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n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 21:59 GMT
#1621
On July 27 2015 17:31 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:23 Rels wrote:
@noobking: what is you read on TT ?

I already upgraded him from Town to DumbTown. If Ticktock is Scum, I'll eat my hat.

Well, I hope you guys are right. But I really think you're wrong.

*gets hat ready*
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 28 2015 21:59 GMT
#1622
On July 29 2015 06:58 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:
On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:
On July 29 2015 06:48 n00bKing wrote:
Would lynch Sulfurus. Would also lynch Mage or Breshke, to save Ticktock. Would not be happy about lynching Scott without a CC, but...might still do it, to save Ticktock. That Night Action appeared by magic.

Can any of these things happen?

Rayn was just called bad to entertain the idea of lynching a UN cc cop. And you would lynch UN cc cop over another player ?

Actually tell me why we should lynch Scott over TT I'm interested.

Because Scott's Cop claim is illogical, and I know Ticktock is Town. Have you not been reading the thread?

It is also UN cc.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
July 28 2015 22:00 GMT
#1623
Stop Posting Please!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 28 2015 22:01 GMT
#1624
On July 29 2015 06:58 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:
On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:
On July 29 2015 06:48 n00bKing wrote:
Would lynch Sulfurus. Would also lynch Mage or Breshke, to save Ticktock. Would not be happy about lynching Scott without a CC, but...might still do it, to save Ticktock. That Night Action appeared by magic.

Can any of these things happen?

Rayn was just called bad to entertain the idea of lynching a UN cc cop. And you would lynch UN cc cop over another player ?

Actually tell me why we should lynch Scott over TT I'm interested.

Because Scott's Cop claim is illogical, and I know Ticktock is Town. Have you not been reading the thread?


If tt flips town I'm 99% willing to lynch noob for Tmi lol
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-29 13:24:31
July 28 2015 22:06 GMT
#1625
Night 2




Tictock the Vanilla Town has been lynched you got 24 hours to give me and Bill Murray Night Actions! Also Warning to Damdred for posting after I said stop posting.

Final Day 2 Votecount


tictock (7): scott31337, Rels, raynpelikoneet, ruXxar, scott31337, disformation, raynpelikoneet, Sulfurus, Damdred, Breshke
nocturnemage (2): Tictock, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, Damdred
scott31337 (1): Damdred, Breshke, n00bKing, Tictock, disformation, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, raynpelikoneet
moosydoosy (1): Tictock, Sulfurus, ruXxar, Breshke, ruXxar
Rels (1): n00bKing
sulfurus (0): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337
n00bking (0): ruXxar
breshke (0): Tictock
Not Voting (0):

Tictock is set to be lynched!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 28 2015 22:07 GMT
#1626
Really glad I sheeped Rayn.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 22:07 GMT
#1627
*puts down hat*
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 28 2015 22:08 GMT
#1628
Tommorow I really like a mages lynch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 28 2015 22:09 GMT
#1629
Fuck.

Regardless I'm convinced noobking is mafia.

If you're not scott and are vig or cop:
1- you should have cc
2- you have to claim next day

I don't think it will happen but better safe than sorry.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 22:10 GMT
#1630
Meh, he brought it on himself.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 28 2015 22:11 GMT
#1631
Alright getting back to party. Noobking we ll settle this, we have 3 whole days of talk (if you don't kill me)! In the meantime, you better explain fast what you meant by "damaging the town" cause that didn't mean you were cop.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 22:12 GMT
#1632
On July 29 2015 06:57 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 06:53 Rels wrote:
On July 29 2015 06:43 n00bKing wrote:
On July 29 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:
Noobking i m convinced you're mafia and I think you're covering TT. But outside of TT alignment, the only reason for you not being mafia was you being cop and getting a green cbeck on me. That possibility being now dead as you didn't cc, I'm convinced you're mafia.

I never once hinted at the idea that I was the Cop. I shall call you ruXxar Jr.

Furthermore, your explanation on "if rels was cop he wouldn't check the person he SAID HE WOULD CHECK" made no sense.


Exactly.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:

1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.

2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill.

Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town).

The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker.

???


Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?

Seriously, your refusal to use reason and common sense is driving me crazy. Just STOP posting for a little while, THINK about what you've just said, and come back later.


What is this "Damaging town" talk? I don't understand what would be damaging to town.

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 28 2015 22:12 GMT
#1633
Come on now we talk about mages why tt over mages for people?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 28 2015 22:13 GMT
#1634
I love you ruxx
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 22:14 GMT
#1635
On July 29 2015 07:13 Rels wrote:
I love you ruxx


<3 Enjoy your party
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 22:18 GMT
#1636
On July 29 2015 07:11 Rels wrote:
Alright getting back to party. Noobking we ll settle this, we have 3 whole days of talk (if you don't kill me)! In the meantime, you better explain fast what you meant by "damaging the town" cause that didn't mean you were cop.

We don't need 3 days, I can answer that in one post. And as long as you're tunneled on a wrong target, you won't be getting killed. You're like the Mafia's best friend (again).

What was damaging to the Town is my belief that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE in this game.

I blue hunt in my Town games, just as surely as in my Scum games. For two reasons.

1) It's good practice for whenever I DO draw a Scum role.
2) If I can figure out which blue role someone is, I can eliminate them as a Scum suspect, even if they aren't contributing to the Town win condition with their posts.

Seems like a lot of players don't even think about which player might be a blue role, while they're Town. But I do. And you didn't look like one. At ALL. This is why I was so careful to correct the notion that I had said you weren't Cop or Vigilante. And I said no, I'm only ruling you out as Vig in the scenario where Flexes is Scum. And only ruling you out as Cop in a scenario where I'm Scum. I made sure that ALL other possibilities where you are Vig or Cop are left open. So that the Mafia could still think you're a blue role, even though I was pretty damn sure you weren't.

So for me to say you weren't a blue role at that time is damaging to the Town. I can't say that, even though it helps me explain how I know this "n00bKing blocked Rels cuz he might be Cop that was gonna turn in a check him" is ridiculous. It's safe to say it now, because you've already ruled yourself out as one.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 22:23 GMT
#1637
On July 29 2015 07:18 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 07:11 Rels wrote:
Alright getting back to party. Noobking we ll settle this, we have 3 whole days of talk (if you don't kill me)! In the meantime, you better explain fast what you meant by "damaging the town" cause that didn't mean you were cop.

We don't need 3 days, I can answer that in one post. And as long as you're tunneled on a wrong target, you won't be getting killed. You're like the Mafia's best friend (again).

What was damaging to the Town is my belief that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE in this game.

I blue hunt in my Town games, just as surely as in my Scum games. For two reasons.

1) It's good practice for whenever I DO draw a Scum role.
2) If I can figure out which blue role someone is, I can eliminate them as a Scum suspect, even if they aren't contributing to the Town win condition with their posts.

Seems like a lot of players don't even think about which player might be a blue role, while they're Town. But I do. And you didn't look like one. At ALL. This is why I was so careful to correct the notion that I had said you weren't Cop or Vigilante. And I said no, I'm only ruling you out as Vig in the scenario where Flexes is Scum. And only ruling you out as Cop in a scenario where I'm Scum. I made sure that ALL other possibilities where you are Vig or Cop are left open. So that the Mafia could still think you're a blue role, even though I was pretty damn sure you weren't.

So for me to say you weren't a blue role at that time is damaging to the Town. I can't say that, even though it helps me explain how I know this "n00bKing blocked Rels cuz he might be Cop that was gonna turn in a check him" is ridiculous. It's safe to say it now, because you've already ruled yourself out as one.


This doesn't make ANY sense when you've ALREADY said that he can't be cop?!!
How can your explanation be damaging UNLESS you are the cop?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 28 2015 22:25 GMT
#1638
On July 29 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote:
Come on now we talk about mages why tt over mages for people?


Totally demotivated right now. Should maybe rename myself to dismotivated.

*sigh*
Why TT over NM?
  1. Not really confident in either flipping scum as explained before.
  2. NM voted Barakos D1, TT did not.
  3. Was fearing I was not feeling the TT lynch because he was awefully friendly to me.
  4. Was fearing Rayn would never stop yelling until we lynch TT.


TBH feeling kinda awful atm. =/
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 22:30 GMT
#1639
On July 29 2015 07:23 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 07:18 n00bKing wrote:
On July 29 2015 07:11 Rels wrote:
Alright getting back to party. Noobking we ll settle this, we have 3 whole days of talk (if you don't kill me)! In the meantime, you better explain fast what you meant by "damaging the town" cause that didn't mean you were cop.

We don't need 3 days, I can answer that in one post. And as long as you're tunneled on a wrong target, you won't be getting killed. You're like the Mafia's best friend (again).

What was damaging to the Town is my belief that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE in this game.

I blue hunt in my Town games, just as surely as in my Scum games. For two reasons.

1) It's good practice for whenever I DO draw a Scum role.
2) If I can figure out which blue role someone is, I can eliminate them as a Scum suspect, even if they aren't contributing to the Town win condition with their posts.

Seems like a lot of players don't even think about which player might be a blue role, while they're Town. But I do. And you didn't look like one. At ALL. This is why I was so careful to correct the notion that I had said you weren't Cop or Vigilante. And I said no, I'm only ruling you out as Vig in the scenario where Flexes is Scum. And only ruling you out as Cop in a scenario where I'm Scum. I made sure that ALL other possibilities where you are Vig or Cop are left open. So that the Mafia could still think you're a blue role, even though I was pretty damn sure you weren't.

So for me to say you weren't a blue role at that time is damaging to the Town. I can't say that, even though it helps me explain how I know this "n00bKing blocked Rels cuz he might be Cop that was gonna turn in a check him" is ridiculous. It's safe to say it now, because you've already ruled yourself out as one.


This doesn't make ANY sense when you've ALREADY said that he can't be cop?!!

I DIDN'T. Read what I JUST SAID. When somebody tried to act like I had said Rels isn't the Cop, I was very careful to correct them. And say that Rels could still be Cop in ANY scenario that doesn't involve me being Scum. And that Rels could still be Vigilante in ANY scenario that doesn't involve Flexes being Scum.
On July 29 2015 07:23 ruXxar wrote:How can your explanation be damaging UNLESS you are the cop?

Again, why did you not read the post you are quoting?? My explanation would have been damaging because it tells the Mafia that Rels isn't a Power Role. Otherwise they still don't know, even though I think *I* know.

n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 22:38 GMT
#1640
Here, I found the quote for you (underlining for emphasis in a couple of spots):

On July 27 2015 17:30 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
Then you don't understand how thinking works. In what world does Mafia Flexes think you are a Vigilante, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE VIGILANTE?? And in what world does Mafia n00bKing think that you are a Cop, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE COP?? If the roleblock goes uncountered, then you're right on the edge of being completely confirmed Town. And yet you're STILL actively playing against the Town's win condition, by putting forth reasoning like this, and setting the stage for a mislynch on me.

Of course that doesn't make you or Flexes confirmed mafia.
But the mafia team took the risk of hitting the veteran to roleblock me. Completely dismissing the possibility of them afraid of my powers, like you're doing, is ridiculous.

Oh hey look, you're misrepresenting my position. I am SO surprised. Read it again. I did not eliminate the possibility of the scum team thinking you might be a Cop or Vig. I only eliminated two extremely specific scenarios. One where Flexes is Scum and thinks you're the Vig, and one where I am scum and think you're the Cop. Every other scenario where you're a Vig or Cop can still make sense.

There is something else that I really want to add on this topic, which more strongly demonstrates how I'm right and you're wrong, but it should wait until after the game.

So, the first underlined portion is me making sure that the Mafia should continue to wonder about whether Rels could still be a Cop or Vigilante.

And the second underlined portion...wonder what that could mean? It means that although I'm not going to tip my hand to the Mafia, I'm pretty damn sure that RELS AIN'T NO POWER ROLE.
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