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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 18:46 GMT
#627
On February 18 2016 03:43 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 03:42 The Shining wrote:
On February 18 2016 03:36 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 03:34 The Shining wrote:
On February 18 2016 03:27 Shapelog wrote:
*Sigh* Kush I believed in you :/
Oh well, At this point I guess who I think should get lynch does not matter. Not changing my vote thou to a counter wagon that will just end up hammering a Town.

I am just going to post reads at this point. Put my death to good use.


This post is weird. How do you know a counter wagon would be town? And why would you think who should be lynched doesn't matter? It always matters, especially since you said you'd be giving reads.

You are saying who you should lynch won't matter. Then you're saying you'll give reads, implying they'll matter. I don't understand.
And someone else sees it

If you look at the vote count, it's even more weird. The other wagons are all at basically the same vote count, he can make his own counterwagon.


he said I was the lynch scum wanted and implies one or both were scum. When I asked, he said SL could be scum, not Eden and used a post of SLs.

SL is a viable counterwagon to Shape and he said SL could be scum. Why is he not voting SL and saying a counter wagon would be town?

OH HE IS A COUNTERWAGON???
##UnvoteVote:Saltlicker
And there goes one possible reason to read Shapelog as town, that he wouldn't vote for survival. Cool
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 19:00 GMT
#643
On February 18 2016 03:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude, catching up is exhausting.

I'm on page 21 and I'll keep catching up later but I need a break.

Can someone summarise what's going on right now for me?
We're basically lynching between Shapelog and sicklucker and maybe Palmar. Not much happening.

Shapelog is in the lead, I suggest you take a look at him.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 19:12 GMT
#649
On February 18 2016 04:07 Breshke wrote:
last few pages from shape seem really really scummmy. Especially this

Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 03:20 Shapelog wrote:
On February 18 2016 03:19 nooniansoong wrote:
um shape why are you voting trfel for a joke...?

Because I am tired of voting off GB L33t.
But Srs. he is prob mafia.


I'm not sure if he is reffering to trefel or GB here im fairly sure it's trefel but he doesn't bring it up again when he should 100% be trying to push a counter wagon especially if someone is "prob mafia". I get that he also scumreads SL but it just seemed like the easy way out and he ahsn't explained this read at all.

##Vote Shapelog

Also trefel it might not be important now but how do you think that no one responds to you when you point out my early questions went nowhere and correctly idenify this as something I do as scum. Makes me feel that there is scum in people that are more familiar to me and are resigned to not lynching me. Is this a bad assumption?
I mean, maybe you're right. Part of the problem is that it's extremely subjective, while I personally feel that that initial question went nowhere, I can see how people would feel that it really did have a point behind it. I can also see how people wouldn't care enough to respond and say so, unfortunately.

I think it's probably more of people just not wanting to talk about you, other than maybe Palmar, anyway. I guess it would make sense for scum to push you more than they have, assuming you are town, but I'm not yet sure what that means.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 19:15 GMT
#658
On February 18 2016 04:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 04:00 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 03:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude, catching up is exhausting.

I'm on page 21 and I'll keep catching up later but I need a break.

Can someone summarise what's going on right now for me?
We're basically lynching between Shapelog and sicklucker and maybe Palmar. Not much happening.

Shapelog is in the lead, I suggest you take a look at him.


My vote is on Sicklucker, but can you direct me to the reasoning of why Shapelog and Palmar are Mafia?

I really didn't see anything alignmrent indicative during my read-through
The reasoning for Palmar being mafia is that his reads are lazy and he's being bad.

I think that this reasoning is a bit poor, to say the least.

Shapelog is mafia because he hasn't had a push or direction to his play until he became the leading wagon. Only at this point did he show an actual interest in scumreads, and he seems to be flailing wildly instead of actually figuring out who is scum.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 19:32 GMT
#676
On February 18 2016 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 04:15 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 04:08 GlowingBear wrote:
On February 18 2016 04:00 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 03:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude, catching up is exhausting.

I'm on page 21 and I'll keep catching up later but I need a break.

Can someone summarise what's going on right now for me?
We're basically lynching between Shapelog and sicklucker and maybe Palmar. Not much happening.

Shapelog is in the lead, I suggest you take a look at him.


My vote is on Sicklucker, but can you direct me to the reasoning of why Shapelog and Palmar are Mafia?

I really didn't see anything alignmrent indicative during my read-through
The reasoning for Palmar being mafia is that his reads are lazy and he's being bad.

I think that this reasoning is a bit poor, to say the least.

Shapelog is mafia because he hasn't had a push or direction to his play until he became the leading wagon. Only at this point did he show an actual interest in scumreads, and he seems to be flailing wildly instead of actually figuring out who is scum.


I don't think Shapelog is the lynch for today. I've seen him droppig some genuine insights that showed fair amount of effort behind it. He could be Mafia but there are far better lynches today
Hm, I haven't seen any genuine insights from him. Please explain?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 19:55 GMT
#706
Internet trouble... Will try and get things sorted out.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 19:58 GMT
#709
No don't kill Shapelog

I think kill sicklucker for being willing to kill Shapelog after earlier saying that he wanted to be safe and not kill power roles
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 19:59 GMT
#711
Okay, internet is back up. Cool.

Shapelog may very well be mafia, but that's for time to figure out. Not right now.

I don't have much of an opinion on nooniansoong, but he has been fairly noncommittal as town. See Outlaw Mafia, for example.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:03 GMT
#720
On February 18 2016 04:59 Breshke wrote:
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On February 18 2016 04:58 Trfel wrote:
No don't kill Shapelog

I think kill sicklucker for being willing to kill Shapelog after earlier saying that he wanted to be safe and not kill power roles


also he literally just said he didnt want to work out shape because he was an enigma, shape then claims blue and now he says he will risk it.

Sl did claim blue also though
He did?

Well, if both of them are telling the truth, then I have no clue what's going on.

I guess probably either nooniansoong or GlowingBear?

This is kinda stupid.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:05 GMT
#725
No, making them claim right now is stupid IMO. Wait for later at least.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:16 GMT
#749
Meh, maybe I just lynch GlowingBear?

This is pretty not ideal. Someone help?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:18 GMT
#754
Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game.

Maybe just lynch him?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:29 GMT
#779
On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:
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On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game.

Maybe just lynch him?

This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options.
I remember being willing to lynch him earlier. The reasons are in my filter.

Basically he has no drive to lynch mafia. He went from "I'm scumreading Breshke" to "placing my vote on GlowingBear for now" without explanation. And his Tumblewood read doesn't feel natural at all. He's very uninvested and dry.

The Shining's anger at being scumread felt a bit towny, maybe I'm misreading things, but I don't really think so? Damdred says that the best way to read The Shining is to look for his displays of emotion, and here those felt natural to me? I'll read his filter again, but I'd appreciate it if people would look at scott31337.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:34 GMT
#792
On February 18 2016 05:33 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 05:29 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:18 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, scott31337's in the game.

Maybe just lynch him?

This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options.
I remember being willing to lynch him earlier. The reasons are in my filter.

Basically he has no drive to lynch mafia. He went from "I'm scumreading Breshke" to "placing my vote on GlowingBear for now" without explanation. And his Tumblewood read doesn't feel natural at all. He's very uninvested and dry.

The Shining's anger at being scumread felt a bit towny, maybe I'm misreading things, but I don't really think so? Damdred says that the best way to read The Shining is to look for his displays of emotion, and here those felt natural to me? I'll read his filter again, but I'd appreciate it if people would look at scott31337.


nh, i can look at scott again, but palmar?
I've looked at his filter and I only have one reason to think that he is mafia. The reason is that he had one very strong scum read, but then resorted to doing nothing and asking for people's cases, like he doesn't care about his earlier read. And as town, Palmar generally cares a whole lot about his early reads.

Which is a pretty good argument, but other than this, Palmar seems like clear town. I'm worried that I'm just missing something.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:41 GMT
#809
On February 18 2016 05:39 Breshke wrote:
I read scotts filter and don't understand why he is voting GB and not me
YES SOMEONE SEES THE LIGHT

Plus maybe I'm not lynching Shapelog because of his claim, but I don't really want to vote with him....

@rsoultin, in simple words, trolling Palmar is town Palmar. Surely you remember this. You may not agree, and yes it's simple, but as a general rule it's a real thing.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:45 GMT
#820
On February 18 2016 05:44 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 05:41 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:39 Breshke wrote:
I read scotts filter and don't understand why he is voting GB and not me
YES SOMEONE SEES THE LIGHT

Plus maybe I'm not lynching Shapelog because of his claim, but I don't really want to vote with him....

@rsoultin, in simple words, trolling Palmar is town Palmar. Surely you remember this. You may not agree, and yes it's simple, but as a general rule it's a real thing.


o.0 yeah um...no. like seriously, just no. if palmar were that easy to read i'd already have a godread on him

@bresh...the only thing i could think of was that gb had a wagon on him and you and tumble didn't, but since he started the wagon it makes no sense
Okay, so why isn't it that simple? My read on Palmar has been pretty good ever since probably Linux/Assassination mafia, unless I'm being selective with my memory.

I mean, okay, it's not quite that simple, but that's the basic idea. Can you show me a game of Palmar's Linux/Down Under level trolling where he is mafia?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:51 GMT
#842
On February 18 2016 05:47 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 05:45 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:44 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:41 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:39 Breshke wrote:
I read scotts filter and don't understand why he is voting GB and not me
YES SOMEONE SEES THE LIGHT

Plus maybe I'm not lynching Shapelog because of his claim, but I don't really want to vote with him....

@rsoultin, in simple words, trolling Palmar is town Palmar. Surely you remember this. You may not agree, and yes it's simple, but as a general rule it's a real thing.


o.0 yeah um...no. like seriously, just no. if palmar were that easy to read i'd already have a godread on him

@bresh...the only thing i could think of was that gb had a wagon on him and you and tumble didn't, but since he started the wagon it makes no sense
Okay, so why isn't it that simple? My read on Palmar has been pretty good ever since probably Linux/Assassination mafia, unless I'm being selective with my memory.

I mean, okay, it's not quite that simple, but that's the basic idea. Can you show me a game of Palmar's Linux/Down Under level trolling where he is mafia?


specifically that level? dunnae...he just fooled me his last scum game though where i thought he seemed pretty town for the not give a fucks
If you're talking about Outlaw, which I assume you are, then I read him as mafia in that game

His trolling wasn't on the same level as the "interview" joke, or the three Palmars talking to each other. And his reads were more of a "standard" approach, aka giving reasons and then making reads based on those reasons.

Again, the way he dropped his Breshke read makes no sense, but at the same time I don't feel very confident at all in lynching him, I'd still say he's more likely town. Given how this is gone I just want to cut losses, and scott31337 is a good lynch.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:54 GMT
#853
See the Palmar section of this post for more details.

Anyway, I really feel that scott31337 is a decent lynch for both lynching mafia and not screwing up bigtime. Palmar is #1 in the power rankings, you don't lynch him for awful reasons when the day is going like this.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:56 GMT
#862
On February 18 2016 05:54 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 05:51 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:47 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:45 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:44 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:41 Trfel wrote:
On February 18 2016 05:39 Breshke wrote:
I read scotts filter and don't understand why he is voting GB and not me
YES SOMEONE SEES THE LIGHT

Plus maybe I'm not lynching Shapelog because of his claim, but I don't really want to vote with him....

@rsoultin, in simple words, trolling Palmar is town Palmar. Surely you remember this. You may not agree, and yes it's simple, but as a general rule it's a real thing.


o.0 yeah um...no. like seriously, just no. if palmar were that easy to read i'd already have a godread on him

@bresh...the only thing i could think of was that gb had a wagon on him and you and tumble didn't, but since he started the wagon it makes no sense
Okay, so why isn't it that simple? My read on Palmar has been pretty good ever since probably Linux/Assassination mafia, unless I'm being selective with my memory.

I mean, okay, it's not quite that simple, but that's the basic idea. Can you show me a game of Palmar's Linux/Down Under level trolling where he is mafia?


specifically that level? dunnae...he just fooled me his last scum game though where i thought he seemed pretty town for the not give a fucks
If you're talking about Outlaw, which I assume you are, then I read him as mafia in that game

His trolling wasn't on the same level as the "interview" joke, or the three Palmars talking to each other. And his reads were more of a "standard" approach, aka giving reasons and then making reads based on those reasons.

Again, the way he dropped his Breshke read makes no sense, but at the same time I don't feel very confident at all in lynching him, I'd still say he's more likely town. Given how this is gone I just want to cut losses, and scott31337 is a good lynch.


nh :/

fine lol yolo...but i blame you if palmar turns out to be scum. you'll like...have to grovel at me and idk play a game with lex and myself later THE HORROR!
If Palmar is scum, he'll go down later. I don't feel like Palmar can escape this if he is scum. He should never have escaped in Outlaw anyway.

But if he's town, like I feel is more likely, I'd really like him alive.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 17 2016 20:57 GMT
#870
On February 18 2016 05:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Like seriously, there is no reason to call Kush town here

VOTE KUSH
But why are you calling him scum is the question?

I don't really know why he's scum.
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