could buss (ie lower than her in skill) so of course I expect her filter to look great. Just like blazings in vanilla / :

On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote:
DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read.

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SaltShaker Kinda debating putting him in the scum lean cat. (I did) I would expect him to do more after saying most people are going to wait to post (his 3rd post.) Also this post really doesn't give much if you look at it:

A lot of his town reads aren't really explained (TT) and just feels rushed in a way. He is kinda avoids a read on 3 people (talks about FF, but doesn't actually really gives a read, more so on the threads interaction on FF) (HTS statement was pretty none positional) (and I have really no clue what he means on mine lol)

He also doesn't seem to go after anyone other than GB. And focuses on GB on his next post.

On April 22 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:
##Vote: Sicklucker

My reasoning in my list + Still not being here

Might not stay, (as I am still looking at things) but is where my heart is.

On April 22 2016 07:10 Shapelog wrote:
Hmmm.
I do not understand why FF was open to a HTS vote.


He hasn't come back. So logic says that SL should be his lynched for today.


Even though he did have sus. towards HTS. i do not understand why he thinks another vote without giving reasoning behind it. FF basically said "no show = vote" yet he is still looking at other lynches. It feels a bit opportunistic, and is really concerning if Sl gets lynched and flips scum. I feel like the first few posts was just him talking to talk, but now his person is getting lynched (other than LS, which by the time he posted the sky comment, was still before he went with damdred.)

On April 22 2016 07:16 Shapelog wrote:
Saltshaker, you finally decided to show up. Just 30 mins roughly from deadline.
Yay....

Prob. my 4/5 post or w/e

On April 27 2016 02:44 Shapelog wrote:
Alright, If life can allow me to fucking play, then I can fucking play.

Some thoughts on the game.

I thought gb, after reading, he actually was on during the time the DYH lynch started, yet he declared afk status about 15 mins before LS's post about wanting to lynch DYH. And his next post is a few hours after the lynch. If it was what I thought it was (He was here while the DYH was getting pushed) then I would TR him for not standing up and defending.

Anyways,

Gb was focused on SL early on, yet I can see both sides of the coin doing it. Yet the prob (and this has prob. been said, do not care) I have is SL. SL only written person he wanted to lynch D1 was GB

I guess me or HTS he was keeping options open for. Anyways,

So SL wanted to lynch GB, and posts this right afterwards:


SL then goes afk, GB posts some things about reads and such. So maybe, scum!SL changed his mind on GB.

Nope, he didn't. TT is a bit high on his list, for reasons he has trouble remembering. Noteing and moving on.

What is interesting to me though, is that SL obv. spent his time arguing for his survival, yet had a scum read (GB) that he could push from a scum perspective. And with the votes:



So HTS was a weird vote tbh. GB was much higher in his lynch list, even stated points again that would make him scum again. Really out of place in terms of reads and what not. + note the open option he had on me and HTS.

Idk, the fact that SL voted HTS (for being a lady killer?) over someone that he scum read makes no sense. The lynch was basically set at the time HTS was voted for too as well.

What is even more damming is the fact that two mafia basically off wagon vote. Which is strange tbh. It could be that mafia was a course fine with the wagon, which makes sense. But 2 mafia off wagoning (at the end), is quite strange tbh. 3 other people (Fidei86, TT, and GB) all also solo wagoned as well (for a total of 5 off wagons)

Then you got the people who voted for the people on the main wagon, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky and Me. Which, when I get more time, I look back at these people around the time of the start of the FF wagon.

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D2:

VC:

Ik someone made the agurement that Scum needed a ML here, and they associative read DYH and GB together that way. I kinda feel if that was the case though, that they would pick someone more like Gum to push, especially since Gum A) was easier to ML (guy basically voted for himself lol) and B) because anyone could have change his reads tbh to get him lynched. And the Gum was already in bad stands according to DYH. It also doesn't seem really realistic for them in the case to do that, as KOshi wasn't on top of enough peoples lynch list. There is also another one, in which someone said something about GB (maybe it was Gum) carrying the team, which is kinda meh considering the fact of the AFK time.

Actually, it is kinda weird that he was sus. of Gum enough to say that he needed to get lynched, yet he didn't push. Hmm, I get to it in the DYH part of this post.

The only real throw away vote tbh (I guess you could argue that GB is a bit throwy, yet it isn't solo) is from suppose vig (which btw, I trust his claim since him breadcrumbing and quick claim after sus. makes sense after dieing last game due to not claiming. I.E. Makes sense for him to be breadcrumbing and what not) So nothing there.

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I've read his Filter, and this is some things I see.

• Early pressure on gum
  
• Pressure on me
  
• Town read on HTS
  
• Pressure on Koshi
  
• Town read on GB (reason:case on Koshi)
  
• On April 25 2016 05:29 DoYouHas wrote:
  

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  On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
  There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight.
  
  Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going?
  

  
  
  Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum.
  
  
• keep options open on me
  
• Tinfoil, but it is possible he was lurking, since he GG after 4 mins after deadline, yet was AFK due to playing legue (which seems off to meh)
  

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There is actually a lot more pointing to GB than anyone else actually. Like I knew a lot pointed to him, but damm.
The HTS vote from SL D1 over GB also seems a bit weird to me as well.

I am going to reread some more filters. Primarily Gum and TT and maybe Fidei86. Koshi I feel strongly town btw.
+ Show Spoiler [OH YEAH] +

point 5: if hts is the final scummer, we can assume he was having a hard time pushing as no one was actually scum XD which may very well explain his hesitance, for proof though I was also busy, I was frustrated with the situation as well making the game hard to play at all.