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On April 22 2016 08:33 Damdred wrote:
Obviously when you have 5 voters doing dick all unless 3/5 of them are scum you probably won't ever hit a mafia.
So you kinda just showed my point.
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When you see people wasting their votes and the main has like 5 people on it with no people firmly proposing a second wagon it is clear mafia is comfortable with that lynch.
If that is your point... Why did you stay on FF?
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On April 22 2016 09:00 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:31 Hapahauli wrote:Final Vote Count: Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, Damdred Koshi (1) - Sicklucker LightningStrike (1) - GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast Come on GB
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Exactly what I said?
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Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere.
Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me.
What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree?
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For what reason you think Koshi and LS are town, damdy?
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On April 24 2016 00:41 Fidei86 wrote:
I want to believe GB is town, but he has been so low energy, and his list post was so nit-picky, I cannot rule him out.
The main thing I want from GB is to get over losing Damdred, his only strong read, and tell the rest of us what he's thinking.
Hello.
Nitpicky on what?
I don't trust a single word from Koshi. This is where I'm at atm. Everything he says looks forced to me.
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On April 24 2016 01:29 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:25 GlowingBear wrote:On April 24 2016 00:41 Fidei86 wrote:
I want to believe GB is town, but he has been so low energy, and his list post was so nit-picky, I cannot rule him out.
The main thing I want from GB is to get over losing Damdred, his only strong read, and tell the rest of us what he's thinking. Hello. Nitpicky on what? I don't trust a single word from Koshi. This is where I'm at atm. Everything he says looks forced to me. All of your reads were based on one or two posts from those people, and your issues with those posts were ... Minor I'd say. So are you saying you think Koshi is Mafia?
Yes.
I wasn't being nitpicky. Damdred turns out to be town. I've townread him based on a few posts. Those initial posts were pretty informational to me
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On April 24 2016 01:59 Half the Sky wrote:9/40 I also noticed one minor mistake in last night's reconstruct, so I'll re-colour with Tumbleweed in blue... Shapelog I feel from pure voting is unlikely to be mafia, otherwise he was in the process of engineering a sick bus on sicklucker. IDK. I need to double check that read progression. Vote Reconstruction v22124, approx 2h prior to EoDShow nested quote +On April 22 2016 05:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
Not voted (5) - Shapelog, DoYouHas, Damdred, gumshoe, Fecalfeast
2244, approx 45m prior to EoD - sicklucker was the hammer Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (1) - Gumshoe
Not Voting (1) - DoYouHas 2315, or 15m to EoD - sickucker STILL the lynch with most votes DISCLAIMER: I reconstructed from here on out with strikethroughs this vote from the voting thread - call me out if I've made a mistake. Sicklucker (4) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe Fecalfeast (3) - Tumblewood, Koshi, DamdredLightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sickluckerGumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - GumshoeShapelog (1) - DoYouHas DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoeLightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Koshi (1) - sickluckerGumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - GumshoeShapelog (1) - DoYouHas DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sickluckerLightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 TicTock (0) - GumshoeShapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - FecalfeastDoYouHas (0) - Koshi, TumblewoodKoshi (0) - sickluckerSicklucker (0) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe2330 - End of Day 1Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker, DamdredLightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - FecalfeastKoshi (1) - sicklucker, sickluckerDoYouHas (0) - Koshi, TumblewoodSicklucker (0) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoeTicTock (0) - GumshoeSo looking at this, I am a bit worried, I still have my phobias from Day 1 on Koshi but I got a WIFOM feeling from gumshoe's last posts. I think there's one mafia between Koshi/gumshoe based on the Fecalfeast wagon. Fidei had been all over the shop with his reads, but I gotta re-read him. From votes alone, Shapelog is looking better but I need to see whether shit is off between him and sicklucker. I know sicklucker commented jack all on him, it was all about me. DYH - I will put questions to him in another post. He's just posted too little and we just need more informations from him. Tictock, if mafia is a sleeper mafia...but I'm doubting it based on the quality of his posts. I'm doubting it at the moment. I'll re-read that filter that to be sure. For now, it's one of in Koshi/gumshoe as mafia. Fidei needs a review, Shapelog needs a review for filter. There is one mafia somewhere in DYH/GlowingBear. Tictock and LS I am thinking are town. This is where I stand atm.
HTS, since you're basing your reads mostly on VCA, why do you think there is mafia between me and DYH?
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Wait, where did Tumblewood hard claimed vigi?
Not that he isn't, but I'd love to see him saying it word by word.
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I'm voting Koshi. I think his posts are following a private agenda. I don't really trust he believes in what he is saying.
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On April 24 2016 04:00 Half the Sky wrote:12/40 Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 02:31 GlowingBear wrote:
HTS, since you're basing your reads mostly on VCA, why do you think there is mafia between me and DYH? I'm trying to isolate those on the FF wagon, and those who were solo voters, and then using other (non-voting) criteria to eliminate or townread or whatever. I'm of the working theory that of the two remaining mafia, there was one mafia that was on FF and one mafia that was a solo voter. "Between you and DYH" implies that of the solo voters, you two are lookign like the most mafia to me, not that any interactions between you and DYH means one of you is mafia. Sorry for the confusion.
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I see, but this doesn't have a logical basis at all. Mafia could pretty much pile up on SL's counter wagon. It's hard for me to believe mafia would waste their votes under that situation.
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Especially DYH who decided to vote Shapelog 15 minutes before EOD. He either knew a teammate would hammer FF or he simply is town.
Because, if he is mafia, he is not saving his partner and he is not bussing for cred. For what reason he decided to vote someone else, then? Where is the Mafia motivation?
You could say "to be town read like you're doing right now", and I would say it is possible. But is it most likely? I don't think so
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Tell me the logical basis of "one of the underwhelming players is surely Mafia"
Every Mafia member can be active and doing stuff. Being "underwhelming" doesn't necessarily means someone is Mafia. There is no rule that "in every game, there is always an underwhelming Mafia player"
This is just an easy excuse to call people Mafia. I want you to give me real reasons to why you think someone is Mafia.
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On April 24 2016 05:07 Koshi wrote:
The first bunch of quotes are all pretty much in range of mafia on mafia.
The second to last quote I don't understand what he is saying.
Then the last quote kinda looks like he is attacking ff for wanting to vote off sl?
all in all doesn't look too good for Shape.
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And this is why Shapelog is Mafia?
Can you please summarise to me all the reason you think Shapelog is Mafia?
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On April 24 2016 05:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:
Koshi:
How did your read evolve on HtS? (as in, your reasons to change it)
Why did you make a big WoT and then go vote Shape? (and why are you voting him) 1) 1 good post. and then me thinking it could be LS being mafia. But atm I am back to LS being 100% town and HTS mehish. Even though she does a lot of work I just dislike some thingies. But sure, probably town. 2) I dont' remember what WoT I did. If it is the thing on gumshoe it was just me opening his filter and taking some quotes. Dnu. gumshoe almost looks too bad to be mafia.
Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 05:11 GlowingBear wrote:On April 24 2016 05:07 Koshi wrote:
The first bunch of quotes are all pretty much in range of mafia on mafia.
The second to last quote I don't understand what he is saying.
Then the last quote kinda looks like he is attacking ff for wanting to vote off sl?
all in all doesn't look too good for Shape. 9 And this is why Shapelog is Mafia? Can you please summarise to me all the reason you think Shapelog is Mafia? I have no real reasons to think he is mafia except for the fact he is not really town and there is no real townie anything coming from him. Which I had 2 games ago when he was town. And didn't have when he was mafia. He just looks town by game events when he is mafia. And is town by his posting when he is town. anyway DOTA tiems
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So you think I'm town?
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On April 24 2016 05:15 Tumblewood wrote:
The case on gumshoe:
This is much shorter btw
gumshoe is either obvious scum or derp town here... i have a personal rule that there are no obvious scum, but gumshoe may have just broken it because he messed up, gave a shitty excuse, and then gave up
i also don't think i'll ever be able to think (bar a legit blue claim) that gum is a solid townie this game based on how bad his last 48 hours were
voting gumshoe is a pretty obvious choice here so i'm going to do that
##vote: gumshoe
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This makes no sense at all.
Are you the vigi?
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I have no real reasons to think he is mafia except for the fact he is not really town and there is no real townie anything coming from him. Which I had 2 games ago when he was town. And didn't have when he was mafia. He just looks town by game events when he is mafia. And is town by his posting when he is town.
Well, you can't really tell someone is town by his way of posting when you're playing a post-restricted game. You're basically said he looks town by game events and that makes him mafia (so, meta-read). But you've just posted this:
On April 24 2016 04:19 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Shape
Underwhelming. I am also thinking people are pretty townie.
So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta?
Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"?
Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1?
By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"?
Also, are you sure you find people townie? :
On April 23 2016 21:33 Koshi wrote:Man looking at this vote count this looks pretty bad for me. Sicklucker was not lynched due to these people: Show nested quote +2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF
Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF
Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker now with tumble town and me being town that looks somewhat really bad for gum.I can't think for shit atm so I will just wait till I got some time to look into this. I guess I got to look into gum (which I found really fishy early, not the same as how he opened in the numbered game but he tried to look the same, which makes it suspicious). And then I got to look into hts and see if she was setting up this tumble ml. Would be impressive.
So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING?
See, Koshi, your thought process isn't clear. It looks like you throw thoughts out of the blue without any kind of consistency. You're following your own agenda. That's why I think you're mafia.
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You're not going with the flow, you're voting Shapelog when people are highly suspicious of gumshoe.
You can explain yourself or let me waste my last 28+5 posts screaming LYNCH KOSHI until I get you lynched.
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Can you care to explain those inconsistencies, at least?
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On April 24 2016 07:03 LightningStrike wrote:
I believe that Koshi is town am I wrong on that read and if so why GB?
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I've made a whole post pointing out inconsistencies in his play and why I think he is Mafia for that. Read that one and if you still think he is town, debunk my case.
By the way, why do you think he is town again?
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