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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 18:41 GMT
#3021
On September 03 2015 03:39 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:36 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:33 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:
I'm not a trackable role.



On September 03 2015 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I have a very good reason to keep my role a secret. It leaves mafia in the dark whether I'm just a PGO or a veteran who took bribes.


These two statements directly contradict each other.


Of course cause if I don't say I'm not trackable they immediately think I'm veteran doofus


Can you hardclaim now please.


Ok I am veteran. I took bribes. I hoped they would shoot and RB me. And if you lynch me and there's a mafia vig which makes perfect sense with 2 masons and a veteran, and they probably also have a roleblocker, you lose the game tomorrow.


Yeah you are scum. If you took bribes you would know you could have visited JAT.


I don't believe VE's claim in the slightest. There's a 50% chance that I'm not even a wandering townie, he tracked me out of everyone (instead of say Kelsier - missing motive to track me at all) and he only claimed after I claimed blue.

The claim is purely agenda motivated.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 18:42 GMT
#3022
On September 03 2015 03:40 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:36 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:33 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:
I'm not a trackable role.



On September 03 2015 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I have a very good reason to keep my role a secret. It leaves mafia in the dark whether I'm just a PGO or a veteran who took bribes.


These two statements directly contradict each other.


Of course cause if I don't say I'm not trackable they immediately think I'm veteran doofus


Can you hardclaim now please.


Ok I am veteran. I took bribes. I hoped they would shoot and RB me. And if you lynch me and there's a mafia vig which makes perfect sense with 2 masons and a veteran, and they probably also have a roleblocker, you lose the game tomorrow.
What I don't understand is why you keep going back and forth on VisceraEyes' alignment. One moment you're convinced that he's scum because you aren't trackable, then you decide that VisceraEyes is town. I don't see this flip coming from town.


I never said he could be town post claim. I'm 100 % convinced he's mafia.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
September 02 2015 18:45 GMT
#3023
On September 03 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 03:40 Trfel wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:36 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:33 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:
I'm not a trackable role.



On September 03 2015 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I have a very good reason to keep my role a secret. It leaves mafia in the dark whether I'm just a PGO or a veteran who took bribes.


These two statements directly contradict each other.


Of course cause if I don't say I'm not trackable they immediately think I'm veteran doofus


Can you hardclaim now please.


Ok I am veteran. I took bribes. I hoped they would shoot and RB me. And if you lynch me and there's a mafia vig which makes perfect sense with 2 masons and a veteran, and they probably also have a roleblocker, you lose the game tomorrow.
What I don't understand is why you keep going back and forth on VisceraEyes' alignment. One moment you're convinced that he's scum because you aren't trackable, then you decide that VisceraEyes is town. I don't see this flip coming from town.


I never said he could be town post claim. I'm 100 % convinced he's mafia.
Okay, you're right, I misread. My bad.

I'll read the last few pages again after lunch, but I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16344 Posts
September 02 2015 18:46 GMT
#3024
On September 03 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
JAT want to just lynch Kels today? Lynching into either camp is great but I think it's better to nab someone who's basically claimed Mafia.

No. Vivax hasn't tried to solve the game all day and now he is just trying to survive and fearmongering.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 02 2015 18:46 GMT
#3025
On September 03 2015 03:41 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 03:39 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:36 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:33 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:
I'm not a trackable role.



On September 03 2015 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I have a very good reason to keep my role a secret. It leaves mafia in the dark whether I'm just a PGO or a veteran who took bribes.


These two statements directly contradict each other.


Of course cause if I don't say I'm not trackable they immediately think I'm veteran doofus


Can you hardclaim now please.


Ok I am veteran. I took bribes. I hoped they would shoot and RB me. And if you lynch me and there's a mafia vig which makes perfect sense with 2 masons and a veteran, and they probably also have a roleblocker, you lose the game tomorrow.


Yeah you are scum. If you took bribes you would know you could have visited JAT.


I don't believe VE's claim in the slightest. There's a 50% chance that I'm not even a wandering townie, he tracked me out of everyone (instead of say Kelsier - missing motive to track me at all) and he only claimed after I claimed blue.

The claim is purely agenda motivated.


What would be the point of tracking an almost confirmed scum player. Makes much more sense to track the scummiest player out of everyone else: you. It would be a completely logical decision.

You also claimed to not be a trackable role which is untrue, you don't know if you are wandering or not.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 18:47 GMT
#3026
I'm not letting you lose the game today.

It has to get into your thick heads that if you lynch me today and scum has a vig you lose tomorrow.

If you lynch ANY town and scum has that role you lose the game. VE is going all in for precisely that reason.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 18:48 GMT
#3027
On September 03 2015 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
JAT want to just lynch Kels today? Lynching into either camp is great but I think it's better to nab someone who's basically claimed Mafia.

No. Vivax hasn't tried to solve the game all day and now he is just trying to survive and fearmongering.


Kelsier claimed scum, I didn't have to do shit today until VE claimed.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 02 2015 18:55 GMT
#3028
Oh wow, look at Vivax flop around.

Vivax I'm town so I don't know what you're on about. You might be some sort of victim of circumstance here, but I don't see a world in which you don't die today. And going on and on about how confirmed mafia the town tracker is...well it's not helping your case son.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 18:56 GMT
#3029
Ok let's go with JAT's version of events (me, VE, Kelsier mafia)

I soft I'm blue during the night, I claim I'm blue during the day, all is fine, we steer towards claimed scum Kelsier, I claimed blue as mafia for fuck knows what reason then.

My scumbuddy VE claims I have a trackable role when I'm most likely not. Instead of just killing shitty Kelsier and try to win the game afterwards, for some reason my buds want to fuck up my claim and kill me instead of Kelsier. Also in doing that they kill themselves, both.

You guys are into some serious tinfoil there.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 18:59 GMT
#3030
And comparing Kelsier and ritoky to deconduo in playstyle is serious bs JAT. You won't ever sell to me that Kelsier is town in this game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 19:03 GMT
#3031
On September 03 2015 03:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh wow, look at Vivax flop around.

Vivax I'm town so I don't know what you're on about. You might be some sort of victim of circumstance here, but I don't see a world in which you don't die today. And going on and on about how confirmed mafia the town tracker is...well it's not helping your case son.


Well played VE
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 02 2015 19:04 GMT
#3032
On September 01 2015 08:51 Vivax wrote:
The reason the mason claim is even LESS believable is that I'm blue myself. I'm not going to say what I am specifically until the next night is over as well. For now they clearly preferred getting rid of marv even though I hinted that I was blue during the night.

##Vote: KSC

I'll pay more attention to the game again after this guy is dead.


On September 03 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 03:36 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:33 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:
I'm not a trackable role.



On September 03 2015 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I have a very good reason to keep my role a secret. It leaves mafia in the dark whether I'm just a PGO or a veteran who took bribes.


These two statements directly contradict each other.


Of course cause if I don't say I'm not trackable they immediately think I'm veteran doofus


Can you hardclaim now please.


Ok I am veteran. I took bribes. I hoped they would shoot and RB me. And if you lynch me and there's a mafia vig which makes perfect sense with 2 masons and a veteran, and they probably also have a roleblocker, you lose the game tomorrow.


Yeah, you tried to throw scum on the masons because you knew you were blue. Now you are saying that masons + your role makes perfect sense.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 02 2015 19:06 GMT
#3033
We also know that Kelsier is mafia, there is no denying it at this point.

For posterity i'm going to switch my vote back to Kelsier, because either lynch is acceptable.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 19:09 GMT
#3034
On September 03 2015 04:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 08:51 Vivax wrote:
The reason the mason claim is even LESS believable is that I'm blue myself. I'm not going to say what I am specifically until the next night is over as well. For now they clearly preferred getting rid of marv even though I hinted that I was blue during the night.

##Vote: KSC

I'll pay more attention to the game again after this guy is dead.


Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:36 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:33 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:
I'm not a trackable role.



On September 03 2015 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I have a very good reason to keep my role a secret. It leaves mafia in the dark whether I'm just a PGO or a veteran who took bribes.


These two statements directly contradict each other.


Of course cause if I don't say I'm not trackable they immediately think I'm veteran doofus


Can you hardclaim now please.


Ok I am veteran. I took bribes. I hoped they would shoot and RB me. And if you lynch me and there's a mafia vig which makes perfect sense with 2 masons and a veteran, and they probably also have a roleblocker, you lose the game tomorrow.


Yeah, you tried to throw scum on the masons because you knew you were blue. Now you are saying that masons + your role makes perfect sense.


It seems that today logical thinking is turned off.

With me being vet and marv being cop, it doesn't make sense for there to be two masons.

BUT, with me being vet, VE claiming another role, and mafia most likely having a vigi to win the game after another mislynch, it makes sense for there to be two masons.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 19:12 GMT
#3035
I'm working under the assumption that it's vet/cop/masons vs. vigi/any other combination involving a mafia vigi, most likely also a roleblocker to have the chance to get rid of the vet on N1.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 19:12 GMT
#3036
And the chance to get rid of both masons in one night.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 02 2015 19:13 GMT
#3037
On September 03 2015 04:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 04:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On September 01 2015 08:51 Vivax wrote:
The reason the mason claim is even LESS believable is that I'm blue myself. I'm not going to say what I am specifically until the next night is over as well. For now they clearly preferred getting rid of marv even though I hinted that I was blue during the night.

##Vote: KSC

I'll pay more attention to the game again after this guy is dead.


On September 03 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:36 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:33 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:
I'm not a trackable role.



On September 03 2015 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I have a very good reason to keep my role a secret. It leaves mafia in the dark whether I'm just a PGO or a veteran who took bribes.


These two statements directly contradict each other.


Of course cause if I don't say I'm not trackable they immediately think I'm veteran doofus


Can you hardclaim now please.


Ok I am veteran. I took bribes. I hoped they would shoot and RB me. And if you lynch me and there's a mafia vig which makes perfect sense with 2 masons and a veteran, and they probably also have a roleblocker, you lose the game tomorrow.


Yeah, you tried to throw scum on the masons because you knew you were blue. Now you are saying that masons + your role makes perfect sense.


It seems that today logical thinking is turned off.

With me being vet and marv being cop, it doesn't make sense for there to be two masons.

BUT, with me being vet, VE claiming another role, and mafia most likely having a vigi to win the game after another mislynch, it makes sense for there to be two masons.


The world you are trying to push is that you are the vet, marv was the cop, and there are two masons. So the world only does not exist unless VE claims?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 02 2015 19:14 GMT
#3038
It seems perfectly reasonable for a 1-shot cop, masons, and a vet even before VE claimed. There's no reason to assume mafia wouldn't have power roles.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 19:15 GMT
#3039
On September 03 2015 04:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 04:09 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 04:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On September 01 2015 08:51 Vivax wrote:
The reason the mason claim is even LESS believable is that I'm blue myself. I'm not going to say what I am specifically until the next night is over as well. For now they clearly preferred getting rid of marv even though I hinted that I was blue during the night.

##Vote: KSC

I'll pay more attention to the game again after this guy is dead.


On September 03 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:36 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:33 deconduo wrote:
On September 03 2015 03:02 Vivax wrote:
I'm not a trackable role.



On September 03 2015 03:30 Vivax wrote:
I have a very good reason to keep my role a secret. It leaves mafia in the dark whether I'm just a PGO or a veteran who took bribes.


These two statements directly contradict each other.


Of course cause if I don't say I'm not trackable they immediately think I'm veteran doofus


Can you hardclaim now please.


Ok I am veteran. I took bribes. I hoped they would shoot and RB me. And if you lynch me and there's a mafia vig which makes perfect sense with 2 masons and a veteran, and they probably also have a roleblocker, you lose the game tomorrow.


Yeah, you tried to throw scum on the masons because you knew you were blue. Now you are saying that masons + your role makes perfect sense.


It seems that today logical thinking is turned off.

With me being vet and marv being cop, it doesn't make sense for there to be two masons.

BUT, with me being vet, VE claiming another role, and mafia most likely having a vigi to win the game after another mislynch, it makes sense for there to be two masons.


The world you are trying to push is that you are the vet, marv was the cop, and there are two masons. So the world only does not exist unless VE claims?


That's way more plausible than the world of me/VE/Kelsier with VE bussing me before Kelsier when I would have been in a good spot as mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22427 Posts
September 02 2015 19:16 GMT
#3040
On September 03 2015 04:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
It seems perfectly reasonable for a 1-shot cop, masons, and a vet even before VE claimed. There's no reason to assume mafia wouldn't have power roles.


No it's not reasonable cause that's like 5 confirmed townies when the cop checks a townie, which wouldn't be balanced without a mafia vig who we didn't see act last night.
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