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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 17 2016 21:43 GMT
#947
^ Tis true. last game Kush was a meanie and we had to make him think he was correct to give us the reads. *Looks at kush and runs way."
I kid I kid, I <3 you Kush, U to GB.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 17 2016 21:46 GMT
#950
On February 18 2016 06:42 nooniansoong wrote:
Shape, what is your point with those quotes?

Well *folds legs* I thought liek you did post some reads and i was all like "You lieing bastard!" So i filter dive you and I didn't find anything so i was like "Well i was just wrong" But Thennnnnnnn I remember GB saying how putting Palmar name and read made no sense. And Gb prob. thought it was a read and you statement was a joke. Soooooooooo, it would make some sense for Gb to be mad. then you sus. list atm prob. came off as a read.

"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 17 2016 21:52 GMT
#956
On February 18 2016 06:42 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 06:35 Shapelog wrote:
On February 18 2016 06:31 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2016 06:28 Shapelog wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Tumble's Read progession] +
On February 17 2016 11:11 Tumblewood wrote:
@rsoul : I the only people I have any real insight on are Trfel, Eden (town), Tictock, kush (townlean), you, Shapelog (null), Palmar, SL (scum).
The other four have been too absent for my tastes... Breshke has been moderately active, stay tuned for a filter dive.

On February 17 2016 11:15 Tumblewood wrote:
EBWOP: Palmar as a scum lean because I have little confidence in that read.

On February 18 2016 03:42 Tumblewood wrote:
No one's acting definitively scummy, so I'm going to POE this vote.

The 'Do Not Lynch' List
Eden, for putting a lot of effort into finding scum and moving the day along productively.
Trfel, for similar reasons. Also, I stand by that mafia would not have gotten into an argument like that earlier in the game.
Tictock, for making clear and useful points.

The 'Bad Lynch' List
Rsoul, for helping in a trolly manner.
Palmar, for being overconfident and having huge changes of heart.
Kush, but I don't know why.
Breshke, for making clear and insightful points, though sparse.

The 'Wait And See' List
GB, Scott, and The Shining for showing up late.

That leaves us SL and... other SL. I keep seeing things in sick's play that are scummy, but then you all assure me that those are just normal things for him. Sick's defense amounts to "don't lynch me because that's a bad idea / I'm an easy townread."
Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow.
I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote.


On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:
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On February 18 2016 05:26 Breshke wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game.

Maybe just lynch him?

This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options.


Who are the valid options? I think trefels post is perfectly justified. Right now my lynch list is shining, GB, scott and palmar. I have not mentioned any of these people before and it is mostly based on activity and how this EoD is turning out.

SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind.

On February 18 2016 05:56 Tumblewood wrote:
I can't sleep easy if I see any of the other wagons getting lynched over Palmar. ##vote: Palmar


So he scum leans Palmar, puts him in the bad lynch pile, then calls him a reasonable lynch. And then ends up votes for him.

SO the real question is....Why did Tumble vote Palmar (with a passion) when he put palmar in the bad lynch list?


a good question -_-

Who is your top scum read R-Rated Girl?


between GB/shining right now
their behavior just doesn't line up with how they voted

i think i'm inclined to more or less believe you unless i have a reason to think otherwise

bresh/trfel have been and likely always will be town for me

unless eden's play has greatly changed i don't see him being scum here, either

scott/tumble are kinda up in the air for me (;o; i really don't want tumble to be scum...it would be nice to be right on him) and i'd like them to answer questions

yeah i need to reread tho

Idk, i can see how Town!GB comes back after not reading the thread and end up voting Kush. Especially since Kush sort of, whats the word, voted him? No not that something else. If it is Scum!GB, hmmm. Maybe be parked his vote on Kush for cred or something? But that wouldn't really make sense, since he didn't have merit to the read and therefore would not get cred.

Shining....Idk. Might of parked his vote on off wagon as scum. I prob check his filter in the morning.

Idk, Head hurts to much to do a lot. I think i am getting a mirgane :/
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 17 2016 22:02 GMT
#971
On February 18 2016 06:49 nooniansoong wrote:
you are, you bastard.
what "reasonable angles" did he push?

, You be the king and i be the bastard. Also it is Reasonable angles about his posts. Not what he pushed. Also it is a lean thank you *glares at Kush*
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On February 18 2016 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:
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On February 18 2016 04:15 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 04:08 GlowingBear wrote:
On February 18 2016 04:00 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 03:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude, catching up is exhausting.

I'm on page 21 and I'll keep catching up later but I need a break.

Can someone summarise what's going on right now for me?
We're basically lynching between Shapelog and sicklucker and maybe Palmar. Not much happening.

Shapelog is in the lead, I suggest you take a look at him.


My vote is on Sicklucker, but can you direct me to the reasoning of why Shapelog and Palmar are Mafia?

I really didn't see anything alignmrent indicative during my read-through
The reasoning for Palmar being mafia is that his reads are lazy and he's being bad.

I think that this reasoning is a bit poor, to say the least.

Shapelog is mafia because he hasn't had a push or direction to his play until he became the leading wagon. Only at this point did he show an actual interest in scumreads, and he seems to be flailing wildly instead of actually figuring out who is scum.


I don't think Shapelog is the lynch for today. I've seen him droppig some genuine insights that showed fair amount of effort behind it. He could be Mafia but there are far better lynches today

On February 18 2016 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Kush why were you voting me?

On February 18 2016 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:
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On February 18 2016 04:37 nooniansoong wrote:
On February 18 2016 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Kush why were you voting me?


policy


Ok, and what are your reada?

On February 18 2016 04:47 GlowingBear wrote:
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On February 18 2016 04:44 nooniansoong wrote:
@GB I'm sorry. You deserve a real answer from me. I don't like to do this day 1, even if it's only for my own benefit but here goes.
People I am the most suspicious of currently:
2) Shapelog
3)Ticktock
5) Breshke
8) The Shining
9) mdergScott31337
10) Eden1892
12GlowingBear


What's your auspicions on Shapelog?

Kush my problem here is that you looked very noncommittal, and I remember you having very firm reads since you came back to TLMafia. Your like of engagement looks suspicious to me.

On February 18 2016 05:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Shape, there was a spoilered big post that I'm not finding right now, but page 2 of your filter with your read on tumble wood and your thoughts on the Miller stuff shows that you're critically thinking about the game and I rarely see that coming from Mafia. They don't need to think critically because they have perfect information

At the time, I was the most reasonable ML for mafia. Would GB stick his neck out without really knowing much about the situation? I mean i feel that mafia would of pushed my death instead of backed it up. Especially when he did not back this up. If this was a fight for cred then GB would of not waited so long to post WHY he thought i was town. I fell scum would of have that ready to go.

When you vote him, GB is calm. He wants to know why. Then he posts why you feel strange. EoD shit started and crap hit the fin.
Then this,
On February 18 2016 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Well I'm voting Kush because between Kush and Palmar I sincerely prefer to see dying the guy who admits have a null read on EVERY SINGLE PLAYER and is lynching a townie for a BAD POLICY LYNCH without giving a single FUCK to the Votecount AT EOD

[b]##Vote: noon[/b\

I do not think this tone comes from mafia. I just... Don't. It draws way too much negative attention. I mean a natural townie response to this is "Wtf GB." That is not what mafia wants to hear.

That said he did OMGUS you. Like i said towards R girl, My head is killing me. So I am not thinking stright. (also i need to look at GB early game. I am putting my attention only to one part of his filter )
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 17 2016 22:03 GMT
#973
Then again. Why would town ever start a 6th wagon with 10 mins to go.... Hell why would mafia do it.
Fuck Mirgines
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 17 2016 22:04 GMT
#974
GB talk to me,
In a picture/gif/Ms painting, tell me why you are not mafia.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 13:52 GMT
#1048
On February 18 2016 08:07 nooniansoong wrote:
Shape, it's wrong that you're not not wrong.

What? my read is wrong b/c it is not not wrong. So the 2 not's cancel out. Meaning, Im wrong about being wrong. So I am right?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 13:57 GMT
#1049
On February 18 2016 07:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 07:04 Shapelog wrote:
GB talk to me,
In a picture/gif/Ms painting, tell me why you are not mafia.


[image loading]

Revealing your PM without actually Revealing your PM...Clever
On February 18 2016 10:02 GlowingBear wrote:
[image loading]

So you think I am a cop?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 14:06 GMT
#1050
On February 18 2016 12:31 GlowingBear wrote:
[image loading]

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"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 14:12 GMT
#1051
On February 18 2016 15:06 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 14:36 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2016 13:47 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, what? You changed your GlowingBear read?

Don't get this wrong, you know I'll actually listen to you this time...

Also, I didn't change my read on Tumblewood based on the pictures.

Why do GlowingBear and Tumblewood being town make you think that scott31337 is town? I don't get it.


lol >< like anyone ever listens to me on GB...although tbf i talk myself out of the right reads on him so maybe that's sometimes okay

eh this just reminds me of drams a bit and even though his lackluster posting made me fine with lynching him (on top of being absent) he became more reactive at EoD which is what i associate with his townplay more + trolling lol ><

nh, regarding scott...it's hard to explain really but i'll try

like if he's scum we should see scum either bussing him for the cred, piling on palmar or at the very least resisting lynching him. GB and tumble both fall into that piling on palmar or resisting lynching him cat...like he flips scum the association is strong there

but i'm fairly secure in my shape and eden townreads and the scott wagon looks pretty pristine disregarding sl

if i'm right on tumble it doesn't make a lot of sense that scum is both bussing and voting palmar

So he doesn't like how trefel just settles on a lynch saying there is a bunch of valid options but he isnt

a vote spread with my possible scum all over the place suggests to me that both are town or scum is really disorganized, which i suppose is possible with a mostly afk scum team, but given how the game state i kinda doubt that


I think the bolded is a bit messed up?

I agree with the essence of this post that the way EoD went down makes me feel that scott is probably town but thats also because I have a hankering that SL is scum but won't be discussing that until tomorrow

I also still really have a problem with these posts.
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On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game.

Maybe just lynch him?

This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options.


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On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:26 Breshke wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game.

Maybe just lynch him?

This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options.


Who are the valid options? I think trefels post is perfectly justified. Right now my lynch list is shining, GB, scott and palmar. I have not mentioned any of these people before and it is mostly based on activity and how this EoD is turning out.

SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind.


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On February 18 2016 05:56 Tumblewood wrote:
I can't sleep easy if I see any of the other wagons getting lynched over Palmar. ##vote: Palmar


SO the first quote he scums trefel for settling on a lynch claiming there are other valid options yet he isnt voting or pushing anyone at the time.

Then the next two quotes make no sense together as there is no explanation in between the two to explain why palmar suddenly became the better lynch. He basically did what he accused trefel of doing but in my opinion in a far scummier way.

ALSO there is this

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On February 18 2016 05:32 Tumblewood wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:31 Breshke wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:30 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2016 04:42 The Shining wrote:
On February 18 2016 04:41 Shapelog wrote:
Do I have to claim or can I wait till I post after my read list?


Don't claim minutes before deadline if you're a role.


actually yeah shining could totally be mafia for encouraging a claim and then disappearing -_-


how is that pro mafia?

Gives mafia information


He says that shining getting shape to claim is pro mafia because it gives them information WHEN HE ASKED HIM TO CLAIM ASWELL.
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On February 18 2016 04:42 Tumblewood wrote:
Claim now




And Earlier he said that Palmar was a Bad Lynch/was put in the bad lynch list. "For being overconfident and having huge changes of heart"

Tumble is getting more and more sus.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 14:39 GMT
#1053
On February 18 2016 15:43 Tictock wrote:
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On February 17 2016 22:17 Shapelog wrote:
Also for TT, Here are his (tumble) 1st few posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502408-newbie-student-mafia-xix?user=Tumblewood - his, 2 page filter
1st few posts,
On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:

Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog

My reasoning on Shapelog:

Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are:
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On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:
On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck.

I am not trying to read him lol.
I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on .

and
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On January 27 2016 07:55 Shapelog wrote:
On January 27 2016 07:48 _MexicanAlien wrote:
So first shapelog suggests talking about blue roles, then he lists the reason for each blue role to not need help.
Very good reasons.

Yeah i was revising the logic on it after Deathfy posted about it.
Also I am always Sus. on my D1's, Both as Blue and Vt due to my reactive, blah blah blah trolling playstyle
Yet to roll mafia sadly, thought this would be the one =(.

In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before.


On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:
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On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you?


I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.

On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.

First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog

Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
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On January 27 2016 16:11 Eden1892 wrote:
I skimmed the early stuff. It's a bit late and I don't really feel like reading the thread in a lot of depth right now, but I got a few early reads worth sharing.


- Shapelog is obviously town, and the first thing I want to do when I get the motivation to read this game in detail (which will be tomorrow, hold me to this and don't let me be lazy) is to read the sequence of people scumreading him early while it was the "in" read to give, because I'm almost positive scum were involved in that.

If I actually have to explain this (and if you need it explained, that's okay; newbie game and all), Shapelog's posting was very spontaneous and "error-prone" in the right way. As Onegu put it, "talking about someone's meta before they even post" is in fact a poor use of a townie's time, because you don't need to call attention to the idea that you have a way to read somebody based on meta. Just make the read in either direction when the trigger behavior you're waiting on manifests itself (or doesn't manifest itself when it should).

But a post like that is never going to come from mafia. Mafia players don't think to themselves: "You know, I should post that I have a meta read on kush before he says anything. That will make me look more townie and advance my agenda." Because it doesn't. It's empty words.

An excited townie, however, who is trying to get discussion started and generate meaningful data for themselves and other players to read, might be overeager and start talking about this tell before it manifests, because it's meaningful to them (even if it doesn't do anything yet). And if you read the rest of Shapelog's posts, eagerness and excitement are pretty reasonable descriptors of his emotional state as he plays.

So we can either assume that Shapelog is a bad noob scum player, who also doesn't have anybody on his team to tell him that his early posting isn't doing anything to help, and who also doesn't have a scum coach telling him the same thing... or we can just assume that he is an eager townie, as his posts read.

The bolded section, the main reason for townreading, makes no sense. It's basically, "It doesn't make him look like town, and scum wants to look like town, so he must not be scum." I'd appreciate if you'd explain that point to me.

Next, about the other consistently active players: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien, and Trfel

Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
Anything I say on darthfoley will be a weak point. He hasn't done much of anything this game to give me a strong opinion on him, so I'm going to call this one a null read.
MexicanAlien looks like a complete townread if you ignore his first ten posts. He started the game off with things like, "We need to figure out a strategy" and "We need information", which would be a sure scumread if he weren't a complete newbie or if he continued like that. Those first few posts set off alarm bells in my head, but I think I was wrong on that one, because he's been a normal contributing member of the town since then.

And everyone else

I have nothing to say about Kuramari and Ikidomari because of how little they've posted and how little they've said. Opinions pending.
JesusIncarnate is weird to me because he was away for the first 15 hours of the game then came back and said half good points and half "sick meme". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's definitely suspicious in my mind if he doesn't do anything more for the next several hours.
Eden and Alur read town for me, because they seem to be the ones with the most desire to hunt scum in the town. Alur went quiet for a while, but my opinion on him hasn't changed yet. Eden is the more town-leaning of the two.
Nooniansoong (kush?) is a sliiiight scum read for me because he's gotten by doing very little so far. There's definitely not enough, though, there to base a lynch off of.

TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Eden, Alur, MexicanAlien look town. I need to read through this again and see what everyone else did because it's sort of lame having null / very weak reads on 6/12 other players.


Very different approach then from here.


Ok wow that is a big difference... actually huge.

But...If Tumble was scum in both games, do you think he would play the same way?

Given how EoD went, the notes, etc... what is your current read on Tumble?

I would, if i was tumble and was playing in a game that had a scum mate in, Prob change my playstyle. That said, I can not really answer that question, because i just do not know.

That said I have some probs. with Tumble. The lack of content can now come from BOTH alignments due to me TR early for it (then he would adapt for it). His read progression has been all over the place (with me being the only consistent scum read, even after claim).

Which is prob. the only reason I am not shouting for the hills. He is still scum reading me. IT would be easiler for mafia just to go along with it. Sure, chance that he is hoping for me to reveal. But mafia would be NKing me anyways (or WIFOM by leaving me alive?) and being that attention on himself seems weird.

Though, he diff. does not deserve a high town read. His vote progession is weird (Palmar is good, Palmar is not good, Palmar is great.) His push on me could possiblely come from both aligments, but it seems strange that he is using meta on me which he claims is not right. In fact,
On February 17 2016 11:15 Tumblewood wrote:
No meta reads for me until I play with him as both alignments.

On February 18 2016 03:19 Tumblewood wrote:
I am seeing a lot of NSM XIX in Shape: lots of spam without lots of scumhunting, and lots of acting trolly.

On February 18 2016 03:42 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow.
I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote.

He does a 180 on his strict, no meta reads, post.

His 1st reads btw:
On February 17 2016 11:11 Tumblewood wrote:
@rsoul : I the only people I have any real insight on are Trfel, Eden (town), Tictock, kush (townlean), you, Shapelog (null), Palmar, SL (scum).
The other four have been too absent for my tastes... Breshke has been moderately active, stay tuned for a filter dive.

Let say this guy is scum. He comes with his 1st reads pushing Palmar and SL into scum, and me as null. Than promises a filter dive that never happen. Strange is it not?

His Notes: I like then even if they are not the best notes. Though, like the point Kush brought up. Kush was in the "Bad lynch" Cat. but yet Tumble did not know way. Yet Kush has been a TL of his.
On February 17 2016 11:33 Tumblewood wrote:
Pretend I quoted rsoul's question.
At the beginning of the game (aka when I made that post) the active people (rsoul, Trfel, Eden, kush, TT, SL, Shape, Breshke) were about equally active, and few of their posts at the time provide anything of substance. Since then, rsoul, kush, and TT have taken on a role of facilitation-- that is, making sure the game progresses. I think that mafia are more content just to let this day pass slowly and quietly and would not actively try to prevent that.

So, now that there is the hint of sus. on Kush, he jumps. Irony is that I fake scum read him last game because of him being Opportunistic.

And a course that is just it, his filter is Irony. What worse is that his scum read on me comes down to META. He has never actually said, "This quote is why Shape is scum."
On February 18 2016 03:42 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow.

So he had no reasoning to vote me other than that. Since his next post was a vote on me. Pure Meta, Pure excuse to ML me. Than he does not have a reason to vote Palmar.
On February 18 2016 05:56 Tumblewood wrote:
I can't sleep easy if I see any of the other wagons getting lynched over Palmar. ##vote: Palmar


He never explains his vote, and than leaves the thread. Which could mean he is scum, both wagons at the time was town, and he was happy for either or to get lynched.

Tumble is scum.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 14:43 GMT
#1054
On February 18 2016 21:53 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 19:07 Eden1892 wrote:
i should explain more of these but i won't because its 4am and im never getting n1'd anyway


rsoultin is probably town. i'll make the caveat that she isn't blowing me away with anything, and i'm still not sure how much her mafia game has progressed since my sabbatical. but this would have been outside of her mafia range before i left and it's consistent with what i remember before. high volume posting, very engaged, lots of specific questions with clear directions to them

sicklucker's whole shtick as either alignment is to spew a nonsensical, literally egotistic narrative of the game state, where he does really dumb shit and says really dumb things and then bases the entirety of his arguments for the game on those really dumb things and people's reactions to him. it makes him unreadable and generally not a useful contributor to town imo. i think the best way to handle sicklucker is to just leave him alone for several days, literally ignore everything he says, and then see whether his voting record pushed mafia agenda or not and lynch him (or not) off of that while giving him zero quarter to defend himself if he becomes the target.

i'm also down for just lynching him on principle for blatantly softing blue and then walking it back like nothing happened, but i also know this isn't going to get him to stop doing stupid shit like that down the line, so i don't know how productive that is. probably just me getting some satisfaction out of punishing what i perceive as poor play over actually trying to catch mafia (which is ironically poor play in itself...)


trfel and tictock and shape seem obvious to me.

breshke is in a similar place to rsoultin for me -- if i hadn't gone on sabbatical for the greater part of a year then i could say with total confidence that breshke is town. his behavior lines up with a lot of his priors for me, he tends to be background and asks a lot of clarifying/exploring questions as either alignment, but as town his questions are always much more salient and make sense. they're things you would think of on your own to ask, and then you scroll down and see breshke's already asked them. when the questions seem weird or out of place he's mafia.

and no offense to breshke's scum play, but i have this unexplained intuitive sense that he hasn't broadened his spectrum of mafia play enough in my time away that my meta priors would be wrong. i have no good reason to think this and could be very wrong about it, but i'm sticking to it until someone gives me a reason not to.

i guess my big reversal is on the shining but if you're keeping up with my posts, you'll see that i was coming around to this already. i guess i should explain this one but i don't feel like it



of my poe pile i think i'm probably wrong about gb above the rest. the other three would all fit the profile of a lurking scumteam that hasn't needed to do much to force misplays and errant lynches from town


I didnt mislynch palmar im sure my vote was anti mafia

Sure...You just didn't push him or nothing
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 15:57 GMT
#1065
Lol I am WIFOM mafia right now.
Also getting back to Kush.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 16:03 GMT
#1066
On February 18 2016 23:49 nooniansoong wrote:
@shapelog, so tumble changed his opinions and broke his own rule on no meta. That's not convincing me of his scuminess.

Furthermore, that quote that breshke brought up:
Show nested quote +
actually yeah shining could totally be mafia for encouraging a claim and then disappearing -_-
I think it's clear that tumble thought that the disappearing afterwards was what made shining scummy, not the encouraging a claim part.
Then breshke calls it contradictory because tumble also enouraged a claim. But it's not contradictory because the scumread wasn't based on merely encouraging the claim.


Yet, when I contridect myself, I get scumread

But You question is weirdly worded. IF you are talking about his scumread on me, then yeah, it is not contradictory. I was saying, how he is basing his whole scum read on me off of meta. Ignoring anything else for the most part.
IF you are talking about Palmar. Idk what is tumble's logic to vote Palmar.

About GB, I have a weak town lean on him for the reason i stated. But i understand what you are talking about. Now that he is caught up, he should, i guess, be posting reads. <- Force him to do, I be behind you. MS painting about me is weird as well.

But about him not reading you content. Town does that all the time due to Ego/other dumb reasons :/.
On February 19 2016 00:04 nooniansoong wrote:
@Shape, will you be the champion of my heart and defend me from those that wish to lynch me?
I know I pressured you into claiming, baby, but let's forget that unpleasantness now.

You are giving me Mix emontaions. You called me a bastard. Now you want me to defend you. Riddle me this:
On February 18 2016 11:32 nooniansoong wrote:
scumlist
ticktock
GB
scott
breshke
rsoul

Tell me why you have these folks on your list. Then i decide.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 16:16 GMT
#1072
Actually I might be Vig, And I might be shooting GB.
+ Show Spoiler +
Or maybe i am just a vet+ Show Spoiler +
or a cop+ Show Spoiler +
or doc+ Show Spoiler +
Nah I am just a miller...+ Show Spoiler +
On February 17 2016 01:01 Shapelog wrote:
Oh Millers are Aware, and says so on the OP.........I am a Idiot.
Let me read my Role PM actually XD.

On February 17 2016 01:16 Shapelog wrote:
...XD

+ Show Spoiler +
OR is that a Lie?+ Show Spoiler +
What if i am VT+ Show Spoiler +
Or Scum?+ Show Spoiler +
No too sad to be scum+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
Are you still reading?+ Show Spoiler +
Want to play a game?+ Show Spoiler +
It called...+ Show Spoiler +
SPAMMMMMM+ Show Spoiler +
Sadly I did not buy enough Spam to share so fuck off+ Show Spoiler +
I am warning you....+ Show Spoiler +
I+ Show Spoiler +
Am+ Show Spoiler +
A + Show Spoiler +
Evil+ Show Spoiler +
Bear+ Show Spoiler +
Who+ Show Spoiler +
Will + Show Spoiler +
Maw+ Show Spoiler +
Off+ Show Spoiler +
Your+ Show Spoiler +
FACE!!!!!!!+ Show Spoiler +
Actually I am a reversed Log/Geomantry joke+ Show Spoiler +
Oh well+ Show Spoiler +
Lol you should quote this, Be a nightmare+ Show Spoiler +
Go AWAYYYYY+ Show Spoiler +
I do not care that I am Blue and I am about to be NKed+ Show Spoiler +
That is a lie, but You need to DIE+ Show Spoiler +
PEW PEW+ Show Spoiler +
Holy shit I have like 70 Spoiler tages right now...+ Show Spoiler +
LEAVE ME ALONE!!+ Show Spoiler +
@Kush, Explain to me why I should help you too+ Show Spoiler +
Only a townie would read this far+ Show Spoiler +
You should like totally if you are scum, try to get cred for reading this+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
Are you gone yet?+ Show Spoiler +
My hands hurt+ Show Spoiler +
Want to play a DnD game and spam the thread+ Show Spoiler +
SCUM, That is what you are if you said yes+ Show Spoiler +
Or a Nerd, Pick your poison+ Show Spoiler +
Did you hear that Donald Trump Bought Jeb Bush's Website, Whats up with that?+ Show Spoiler +
Being a asshole+ Show Spoiler +
Which is what you are!!!!!!+ Show Spoiler +
Gotcha Ya, With theses Nuts+ Show Spoiler +
Well Done, you deserve a Town Medal
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 16:23 GMT
#1073
Kush, Can you see why I am weary of defending you?

I need to look at your filter to see if My town read trick is going to work.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 16:43 GMT
#1074
Actually, Big list of scummy people is a common sight in kush filter this game.
Interesting.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 17:18 GMT
#1075
On February 19 2016 01:06 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 01:05 Trfel wrote:
I really wish I hadn't brought up the nooniansoong brag lists as a reason for a townread last game. I don't feel like I can use it this game
Meh, I need to pay more attention.

Translation of the above post is:
I'm having trouble reading nooniansoong, please help me.

Here try this (not that I have not actually played a game with scum Kush )
[image loading]
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 17:23 GMT
#1076
On February 18 2016 06:03 Damdred wrote:
Night 1


The Day is Over!


Palmar has been lynched. He was VT.

Will add flavor in just a few moments.

WHERES THE FLAVOR DAMDRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
February 18 2016 17:36 GMT
#1078
I am actually about to start work on a final reads post. Been side tracked by comparing Kush from Unoriginal to This Kush.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
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