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On March 09 2016 07:37 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 06:35 Half the Sky wrote:
IML >_<
Not that it matters though, it's a Palmar game (<3) but real life is kicking my rear a bit...
/replace Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
Because one instant majority lynch game wasn't enough. Someone want to elaborate on why instant majority is bad? I know HTS has specifically complained several times about mislynches when us EU players are asleep but that just basically means you unvote and make sure enough people are unvoted if you think an EU player could get lynched before he/she wakes up. That's just being unfortunate/unlucky with timezones. But what actually makes the lynch mechanic bad? edit: I mean the setup wouldn't deter me from playing but I remember reading a few complaints about IML, so...
IML isn't bad, and neither is plurality. Both systems have benefits and both systems have drawbacks. Anyone who tries to argue one system is clearly better than the other in every way is just being a partisan asshole.
Basically, just like you seem to understand, both systems work excellently at their best, and can be disastrous at their worst.
IML requires you to make a vote and stand by it, knowing that your particular vote could run away to a lynch while you're not checking the thread. PL on the other hand has a well defined deadline so you know when you have to be around, but has the risk of becoming a last-minute shenanigans fest.
The reason Storm Mafia is IML is that I believe it adds an element of complexity to the game. There is also the added benefit of the day length being self-moderating (which helps avoid long auto-lynch days which in themselves are both boring and can be very difficult to deal with as both teams). I don't particularly think IML is a better system, I think they're both very good systems, but for the game design of Storm Mafia, IML has so far been the right choice.
In addition, IML allows mafia to draft strategies around the lynch mechanic which gives them an additional layer of depth to work with in the game. "Is it ok to give up 2 people here to hammer this guy?".
@VA: The game is not experimental. Read the first two setups if you're wondering what to expect.
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On March 09 2016 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 08:14 Damdred wrote:
There are pros and cons, the players are more in control of when the day ends for example while there still being a hard deadline I believe in this case. Parts of it are scum favored like the no lynch if nobody cares.
Yeah, and that is not a good thing. Theoretically you have to be active at all times because otherwise you can get screwed by bad teammates. And that happens all the time. If you are the only eu/us player on your team you are fucked because the lynch will most likely happen when you should be asleep or at work. It punishes bad townplay when bad townplay is everywhere without offering an advantage for town in return. It gives selfish people who just vote without thinking power. I don't see the slightest advantage - it just sucks.
case in point: a partisan asshole in the wild.
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On March 09 2016 08:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2016 08:14 Damdred wrote:
There are pros and cons, the players are more in control of when the day ends for example while there still being a hard deadline I believe in this case. Parts of it are scum favored like the no lynch if nobody cares.
Yeah, and that is not a good thing. Theoretically you have to be active at all times because otherwise you can get screwed by bad teammates. And that happens all the time. If you are the only eu/us player on your team you are fucked because the lynch will most likely happen when you should be asleep or at work. It punishes bad townplay when bad townplay is everywhere without offering an advantage for town in return. It gives selfish people who just vote without thinking power. I don't see the slightest advantage - it just sucks. case in point: a partisan asshole in the wild.
You list exactly one advantage of IML - no shennanies (which town can reliably control in plurality since they know in advance when they could happen and which aren't a bad thing anyways). When IML is ALWAYS a shenanny. You defeated your own argument.
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On March 09 2016 08:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 08:54 Palmar wrote:On March 09 2016 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2016 08:14 Damdred wrote:
There are pros and cons, the players are more in control of when the day ends for example while there still being a hard deadline I believe in this case. Parts of it are scum favored like the no lynch if nobody cares.
Yeah, and that is not a good thing. Theoretically you have to be active at all times because otherwise you can get screwed by bad teammates. And that happens all the time. If you are the only eu/us player on your team you are fucked because the lynch will most likely happen when you should be asleep or at work. It punishes bad townplay when bad townplay is everywhere without offering an advantage for town in return. It gives selfish people who just vote without thinking power. I don't see the slightest advantage - it just sucks. case in point: a partisan asshole in the wild. You list exactly one advantage of IML - no shennanies (which town can reliably control in plurality since they know in advance when they could happen and which aren't a bad thing anyways). When IML is ALWAYS a shenanny. You defeated your own argument.
The question was "why is it bad?", not "why is it good?".
I'll happily discuss this in some other thread though, let's drop it here. If you dislike it for this particular setup that's fine, you are not required to play.
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On March 09 2016 09:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 08:59 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2016 08:54 Palmar wrote:On March 09 2016 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2016 08:14 Damdred wrote:
There are pros and cons, the players are more in control of when the day ends for example while there still being a hard deadline I believe in this case. Parts of it are scum favored like the no lynch if nobody cares.
Yeah, and that is not a good thing. Theoretically you have to be active at all times because otherwise you can get screwed by bad teammates. And that happens all the time. If you are the only eu/us player on your team you are fucked because the lynch will most likely happen when you should be asleep or at work. It punishes bad townplay when bad townplay is everywhere without offering an advantage for town in return. It gives selfish people who just vote without thinking power. I don't see the slightest advantage - it just sucks. case in point: a partisan asshole in the wild. You list exactly one advantage of IML - no shennanies (which town can reliably control in plurality since they know in advance when they could happen and which aren't a bad thing anyways). When IML is ALWAYS a shenanny. You defeated your own argument. The question was "why is it bad?", not "why is it good?". I'll happily discuss this in some other thread though, let's drop it here. If you dislike it for this particular setup that's fine, you are not required to play.
Yes, and since your point about plurality being bad is obviously defeated you don't have any while the the bad things about IML remain.
But sure. I can keep this discussion out of your game thread. I am just annoyed that the only 2 "normal" games that get hosted atm. are BOTH IML. This is really shitty timing.
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Yo jat, just say screw it and sign up anyway, I want to play with you =P
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Announcement
We're not above catering to our players wishes. Especially with more than one IML game going on, so without further ado: IML removed and replaced with DPL. This will be taken into account when designing the final setup (along with the number of players present).
+ Show Spoiler +I totally promise this has nothing to do with me realizing that it'll be so much less effort to manage a plurality lynch game. + Show Spoiler +
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On March 09 2016 15:03 sandroba wrote:
Yo jat, just say screw it and sign up anyway, I want to play with you =P
I think I lost my excuse when it got changed to plurality. Still a shame that 2 of the main reasons I usually join games are hosting instead of playing though...
:/
/in
I guess.
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I guess there still is an excuse. Third parties..... Whatever.
What does "may not claim your wincon mean?" Are we talking about the wording?
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yes, you may not directly or indirectly quote your win condition. Simply stating your alignment should be enough to establish it.
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Do you follow the banlist Palmar?
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>> i got an invite from an unnamed benefactor
+ Show Spoiler +
but tbh timing is huge for me so um...do we have an idea when this would be starting or no?
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On March 10 2016 03:35 rsoultin wrote:>> i got an invite from an unnamed benefactor + Show Spoiler +but tbh timing is huge for me so um...do we have an idea when this would be starting or no?
most likely next monday or something like that.
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On March 10 2016 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you follow the banlist Palmar?
yes
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Not gonna screw whichever team I wind up on.
/cohost
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Just put rsoultin as in its peer pressure, I mean she said that she wanted to play with jat.
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On March 10 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote:
Just put rsoultin as in its peer pressure, I mean she said that she wanted to play with jat.
-flicks breadcrumbs at-
i have to check w/ the euro half lol >< he's coming out next week which you knooooow
edit: ye, i really can't. last time lex came out we barely played and got lynched as a hydra lolol >< wouldn't be fair to whichever alignment i rolled. maybe next time!
/obs ^^
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