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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 18 2016 21:42 GMT
#1141
##Vote:tumblewood
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 18 2016 21:49 GMT
#1142
Lol pls...

GGs gl town!
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 18 2016 21:50 GMT
#1143
On February 19 2016 06:26 Breshke wrote:
So you hard claim the investigative role?

Also why are you so sure you watched the Vigi?

Also you out who it is first to confirm your role


This is probably the best post since EoN.

Shape you already claimed who you watched. Just finish off the claim with who shot Eden so we can confirm you.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 18 2016 21:51 GMT
#1144
On February 19 2016 06:50 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 06:26 Breshke wrote:
So you hard claim the investigative role?

Also why are you so sure you watched the Vigi?

Also you out who it is first to confirm your role


This is probably the best post since EoN.

Shape you already claimed who you watched. Just finish off the claim with who shot Eden so we can confirm you.


no he said he got nor esult, I.E. there is a godfather who sent the kill
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 18 2016 21:53 GMT
#1145
On February 19 2016 06:40 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote:
On February 19 2016 06:28 Breshke wrote:
Trefel did you see my post on tumble/what do you think?
I think that the point about claiming, while it is a contradiction, is secondary to the overall picture of Tumblewood's play.

I do find the read switch on Palmar quite suspicious, but here's the thing. If you look at most people's play as mafia, Tumblewood's included (at least, those people who actually try), their filter is largely consistent. They'll scumread someone and keep scumreading that person, and if they start pushing someone else, they'll say why. The way that Tumblewood goes about that read switch in such a careless manner makes me hesitate to scumread him for it, give how deliberate he was with his votes last game. This makes the Palmar switch feel less relevant given Tumblewood's play as a whole.


But what else can he do there? He was not pushing anyone because shape was no longer a valid option. What other option as mafia does he have there but to carelessly join one of the leading wagons. Also not to sound like a dick but I don't think you should let one games worth of meta affect you that much.

Could you explain the bolded I know you've mentioned you think his general play has been townie but why?


what else can he do as town?
the same exact thing.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 18 2016 21:56 GMT
#1146
On February 19 2016 06:51 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 06:50 The Shining wrote:
On February 19 2016 06:26 Breshke wrote:
So you hard claim the investigative role?

Also why are you so sure you watched the Vigi?

Also you out who it is first to confirm your role


This is probably the best post since EoN.

Shape you already claimed who you watched. Just finish off the claim with who shot Eden so we can confirm you.


no he said he got nor esult, I.E. there is a godfather who sent the kill


You believe that? He said it after he was reprimanded for insta claiming. It read to me like he was doing that to backtrack and claim later on in the day like he was told to.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 18 2016 21:58 GMT
#1147
On February 19 2016 06:56 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 06:51 Breshke wrote:
On February 19 2016 06:50 The Shining wrote:
On February 19 2016 06:26 Breshke wrote:
So you hard claim the investigative role?

Also why are you so sure you watched the Vigi?

Also you out who it is first to confirm your role


This is probably the best post since EoN.

Shape you already claimed who you watched. Just finish off the claim with who shot Eden so we can confirm you.


no he said he got nor esult, I.E. there is a godfather who sent the kill


You believe that? He said it after he was reprimanded for insta claiming. It read to me like he was doing that to backtrack and claim later on in the day like he was told to.


What is your most recent scum game?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 18 2016 21:59 GMT
#1148
I mean, I've played in a lot of newbie games. I'm really good at townreading newbies (sometimes incorrrectly, to be fair). It's just trends that I've seen. I might very well be wrong, but this is just what I think.

It's not just that Tumblewood switched to Palmar, it's the way that he did it that makes it feel more like a throw-away. He also could have probably just sat on Shapelog and pretended to AFK or something.

Like, if I'm mafia and I'm going to vote on a town vs town lynch that I don't care about, I'll be like "Palmar is mafia because he hasn't been doing things or given any explanations for his reads". Which is a lot better than "I can't stand not lynching Palmar". Which one did Tumblewood go with?

If you don't get the newbie trends, and you don't get the meta, then whatever. Tell me when the last time was that you saw mafia, especially newbie mafia, try something as original and time-consuming as written read lists like that? It doesn't happen. Mafia, especially newbie mafia, almost always go their own way.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 18 2016 22:01 GMT
#1149
I am here for like 5 mins. If you find it hard to that i got a no result. Think about it logically. What Vig in their right mind would Shoot Eden N1? And between the 2, who was the easier ML? Eden or SL? Why would mafia decide to shoot SL over Eden? Because they did not shoot SL, they shot Eden.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 18 2016 22:01 GMT
#1150
On February 19 2016 06:58 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 06:56 The Shining wrote:
On February 19 2016 06:51 Breshke wrote:
On February 19 2016 06:50 The Shining wrote:
On February 19 2016 06:26 Breshke wrote:
So you hard claim the investigative role?

Also why are you so sure you watched the Vigi?

Also you out who it is first to confirm your role


This is probably the best post since EoN.

Shape you already claimed who you watched. Just finish off the claim with who shot Eden so we can confirm you.


no he said he got nor esult, I.E. there is a godfather who sent the kill


You believe that? He said it after he was reprimanded for insta claiming. It read to me like he was doing that to backtrack and claim later on in the day like he was told to.


What is your most recent scum game?


Battle of the drams. I'd link but im on mobile.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 18 2016 22:03 GMT
#1151
On February 19 2016 06:59 Trfel wrote:
I mean, I've played in a lot of newbie games. I'm really good at townreading newbies (sometimes incorrrectly, to be fair). It's just trends that I've seen. I might very well be wrong, but this is just what I think.

It's not just that Tumblewood switched to Palmar, it's the way that he did it that makes it feel more like a throw-away. He also could have probably just sat on Shapelog and pretended to AFK or something.

Like, if I'm mafia and I'm going to vote on a town vs town lynch that I don't care about, I'll be like "Palmar is mafia because he hasn't been doing things or given any explanations for his reads". Which is a lot better than "I can't stand not lynching Palmar". Which one did Tumblewood go with?

If you don't get the newbie trends, and you don't get the meta, then whatever. Tell me when the last time was that you saw mafia, especially newbie mafia, try something as original and time-consuming as written read lists like that? It doesn't happen. Mafia, especially newbie mafia, almost always go their own way.

Did you learn nothing from me? Newbies are dangerous.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 18 2016 22:05 GMT
#1152
DO not underestimate Tumble, as either alignment. Guy is pretty good Tbh as scum and prob. great as town.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 18 2016 22:06 GMT
#1153
On February 19 2016 06:53 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 06:40 Breshke wrote:
On February 19 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote:
On February 19 2016 06:28 Breshke wrote:
Trefel did you see my post on tumble/what do you think?
I think that the point about claiming, while it is a contradiction, is secondary to the overall picture of Tumblewood's play.

I do find the read switch on Palmar quite suspicious, but here's the thing. If you look at most people's play as mafia, Tumblewood's included (at least, those people who actually try), their filter is largely consistent. They'll scumread someone and keep scumreading that person, and if they start pushing someone else, they'll say why. The way that Tumblewood goes about that read switch in such a careless manner makes me hesitate to scumread him for it, give how deliberate he was with his votes last game. This makes the Palmar switch feel less relevant given Tumblewood's play as a whole.


But what else can he do there? He was not pushing anyone because shape was no longer a valid option. What other option as mafia does he have there but to carelessly join one of the leading wagons. Also not to sound like a dick but I don't think you should let one games worth of meta affect you that much.

Could you explain the bolded I know you've mentioned you think his general play has been townie but why?


what else can he do as town?
the same exact thing.


yeah but there seemed to be no guilt in doing the thing in which he just called scummy.

On February 19 2016 06:59 Trfel wrote:
I mean, I've played in a lot of newbie games. I'm really good at townreading newbies (sometimes incorrrectly, to be fair). It's just trends that I've seen. I might very well be wrong, but this is just what I think.

It's not just that Tumblewood switched to Palmar, it's the way that he did it that makes it feel more like a throw-away. He also could have probably just sat on Shapelog and pretended to AFK or something.

Like, if I'm mafia and I'm going to vote on a town vs town lynch that I don't care about, I'll be like "Palmar is mafia because he hasn't been doing things or given any explanations for his reads". Which is a lot better than "I can't stand not lynching Palmar". Which one did Tumblewood go with?

If you don't get the newbie trends, and you don't get the meta, then whatever. Tell me when the last time was that you saw mafia, especially newbie mafia, try something as original and time-consuming as written read lists like that? It doesn't happen. Mafia, especially newbie mafia, almost always go their own way.


mmm I did forget about the written reads list thing. I need to think more on the bolded. Like your points are very good but i just feel like time was running out for tumble so if scott is town like im thinking at the moment you were right in saying that he could have just afkd and not cared.

Who do you want to lynch trefel?
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 18 2016 22:10 GMT
#1154
On February 19 2016 07:01 Shapelog wrote:
I am here for like 5 mins. If you find it hard to that i got a no result. Think about it logically. What Vig in their right mind would Shoot Eden N1? And between the 2, who was the easier ML? Eden or SL? Why would mafia decide to shoot SL over Eden? Because they did not shoot SL, they shot Eden.


Wait you're really hard claiming no result?

What's your read on me right now?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 18 2016 22:12 GMT
#1155
On February 19 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote:
DO not underestimate Tumble, as either alignment. Guy is pretty good Tbh as scum and prob. great as town.
It's not a matter of estimation. It's a matter of him seeming to be extremely obvious town...

I don't have any great lynch targets Nooniansoong seems much more involved now, I need to look through later to see if his play has direction or if it's just commenting, but for now I'm not feeling as comfortable scumreading him I guess. I wish I knew what his play would look like as mafia given his new playstyle.

I need to look more at Tictock and The Shining, I feel that both are town, but they could use a second look. And I should probably read rsoultin's filter at some point, bleh. Rsoultin is probably mafia because I don't think that she is, which tends to only happen when she is mafia and never when she is town, which is pretty dumb, but whatever.

I still can really see scott31337 being mafia here, as well as maybe GlowingBear. They've both felt very uninvolved and distant lately. I would think that the images would make GlowingBear town, but he actually hasn't been pushing anything or making any reads. Since he (presumably) hasn't dove filters yet, this is quite suspicious to me. I had some reasons to be suspicious of scott31337 before, perhaps the biggest reasons I am not sure that he is mafia is because I remember accusing him of having no direction before when I was mafia to mislynch him (which is something I find suspicious about his play now) and that the votes don't really feel like a town vs scum wagon....

Anyway, I have an exam in a bit less than two hours, and then lots of homework due Friday, so I doubt I can do much serious analysis until after that.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 18 2016 22:14 GMT
#1156
Shapelog is probably just town.

If he's not town, it will be clear soon enough. There is next to zero chance that he survives this game if he is mafia, there are way too many things that would need to go perfectly for him, as well as a ton of tremendous mistakes from town. I highly suggest not worrying too much about him at this time.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 18 2016 22:51 GMT
#1157
trfel looking at the votes if scott is mafia you either think his partners are exactly tumble and ticktock OR that his partners did not care or had already resigned themselves to the fact that he would be lynched.

I come to this conclusion because GB shining and kush were all active around EOD and any of them could have voted palmar instead of their fringe votes.

Also the way i remember it the scott wagon came around fairly late and only had me and you (trfel) pushing it so i doubt scum were cutting their losses. So if you think scott is scum his partners are tumble and ticktock or his partners don't care about keeping him alive.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 18 2016 22:52 GMT
#1158
actually my last post isnt that right i guess but if scott is infact mafia then at least one ofTT or tumble are probably mafia aswell just of VCA
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
February 18 2016 22:54 GMT
#1159
On February 19 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote:
DO not underestimate Tumble, as either alignment. Guy is pretty good Tbh as scum and prob. great as town.

What? My play sucked in NSM XIX
good times for all
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 18 2016 23:05 GMT
#1160
On February 19 2016 07:54 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote:
DO not underestimate Tumble, as either alignment. Guy is pretty good Tbh as scum and prob. great as town.

What? My play sucked in NSM XIX


By contrast, how would you rate your play here?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
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