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On March 09 2016 05:30 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 03:01 geript wrote:On March 09 2016 02:46 Koshi wrote:
My point with above post is that for how good the post by yamato on Vivax was, he doesn't want to convince geript that Vivax is mafia. That's an interesting point. I was talking to Vivax. Geript you were obviously not interested in discussing Vivax, i had already brought him up and you dismissed it. I asked you more about what you did want to talk about, which was Slam. And it got you to post something reasonably Townie. Mission accomplished.
Interesting =/= good. I found it interesting and wanted more people to talk about something I wanted to mull over more.
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On March 09 2016 05:58 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 03:42 geript wrote:
Vivax probably scum #2 cba to look more now. Work. Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 03:55 geript wrote:On March 09 2016 03:49 Shapelog wrote:On March 09 2016 03:46 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 09 2016 03:38 Vivax wrote:
here's a vote with secret reasons (for now):
##Vote tumblewood i can sheep this. I would say the reasons are just obvious rather than secret. Is it This: On March 09 2016 00:26 Tumblewood wrote:
Also geript town for persistently pushing a read that wasn't gaining much traction. Plus This: On March 09 2016 02:22 geript wrote:
Tumbleweed has said like 3 things all of which I liked. Anyone who wants to lynch him is scum. = easy town reads shared bewtenn the two of them. Vivax thinks Gerpit might be off, and after seeing this thinks Tumble and Gerpit are a mafia team. Did I get it right? I think I just contracted cancer. Cba to look into vivax. But has the time to call the reason why vivax is sus. of him (which he did not know because IIRC he posted b/4 vivax) Cancer. But also then Cba to answer what ever the fuck Vivax was f5ing for. Weird.
No weird. If you think someone is scum, you lynch them. What's weird is lynching a proxy as a test for lynching someone you think is scum. That read and reasoning is literally the worst thing I've read in Mafia since HtS's brother's mathematical scum hunting method thing.
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On March 09 2016 06:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 06:06 Shapelog wrote:On March 09 2016 06:02 Rels wrote:On March 09 2016 02:22 geript wrote:
Tumbleweed has said like 3 things all of which I liked. Anyone who wants to lynch him is scum. ??? + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2016 15:15 Tumblewood wrote:I feel like Shape's been kinda backed into a corner by kush, or at least he feels that way. How it went down: Kush flashed his badge at Shapelog. It read, "Private Investigator: Kush Mountains". "What do you know about the mafia?" he inquired.Shape didn't have much to say; he'd only been there twenty minutes, and he'd only seen three other people in his time. He thought of the most informative thing he had to say, which wasShow nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:17 Shapelog wrote:On March 08 2016 08:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
What does your science tell you so far, Shape? A few things, Vivax reported in yet has not done much. A course this is 15 mins into the game. And I have a experiment about the Time kushs will live in this game compared to their ban time. At every vote count, I shall note how long this subject lasts until if one VC kills him. Then time the time it takes for his ban to run out. It is a very scientific research i assure you. If this is your opinion of scum then you should read Vivax filter. It wasn't much, and they both knew it. Kush followed up with some leading questions.Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:39 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shape it's just that you said that he would most likely do that as scum. He didn't do that. So logically wouldn't that make him most likely town? Of course, there was no other way for Shape to answer but in the affirmative. They both knew that anyone could be a killer, and there was no sense in thinking someone good-willed from just one clue.Basically, Shape made an observation on virtually the only (little) information he had, and kush drew the conclusion from it and coerced him into making his own conclusion, which was "that's not enough" and labeled backtracking. It's not concerning to me. On March 09 2016 00:22 Tumblewood wrote:I liked how he drew a decent conclusion from Shape's observation. It shows that his question wasn't just a token "look at me participating" question. It was, what, his first post? so I'm not putting him into either category yet. On March 09 2016 00:26 Tumblewood wrote:
Also geript town for persistently pushing a read that wasn't gaining much traction. Two townreads on kush + you and a non-scumread on Shape. How the fuck do you townread him ? Idk about Gerpit, but this is why i weakly town lean him (note that i have played with him 4x's now.) On March 09 2016 02:42 Shapelog wrote:
This is what, my 4th game with tumble (4/4 of his games played here.) Last game I jumped to quickly to TR him because of his reads and i did not catch how weak they really are. He has changed his scum game slightly with that last game.
However, nothing so far is rasieng red flags from Tumble. If he was scum, he would have more to profit from letting me and kush continue than posting #130. I doubt also that Tumble stuck his neck out just to buddy me. On March 09 2016 02:44 Shapelog wrote:
Basically I am ok (ish) giving tumble a slight (slight) town lean right now. Also he could of pressed Kush about the situation (as he seemed to take my side? Or atleast that is how it came off as.) and prob. could get away with sus. on kush with it following his read progression.
It's a start. Not scumreading a townie when the occasion is there is never a proof someone is no scum. I've made that mistake before. Scum will defend town with no problem. Actually, scum prefer to not call anyone scum and be friend with everyone and don't care about the lynch.
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On March 09 2016 06:32 Rels wrote:geript answer this please: Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 05:42 Rels wrote:On March 09 2016 02:02 geript wrote:On March 08 2016 19:50 Rels wrote:On March 08 2016 17:12 geript wrote:
So basically when Slam is town, he has no clue what he's doing. He tries to have fun while doing something. He tries to play for his fun and others. He tries to get in on jokes. When he breaks to make a serious point, his thoughts meander. It's like he's posting high and there's the roundabout thought hidden between the jokes. When he's mafia, he tries to mimic that shit entirely. But instead of getting the meandering around, it's broken up separately. He focuses mostly on doing on thing at a time instead of just letting him his thoughts lead him wherever his mind goes.
So therefore between him not trolling (aka playing to have fun) and not trolling wrong (consistency between points of posts), he's scum. I think geript is town. I like how he is convinced he found scum and is pushing for him. geript, how I read Slam is looking at if he's hiding behind his trolling to not do anything. I would like your take in his play in outlaw. Slam smurfing is a bit different. It kinda depends on how interested he is in not being found out and how long that interest lasts. Why are you talking to me about Slam smurfing here ? Do you think he smurfed in Outlaw ? Cause that is not the case. Did you open the link I posted just before the post you quoted here ?
Probably a misquote of something. Especially as that's been a topic earlier. In regards to your earlier thing about how my meta read should have changed or whatever... No. Meta reads don't change based on what random schmucks say. I've read/watched enough games and been current with Slam. I don't need to update. The meta hasn't changed; how he expresses is slightly different and that's been covered.
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On March 09 2016 07:16 Vivax wrote:
ill actually unvote, dont see any reason to put him in lynch range before he can even reply anything
This is more bullshit too. The best time to lynch scum is when they're not around to respond or get their neck off the block. For someone who's played as much as Vivax to not have clear and explicit reasons to want to lynch someone and then not want to 'take credit' for the lynch is pretty fucking scummy.
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Either way. I need to sleep. Long shift of playing in ball abscesses and shit... Literally.
You guys need to understand that we need to lynch. We have limited time in order to be able to lynch scum and burning 72 or 96 hours on D1 is unacceptable especially when we will always lose 24 hours for night phases. So we can go 4-4-5 which will assuredly end in 3 bad lynches or go 3-3-3-3 which will be better but lowers odds of a productive lynch on D3/4 as interest wanes. Best option is to lynch and keep the days and information moving before shit stagnates.
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On March 10 2016 08:00 Half the Sky wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 Alakaslam (4): geript, Vivax, Rels, Vivax, Tumblewood, Shapelog Vivax (3): Tumblewood, yamato77, Alakaslam, geript Tumblewood (1): Vivax, nnn_thekushmountains, Rels, VivaxRels (1): Koshi yamato77 (0): Koshigeript (0): AlakaslamNot Voting (0): At this time, no one is slated to be lynched. With 9 players, 5 are needed to lynch.The next check will occur on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
Town must find the mafia before on 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
Oddest set of ppl voting w/ me ever.
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On March 10 2016 08:55 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2016 08:51 geript wrote:On March 10 2016 08:00 Half the Sky wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 Alakaslam (4): geript, Vivax, Rels, Vivax, Tumblewood, Shapelog Vivax (3): Tumblewood, yamato77, Alakaslam, geript Tumblewood (1): Vivax, nnn_thekushmountains, Rels, VivaxRels (1): Koshi yamato77 (0): Koshigeript (0): AlakaslamNot Voting (0): At this time, no one is slated to be lynched. With 9 players, 5 are needed to lynch.The next check will occur on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
Town must find the mafia before on 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted. Oddest set of ppl voting w/ me ever. Has to be more to it than that, right geript?
That's the short version while I'm at work.
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On March 10 2016 08:00 Half the Sky wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 Alakaslam (4): geript, Vivax, Rels, Vivax, Tumblewood, Shapelog Vivax (3): Tumblewood, yamato77, Alakaslam, geript Tumblewood (1): Vivax, nnn_thekushmountains, Rels, VivaxRels (1): Koshi yamato77 (0): Koshigeript (0): AlakaslamNot Voting (0): At this time, no one is slated to be lynched. With 9 players, 5 are needed to lynch.The next check will occur on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
Town must find the mafia before on 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
This is a really odd vote count in general. Rels has basically been disagreeing with my meta read for most of the game so far. Vivax is the guy who's pushed basically anything. On March 09 2016 06:30 Vivax wrote:
yea fwiw slam doesn't look scummy to me, im really happy hes playing his "new style". He's capable of being a good townie as shown when he was saitama, so for now I don't feel like lynching him
On March 09 2016 21:17 Vivax wrote:
ima talk things through with competent players when they're back, I think geript might not even be wrong about Slam, but if I think thta it's not cause of the stuff he posts which requires me to sheep geripts meta reads blindly which I was slightly willing to do before he started vomiting in my face, but cause Shape rightly pointed out that slam's PoE would have looked odd, besides that he wasn't pushing it at all.
Saitama was quite better than that.
Hell Vivax has even been trying to push Tumble for scum while trying to convince Tumble to vote for Slam. There's tumble who's basically soft buddied me all game. Then there's Shape who's main thoughts on Slam have been related to Slam's townreads/PoE post.
Basically, it's a wagon of me and 4 people who are ok to lynch but not terribly interested in lynching. On top of that, You have Vivax and Tumble who look to be opposite alignments voting together. Plus we have Yam, Kush, and Koshi all voting someone different and I was leaning town on all three. Slam looks like a bad lynch unless Rels or tumble is bussing; I don't think Slam/Shape is a realisitic pair but I could be wrong there.
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Yeah. He's been my #2 for a while but I want to look at Rels, Kush and Koshi again.
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On March 10 2016 23:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2016 23:43 Alakaslam wrote:On March 10 2016 23:38 Rels wrote:On March 10 2016 23:36 Koshi wrote:On March 10 2016 23:28 Rels wrote:On March 10 2016 23:28 Koshi wrote:
Rels what is your read on yamato? Scum if Slam is not. Why is he not scum with Slam? Because geript is scum. See the post above. Then you can vote him. You are scum or a fool. Unflipped associations for starters which is known bad play. There is no unflipped association. My scumreads by order of strongness are geript => you => yamato => tumble. geript's reason for unvoting you was unflipped association. My scumreads have no unflipped association.
Let's talk about my unflipped associations more. Vote count was like 5-2-1-1. Pretend Slam is Mafia, you basically have to imagine scum team is like Slam/Tumble--basically a team that has no thread pull whatsoever. Maybe Slam/Vivax but that's not a highly likely pair on how they've been so happy to vote for each other. On of the big advantages of having less time to devote to Mafia, is spending less time playing Mafia so I can be more objective. In a mini-mini like this, votes and pushes count for more. You can make actual team theories usefully. Plus, I wasn't even making associations. I was the only person happy with that lynch. It's odd that despite the case being around for 40 hours or so, it catches on with ~6 hours til lynch. Especially since 60% of the people had fought for other lynches, lynches who they're voting with on a tacit lynch. Look at the facts. My godread is more likely to be wrong than right given the circumstances.
Oh and in regards to needing to lynch, let's put that post in perspective. At the time ~30 hours into the game 4 people are voting for 4 different people with no clear consensus and no move towards one. That's no good for town.
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On March 11 2016 04:25 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 04:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
isn't it common knowledge that it's a terrible idea to kill vivax day 1 because
1 he's commonly mislynched day 1
2 he's easier to read in later days
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therefore vote slam. that's a dumb argument never liked it, never will he can play the game, he just isn't
At worst we lose 1 town and game becomes less toxic
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On March 11 2016 04:28 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 04:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 11 2016 04:19 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2016 04:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
isn't it common knowledge that it's a terrible idea to kill vivax day 1 because
1 he's commonly mislynched day 1
2 he's easier to read in later days
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therefore vote slam. forget it dude. It was possible in a game without koshi and yams, their stupidity even seems to be contagious for rels if he isnt mafia Forget it bro, it's TLMafia. It's interesting how Dunning Kruger works both ways. Using this effect as an insult is (or should be) unheard of since it is by nature a double-edged sword.
Who are you looking at next after Vivax flips?
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Got called in today and am working 16 tomorrow. I should have some time from 1-3 est tomorrow on night shift to talk. And I'll try to get up early too but no promises. I have Sunday off though so I'll be free then.
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On March 13 2016 09:11 Koshi wrote:
Well if geript says Alakaslam isn't mafia I am ok with lynching Rels.
Gimme 2 hours to reread entirely. Bitch on 100 didn't give me report and give me the keys until half way through my shift and fucked me royally
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Maybe more than two. Have to write up a statement.
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On March 08 2016 15:15 Tumblewood wrote:I feel like Shape's been kinda backed into a corner by kush, or at least he feels that way. How it went down: Kush flashed his badge at Shapelog. It read, "Private Investigator: Kush Mountains". "What do you know about the mafia?" he inquired.Shape didn't have much to say; he'd only been there twenty minutes, and he'd only seen three other people in his time. He thought of the most informative thing he had to say, which wasShow nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:17 Shapelog wrote:On March 08 2016 08:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
What does your science tell you so far, Shape? A few things, Vivax reported in yet has not done much. A course this is 15 mins into the game. And I have a experiment about the Time kushs will live in this game compared to their ban time. At every vote count, I shall note how long this subject lasts until if one VC kills him. Then time the time it takes for his ban to run out. It is a very scientific research i assure you. It wasn't much, and they both knew it. Kush followed up with some leading questions.Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:39 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shape it's just that you said that he would most likely do that as scum. He didn't do that. So logically wouldn't that make him most likely town? Of course, there was no other way for Shape to answer but in the affirmative. They both knew that anyone could be a killer, and there was no sense in thinking someone good-willed from just one clue.Basically, Shape made an observation on virtually the only (little) information he had, and kush drew the conclusion from it and coerced him into making his own conclusion, which was "that's not enough" and labeled backtracking. It's not concerning to me.
In hindsight, this post looks significantly worse. It defends Shape without really saying anything about either Shape or Kush. At least with Kush there should be some sort of conclusion.
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On March 08 2016 19:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 17:12 geript wrote:
So basically when Slam is town, he has no clue what he's doing. He tries to have fun while doing something. He tries to play for his fun and others. He tries to get in on jokes. When he breaks to make a serious point, his thoughts meander. It's like he's posting high and there's the roundabout thought hidden between the jokes. When he's mafia, he tries to mimic that shit entirely. But instead of getting the meandering around, it's broken up separately. He focuses mostly on doing on thing at a time instead of just letting him his thoughts lead him wherever his mind goes.
So therefore between him not trolling (aka playing to have fun) and not trolling wrong (consistency between points of posts), he's scum. I think geript is town. I like how he is convinced he found scum and is pushing for him. geript, how I read Slam is looking at if he's hiding behind his trolling to not do anything. I would like your take in his play in outlaw.
Idk why I find this post interesting. Maybe because it's wedged between mild attacks of Shape/Vivax and Koshi later on. It's just kinda odd to have so many thoughts and not really be actively looking at anything. Maybe a play style thing.
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On March 09 2016 00:22 Tumblewood wrote:I liked how he drew a decent conclusion from Shape's observation. It shows that his question wasn't just a token "look at me participating" question. It was, what, his first post? so I'm not putting him into either category yet.
I remember really liking this post at the time. Still do. I think I'll keep tumbletown.
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On March 09 2016 02:11 Koshi wrote:
I just need yamato or somebody else to tell me why yamato feels the need to explain a Vivax, Shape and slam read through geript who he doesn't even scumread.
I think this is the point I should've flat out called Yam town. There's something about seeing those posts again. There's something that I can relate to having 3-4 reads juggling in your head that you're working through. It makes me really dislike Koshi's push here because it's a deep read that I think he should get.
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