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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 20:43 GMT
#2262
On August 29 2015 05:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.


i did read your mega post



Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game.


because vivax made a stupid post


That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game.


i don't agree with the scum read on you

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 20:49 GMT
#2266
On August 29 2015 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On August 29 2015 05:43 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.


i did read your mega post



Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game.


because vivax made a stupid post


That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game.


i don't agree with the scum read on you



Or you are mafia and know I'm town.


or i have reasons to town read you, good talk
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 20:54 GMT
#2273
On August 29 2015 05:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On August 29 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:43 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.


i did read your mega post



Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game.


because vivax made a stupid post


That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game.


i don't agree with the scum read on you



Or you are mafia and know I'm town.


or i have reasons to town read you, good talk


Explain how Trfel and I had the best ideas about Hopeless being mafia, and that's why you were scumreading him.


Trefl had a good read on hopeless
I thought you agreed with it but I misread your post.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 20:58 GMT
#2278
On August 29 2015 05:56 Vivax wrote:
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On August 29 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:43 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.


i did read your mega post



Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game.


because vivax made a stupid post


That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game.


i don't agree with the scum read on you



Or you are mafia and know I'm town.


or i have reasons to town read you, good talk


A recap of those reasons would be nice since marv is already going ham on CC with reasons that oppose your point of view.


I liked the tone of his posting early on, i agreed with his interpretation of the push on JAT. He didn't like wave which was the same as me.
The scum read on him is partly based on a game from years ago that I wasn't in so that has no relevance at all.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 21:05 GMT
#2285
On August 29 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:
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On August 29 2015 05:58 rsoultin wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.


You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter.


I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people.

I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different.

boggles my mind tbh


Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true.


meh

i ignored this the first time cause everyone who doesn't know me tends to either read me town (cause they're not aware of what i'm capable of) or can't comprehend my posts at all and call it shit posting. but maybe i shouldn't have. if you thought i was town so quickly, why would it be surprising to you for anyone else to, and why would that speak to their alignment at all?


I figured mafia would not be so quick to claim that you were town. It would be pretty easy to interpret most of your posting as, so you say, shit-posting and being mafia indicative. After all, you just poked people with sticks and gave some meager reads. I read that as towny excitement. Mafia can easily skew that to be useless filler.

I don't understand what the big deal is. Palmar came up with the same tentative conclusion I did early on about your alignment. Regardless of his reasons (which seemed OK), his train of thought seemed townie because it was similar to mine.


so why didn't you see it as shit-posting?


i guess what i'm getting at here is you are basically saying that you consciously saw something that could be interpreted as either excitement or shit-posting, and simultaneously avoided the "this is shit-posting" pitfall not knowing me from adam while deciding that scum would push me for that, so anyone townreading me must be town? i just...don't get this line of thinking


hmm this is a good post
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 21:10 GMT
#2286
wave, forgive me for asking a question but can you explain your read on CC and how you arrived at it.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 21:20 GMT
#2299
On August 29 2015 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On August 29 2015 06:10 KelsierSC wrote:
wave, forgive me for asking a question but can you explain your read on CC and how you arrived at it.

I have rehashed this so many times, I already know how this goes.
I explain my process, you find something in it you don't understand despite being incredibly obvious, you don't let it go, I get angry, I stop talking to you.

It is also STILL entirely possible to find my reads progression on CC without me even having to answer this if you would put forth the slightest modicum of effort.
Here I'll even explain how.
Open my filter, and Ctrl+F 'CC'
You can do it.


ok you are a big man on the internet well done

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 21:20 GMT
#2300
you ever consider that the reason I am asking you is because it isn't incredibly obvious and I want you to explain it.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 21:24 GMT
#2305
On August 29 2015 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On August 29 2015 06:20 KelsierSC wrote:
you ever consider that the reason I am asking you is because it isn't incredibly obvious and I want you to explain it.

It absolutely is because you are the only one pursuing it/who has a problem with it.


ok everyone else is more intelligent than me

here's my thing, I town read CC. i scum read you, maybe I am having doubts on you and I want to evaluate you again, so I am asking you to just clear something up. It isn't unreasonable of me
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 21:52 GMT
#2324
i mean i'm a little insulted but ok
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 22:03 GMT
#2341
ummm

going to sleep, reading again tomorow
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 29 2015 12:47 GMT
#2422
hello , catching up
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 29 2015 13:05 GMT
#2426
I'd be happy lynching hopeless today, i'm pretty sure of the AFK list at EOD there had to be one mafia and vivax has been making reasonable posts , decon has a green check and felt town, whereas hopeless just hasn't done anything.

For other people I want to look at again,

I'd look at CC again because he was being scum read by multiple people, he felt like town to me but worth another look.

Trefl I had as town early on and because I assumed he and palmar are masons. If that isn't the case I would look at him again...

I still don't know about moosy, I can't tell if he is just bad town or scum.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 30 2015 22:05 GMT
#2703
meh i thought hopeless was mafia and didn't want to be modkilled

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
September 01 2015 09:40 GMT
#2859
the mason claim a the end was pretty weird, i assumed they were masoned from pretty early D1 but palmar stating they weren't and trefl then claiming right at the end they were. I don't really know what to make of that

I don't like moosy I think his inconsistent game could actually be scum rather than inconsistent town.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
September 01 2015 10:16 GMT
#2872
On September 01 2015 18:46 justanothertownie wrote:
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On September 01 2015 18:40 KelsierSC wrote:
the mason claim a the end was pretty weird, i assumed they were masoned from pretty early D1 but palmar stating they weren't and trefl then claiming right at the end they were. I don't really know what to make of that

I don't like moosy I think his inconsistent game could actually be scum rather than inconsistent town.

I agree that moosy has fallen off a lot. The mason inconsistency can be easily explained by Palmar being his usual self i.e. a dick.


well I agree that the D1/D2 play of palmar makes no sense if they weren't masoned. hmm I was town reading palmar and trefl by association so I don't want to lynch either of them today.

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
September 01 2015 15:50 GMT
#2920
Think I want to lynch moosy
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
September 03 2015 16:04 GMT
#3103
Don't know what to think
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
September 04 2015 09:43 GMT
#3135
Hmm don't know who to lynch. Maybe moosy
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
September 04 2015 20:50 GMT
#3172
I just don't know who is mafia
Zerg for Life
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