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sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

December 29 2015 06:55 GMT

#2121

On December 29 2015 15:42 Vivax wrote:
Id vote Artanis and Damdred for town leaders in this game

excuse me?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 29 2015 07:01 GMT

#2122

See TicTock, here is my problem.

I agree that it is possible your reads post at the start of the game comes from town. So let's say you did that as town, fine.
But then again we come to this:

I am quoting this on parts, so it is easier to read and respond to:

Rayn said he couldn't understand my reads post he quoted first here, (1)yet he had the exact same reaction to Kush revieling his smurf that I did, and (2)later questioned Ness for very similar things that I was seeing.

ONE:

The shit about me not reading kus of Kush's smurf I already responded to and is just not true. I wouldn't sign up for a game I didn't intend to make some effort to read, and I would read things twice as carefully if I were scum. Just kus I don't see things or react to things the same as you do doesn't mean I'm not reading.

That is just not right. The difference is the following;
I made that read. After i had made the read Holyflare (and someone else, maybe ritoky?) pointed out why my read is based on incorrect basis. After that, you come in and make the same read -- which you should already know is based on incorrect basis.

TWO:

I posted 3 posts of Ness. One he flippantly writes off trying to read Exo with a gif trying to act like it's non of his buisness, saying he might be town or mafia.
He also gives a "just cause" read on Sl, then immediately backs it up with "reasons"

Those posts furthered the idea that he wasn't really trying to make reads on people or think about the game, and the post regarding Exo was just one example of him going "well maybe they are town or mafia, not my problem"

Okay now look at this. This is what you say about your scumread on Ness and where it was (is?) based on. Here is what i wrote about Ness:

On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
[quote]

Let me ask you something

What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?

Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?

It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from

Food for thought~

Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?

I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.

Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?

It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.

mmmm on the contrary

that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you.
Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.

please answer my question now.

You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe

I find you being town hard to believe.

Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.

*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:

You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?

I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness.
This is one thing.
The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because".
Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!?
Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?

What i am saying here is that Ness had a scumread on Glowingbear. But still he didn't want to vote for Glowingbear because of "i have bigger fish to fry". Not only does he not try to actually "fry these bigger fish", he votes for Vivax -- who is a complete non-entity contentwise at this point -- instead. His only other scumreads are Vivax (for who knows why) and sicklucker (for gut reasons), so i found it very hard to understand what this "i have bigger fish to fry" means , since it doesn't fucking mean anything (as based on his reasoning, Vivax and sicklucker cannot possibly be "bigger fish" than GB), nor does he even follow up on it on ANY way.

So yes, this could be really easily seen from my post - -and from my questioning from Ness after. Now go look at the posts, yours -- and mine, again:

questioned Ness for very similar things that I was seeing

... does this look like a fair comparison of what i did and what you did? Not only you are completely incorrect here, the reasoning for MY SCUMREAD ON NESS i pointed out HADNT EVEN HAPPENED WHEN YOU MADE YOUR POST!!

So, we come to this:
In both of those cases, you are completely misrepresenting either the chain of events timelinewise or what actually happened. In both of those cases you are using my read on same person you scumread as a defense on why i should not be thinking you are mafia, and say we "said the same thing" when it is actually completely different things we are saying.... Here is a simple question to you:

I can find two reasons for this. You are either...
(1) ...just straight out lying, which makes you mafia, or
(2) ...you haven't read the thread properly and/or are not thinking about what you read properly. With this the problem is you claim you are not, you STILL claim you are not, when i can easily prove i am right and you are 100% wrong here. This also makes you mafia, because it makes you not reading the thread, and you claim it is not true, which brings us back to you lying...

(3) If you are not doing either of this, then please, tell me, and everyone else WHAT are you doing then? What is this option three i am missing because i can't fucking see it. AtE will not help you, calling people dumb will not help you. Explaining will, if you are town. If you are not you can do what the fuck you want.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

December 29 2015 07:05 GMT

#2123

On December 29 2015 15:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Personal lynch candidates for tomorrow:

Ritoky
ObiWanShinobi
TicTock
HolyFlare

But whyyyyyyy.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 29 2015 07:05 GMT

#2124

And we should fucking murder Vivax straight up. Just fucking lynch him. He is either jailkeeper or he is mafia, there is no other option. If he does not die during the night we lynch him, period.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

December 29 2015 07:06 GMT

#2125

At what point does someone go "my top scumreads are trying to kill each other so they're both scum?"
It makes no sense. It didn't make sense before and it doesn't make sense now.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

December 29 2015 07:07 GMT

#2126

On December 29 2015 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And we should fucking murder Vivax straight up. Just fucking lynch him. He is either jailkeeper or he is mafia, there is no other option. If he does not die during the night we lynch him, period.

Is he still doing the thing where he's playing around with his claim?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 29 2015 07:07 GMT

#2127

Retracting from the JK claim is the fucking stupidest thing you can ever do if you are the real jailkeeper. Mafia would know already you are town so you are very very likely the jailkeeper.

Mafia please, if Vivax is not in your team, shoot him, you get a 100% jailkeeper.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 29 2015 07:10 GMT

#2128

Holyflare i don't think Glowingbear is mafia and i think you should let go of that read.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 29 2015 07:18 GMT

#2129

Scumlist:

TicTock / Ness (one of them is definitely mafia, i am heavily leaning on TT especially after his respone i just commented on)
Vivax
boxerfred
noonian (especially if TT is somehow town -- kush is fucking 100% mafia there, otherwise only 90%)

Koshi is probably scum too, just because i have zero reasons to townread him. I tend to not care about reading him on D1, it's basically the same thing than with geript -- i just don't have any fucking reason to townread Koshi because he isn't doing anything at all.

Slam could be easily mafia. idk, just shoot him in the face.

Shining said some very very weird things.

I don't remember anything sicklucker has said.
Onegu can die in fire.

Vivax

22089 Posts

December 29 2015 07:19 GMT

#2130

On December 29 2015 15:55 sicklucker wrote:

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excuse me?

Ohyea forgot to incude you.

Vivax

22089 Posts

December 29 2015 07:21 GMT

#2131

On December 29 2015 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Retracting from the JK claim is the fucking stupidest thing you can ever do if you are the real jailkeeper. Mafia would know already you are town so you are very very likely the jailkeeper.

Mafia please, if Vivax is not in your team, shoot him, you get a 100% jailkeeper.

the way HF reacted to the claim right afterwards sothere might be some interesting stuff to be found. Ill check it out after a match of doto

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 29 2015 07:41 GMT

#2132

On December 29 2015 16:21 Vivax wrote:

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the way HF reacted to the claim right afterwards sothere might be some interesting stuff to be found. Ill check it out after a match of doto

Or you are scum and just claimed JK for shits and giggles when it was quite likely HF will yell the town to lynch you over TT and when ~15 players posted and votes came off you you decided you have an out by unclaiming (since let's be honest -- if almost anyone else in the game CC'd you you are dead). That's how i see it.

And now you have developed a bullshit reason for suspecting HF for it.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

December 29 2015 07:59 GMT

#2133

Rayn this post

On December 27 2015 11:39 Holyflare wrote:

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Kush hasn't revealed anything, he has already said his smurf name pre-game in the Newbie game:

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Came after I posted that first reads post.

When I responded with this later, it was to explain where my reads came from.

On December 27 2015 12:10 Tictock wrote:

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You kus you posted a bunch of questions to everyone but haven't really used peoples responses to further reads. Also these:

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On December 27 2015 11:22 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 11:19 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 11:14 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 11:11 Holyflare wrote:

On December 27 2015 11:00 Koshi wrote:

On December 27 2015 10:25 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote:
To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.

Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.

1) First riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.

goal:
- A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)
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question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)

2) second riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.

goal:
- Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.

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question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)

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1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.

In your picture it would be:

Back person: *Silence*
Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"

2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?

Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.

first one is correct

Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else.

The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate.

The situation would go as follows:

As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White".

Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat.

Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black".

^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with

Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.

But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?

To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.)
I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.

Much more important than who is town

Who is Mafia?

Choose one person with not much to go off of?

Sicklucker, just because.
That or whoever seems scummiest rn i don't care enough to do anything

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Noonian mostly kus of the smurf thing.

So yes my reaction was more or less the same as yours untill that information was availible.

On December 27 2015 11:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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No. Its actually his problem.
Abd by blowing your smurf you earned my vote.
Shit. Cheap. Crap. Die.

And yes, the same shit you were questioning Ness about is why I posted those 2 quotes Ness made about SL. No it was not 100% exactly the same thing, but honestly it seems to me like we were picking up on the same shit from him. Like 3/5 of the points you made in that post can be traced back to the posts I quoted when I said "these are what I'm scum reading you for"

I don't really care if believe me, but from my perspective we've actually had very similar trains of thought regarding both Kush and Ness. So I think it's stupid that you scum read me for those reads.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

December 29 2015 08:03 GMT

#2134

yo TT, can you give a read on every single person who switched to save you. thanx gurl.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

December 29 2015 08:04 GMT

#2135

so that list is: ritoky, koshi, palmar, SL, trfel, rsoul, shining, damdred

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

December 29 2015 08:04 GMT

#2136

There is more than black and white rayn.

If there wasn't these games would be boring as fuck.

I never understand why you have to think in absolutes.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

December 29 2015 08:06 GMT

#2137

On December 29 2015 17:03 ritoky wrote:
yo TT, can you give a read on every single person who switched to save you. thanx gurl.

Holy shit, what do I look like? A guy who's trying here?

I'll do it before EoN but you better be happy with w/e you get.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 29 2015 08:06 GMT

#2138

Ahh okay i understand the kush thing now. You should have said that earlier, i didn't think you were explaining your earlier reasoning and not saying like "i still think kush is mafia"... Let me look for something real quick...

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

December 29 2015 08:06 GMT

#2139

On December 29 2015 17:04 Tictock wrote:

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There is more than black and white rayn.

If there wasn't these games would be boring as fuck.

I never understand why you have to think in absolutes.

rayn's response will just be: if you tolerate idiocy and let people do stupid shit without consequence, then you're encouraging terrible play and opening yourself up to losing even more than you should.

well he will say it much more mean

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 29 2015 08:09 GMT

#2140

meh.. maybe you are just telling the truth about the Ness thing aswell.

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