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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 31 2015 14:29 GMT
#2121
On July 31 2015 23:16 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:13 disformation wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:
Disfo you just said this:
On July 31 2015 22:42 disformation wrote:
Yeah. I think he is damaging town with withholding that information at this point because it makes him super suspicious and all that arguing about him is not helping town at all. -.-


If we pressure noobking with the fear of being lynched, and he's town, he has to give his info to play in accord of win condition. Won't you agree to do it ?


Well. Problem is: I do not know how much time I am going to have today evening. Might just miss EoD or be on phone EoD. So I am not rally down to play some switcheroo games today. =/
And it currently looks like he is going to be lynched anyway? Like NM has to vote him at this point (which is NAI). So it will be 5-4 with n00bKing probably getting to those votes first? I would be rather nervous in n00bKing's place already.

Also I fear that he is town and thinks that he IS playing to his win-con.


Brainstorm with me for a second disformation.
You said before that you could sort of understand the play that n00bking was going for.

Could you give me any suggestions for what he could possibly be hiding at this point and why he would so that?


That was before Damdred reminded me that no one CCed the RB on scott today.
Was thinking along the lines of n00bKing being a PR or having a super strong PR read on someone and going for the incredible greedy play of getting one more check in so he can out scott + his partner as the mafia team. And of course he doesn't want to tell so mafia can't just block/rb the true PR.
But yeah that whole stuff makes little sense... maybe he wants mafia to think he knows something and force mafia to shoot him?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 31 2015 14:31 GMT
#2122
Meh. A good case on Sulfurus/NM would be nice, but I don't have the time to do that without filters. xD
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 31 2015 14:32 GMT
#2123
On July 31 2015 23:29 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 31 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:17 Breshke wrote:
It is weird that sulf organised the "last 4 lynches" when if any of his people he listed are scum he would have 5? Easy oversight but still weird.

I'm honestly indifferent to a NM or Noobking lynch today.

Did anyne ever answer why people were saying they couldnt be mafia together?

No he's right on that, with two mislynches and two succesful lynches we win.

On the NM + noobking team, I was having a hard time 'cause noobking said his two lynches were NM and Sulfu. And he's pushing NM right now.


Rels you remember day 1 that n00bking wanted to lynch you above anyone else.
You were trying to get nocturne lynched day 1 with your first big post. calling hims cum.

Then look at this logic and why n00bking is voting for NM:

Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:
What does it mean when your hardest scum read is trying to bury another person?

a) the attacked person is likely town
b) the attacked person is likely mafia.

Let me know when you figure it out.


If n00bking really thought you are scum, and he now votes for NM, then it means that he thinks you as scum bussed your scum partner nocturne immediately when you entered the game.
I find that very unlikely mafia play, or what do you think?

I don't think he thinks I'm scum anymore so I don't see the problem.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 31 2015 14:35 GMT
#2124
On July 31 2015 23:29 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:16 ruXxar wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:13 disformation wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:
Disfo you just said this:
On July 31 2015 22:42 disformation wrote:
Yeah. I think he is damaging town with withholding that information at this point because it makes him super suspicious and all that arguing about him is not helping town at all. -.-


If we pressure noobking with the fear of being lynched, and he's town, he has to give his info to play in accord of win condition. Won't you agree to do it ?


Well. Problem is: I do not know how much time I am going to have today evening. Might just miss EoD or be on phone EoD. So I am not rally down to play some switcheroo games today. =/
And it currently looks like he is going to be lynched anyway? Like NM has to vote him at this point (which is NAI). So it will be 5-4 with n00bKing probably getting to those votes first? I would be rather nervous in n00bKing's place already.

Also I fear that he is town and thinks that he IS playing to his win-con.


Brainstorm with me for a second disformation.
You said before that you could sort of understand the play that n00bking was going for.

Could you give me any suggestions for what he could possibly be hiding at this point and why he would so that?


That was before Damdred reminded me that no one CCed the RB on scott today.
Was thinking along the lines of n00bKing being a PR or having a super strong PR read on someone and going for the incredible greedy play of getting one more check in so he can out scott + his partner as the mafia team. And of course he doesn't want to tell so mafia can't just block/rb the true PR.
But yeah that whole stuff makes little sense... maybe he wants mafia to think he knows something and force mafia to shoot him?


For what reason? If he's town, what does he gain from getting himself shot?
What could he possibly know that he couldn't share with us?

There is nothing.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 31 2015 14:37 GMT
#2125
On July 31 2015 23:32 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:29 ruXxar wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:17 Breshke wrote:
It is weird that sulf organised the "last 4 lynches" when if any of his people he listed are scum he would have 5? Easy oversight but still weird.

I'm honestly indifferent to a NM or Noobking lynch today.

Did anyne ever answer why people were saying they couldnt be mafia together?

No he's right on that, with two mislynches and two succesful lynches we win.

On the NM + noobking team, I was having a hard time 'cause noobking said his two lynches were NM and Sulfu. And he's pushing NM right now.


Rels you remember day 1 that n00bking wanted to lynch you above anyone else.
You were trying to get nocturne lynched day 1 with your first big post. calling hims cum.

Then look at this logic and why n00bking is voting for NM:

On July 31 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:
What does it mean when your hardest scum read is trying to bury another person?

a) the attacked person is likely town
b) the attacked person is likely mafia.

Let me know when you figure it out.


If n00bking really thought you are scum, and he now votes for NM, then it means that he thinks you as scum bussed your scum partner nocturne immediately when you entered the game.
I find that very unlikely mafia play, or what do you think?

I don't think he thinks I'm scum anymore so I don't see the problem.


He was only forced to think you are town because no one counter claimed your role block claim.
He didn't WANT to town-read you by his own free will.
If he kept pushing you after that then he would look like an idiot.

Just look at his post:

On July 27 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote:
Second, I was roleblocked.

Oh FFS. Seriously? Someone pleeeease counterclaim this block, or something.
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote:
My potential night actions were:

On July 26 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
Alright first thing about actions:

If I was cop I would check noobking.
If I was vig I would shoot Flexes.


So I believe one of these two is mafia.

Then you don't understand how thinking works. In what world does Mafia Flexes think you are a Vigilante, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE VIGILANTE?? And in what world does Mafia n00bKing think that you are a Cop, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE COP?? If the roleblock goes uncountered, then you're right on the edge of being completely confirmed Town. And yet you're STILL actively playing against the Town's win condition, by putting forth reasoning like this, and setting the stage for a mislynch on me.
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Rels wrote:Amazingly, this may be the only post addressed to him he didn't answer. That is super suspicious.

So, noobking: please do what you were requested to. 1 sentence without fluff explaining my lie.

Actually, for me to ignore your scummy request is not suspicious at all. For you to MAKE your scummy request, that is what's suspicious. As I said, you're right on the cusp of being confirmed Town. But continue to push things that have EXCLUSIVELY scum motivation. Why would a Town player EVER ask me to cut the explanation of your lie down to 1 sentence, when I have already so thoroughly explained it through the use of more sentences? You're asking me to intentionally use poor communication, instead of good communication. If that's not scummy, nothing is, because it invites my words to be misinterpreted, or worse.

You want a 1 sentence explanation of how I know with absolute certainty that you lied? Looks like this:

You said that he thought long and hard before making the post, instead of being free of mind and just posting what he felt, and then said that you never said his remarks required thought, and admitted that his remarks are off-the-cuff instant reactions.

There you go. Your positions are incompatible with one another. And you could have admitted that you made a mistake instead of telling the lie, or you could have tried to say that it only looks like a lie because you changed your mind. But you never did. You only stood by the lie, and defended the lie.

Now, IF you are Town, then start talking like someone who at least has SOME minimal amount of interest in achieving the Town's win condition. And if you CAN'T help me achieve the Town's win condition, then at the very least, GET OUT OF THE WAY.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 31 2015 14:40 GMT
#2126
I agree his read change of me was weird. And I think everybody knows how bad I found his constant pushing of me. But now he's town reading me (I think), so I have no problem with him pushing NM.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 31 2015 14:41 GMT
#2127
On July 31 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:13 disformation wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:
Disfo you just said this:
On July 31 2015 22:42 disformation wrote:
Yeah. I think he is damaging town with withholding that information at this point because it makes him super suspicious and all that arguing about him is not helping town at all. -.-


If we pressure noobking with the fear of being lynched, and he's town, he has to give his info to play in accord of win condition. Won't you agree to do it ?


Well. Problem is: I do not know how much time I am going to have today evening. Might just miss EoD or be on phone EoD. So I am not rally down to play some switcheroo games today. =/

Too bad =X be careful with phone, I know I can't connect with mine on TL cause I can't see the login popup.


Just checked. Did work fine with the old tl.net, but I can't login with the new one. GG.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 31 2015 14:42 GMT
#2128
On July 31 2015 23:41 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:13 disformation wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:
Disfo you just said this:
On July 31 2015 22:42 disformation wrote:
Yeah. I think he is damaging town with withholding that information at this point because it makes him super suspicious and all that arguing about him is not helping town at all. -.-


If we pressure noobking with the fear of being lynched, and he's town, he has to give his info to play in accord of win condition. Won't you agree to do it ?


Well. Problem is: I do not know how much time I am going to have today evening. Might just miss EoD or be on phone EoD. So I am not rally down to play some switcheroo games today. =/

Too bad =X be careful with phone, I know I can't connect with mine on TL cause I can't see the login popup.


Just checked. Did work fine with the old tl.net, but I can't login with the new one. GG.


Found a workaround. *phew*
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 31 2015 14:43 GMT
#2129
On July 31 2015 23:41 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:13 disformation wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:
Disfo you just said this:
On July 31 2015 22:42 disformation wrote:
Yeah. I think he is damaging town with withholding that information at this point because it makes him super suspicious and all that arguing about him is not helping town at all. -.-


If we pressure noobking with the fear of being lynched, and he's town, he has to give his info to play in accord of win condition. Won't you agree to do it ?


Well. Problem is: I do not know how much time I am going to have today evening. Might just miss EoD or be on phone EoD. So I am not rally down to play some switcheroo games today. =/

Too bad =X be careful with phone, I know I can't connect with mine on TL cause I can't see the login popup.


Just checked. Did work fine with the old tl.net, but I can't login with the new one. GG.

Found a solution on the new website thread: open the login page in a new tab (so in phone you need to push the login link a few seconds).
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 31 2015 14:46 GMT
#2130
On July 31 2015 23:40 Rels wrote:
I agree his read change of me was weird. And I think everybody knows how bad I found his constant pushing of me. But now he's town reading me (I think), so I have no problem with him pushing NM.


When did he ever call you town?
He only stopped pushing you because he couldn't anymore.

I don't remember him ever calling you town or putting you on a town list.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 31 2015 14:49 GMT
#2131
On July 31 2015 23:46 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:40 Rels wrote:
I agree his read change of me was weird. And I think everybody knows how bad I found his constant pushing of me. But now he's town reading me (I think), so I have no problem with him pushing NM.


When did he ever call you town?
He only stopped pushing you because he couldn't anymore.

I don't remember him ever calling you town or putting you on a town list.

When asked about his lynch list he didn't put me in.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 31 2015 14:51 GMT
#2132
On July 31 2015 23:49 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:46 ruXxar wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:40 Rels wrote:
I agree his read change of me was weird. And I think everybody knows how bad I found his constant pushing of me. But now he's town reading me (I think), so I have no problem with him pushing NM.


When did he ever call you town?
He only stopped pushing you because he couldn't anymore.

I don't remember him ever calling you town or putting you on a town list.

When asked about his lynch list he didn't put me in.


If he tried to put you in his lynch list I would think he's an idiot for trying to lynch confirmed town.
Would you not think the same?

No one would try to lynch you because you are basically 99% confirmed town.
No one is going to put you in their lynch list, town or scum.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 31 2015 14:53 GMT
#2133
On July 31 2015 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:49 Rels wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:46 ruXxar wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:40 Rels wrote:
I agree his read change of me was weird. And I think everybody knows how bad I found his constant pushing of me. But now he's town reading me (I think), so I have no problem with him pushing NM.


When did he ever call you town?
He only stopped pushing you because he couldn't anymore.

I don't remember him ever calling you town or putting you on a town list.

When asked about his lynch list he didn't put me in.


If he tried to put you in his lynch list I would think he's an idiot for trying to lynch confirmed town.
Would you not think the same?

No one would try to lynch you because you are basically 99% confirmed town.
No one is going to put you in their lynch list, town or scum.

You are saying noobking is scumreading me but didn't put me in his lynch list.

Confirm ?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 31 2015 14:54 GMT
#2134
n00bking is not an idiot.
He knows he has 0% chance of lynching you, and there is no point in pushing you anymore, even if he thinks you are scum.
He would not put you on a lynch list because he would look like an idiot if he did.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 31 2015 14:55 GMT
#2135
On July 31 2015 23:54 ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is not an idiot.
He knows he has 0% chance of lynching you, and there is no point in pushing you anymore, even if he thinks you are scum.
He would not put you on a lynch list because he would look like an idiot if he did.

So don't affirm he's scum reading me when he didn't state he did.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 31 2015 14:55 GMT
#2136
On July 31 2015 23:53 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:49 Rels wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:46 ruXxar wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:40 Rels wrote:
I agree his read change of me was weird. And I think everybody knows how bad I found his constant pushing of me. But now he's town reading me (I think), so I have no problem with him pushing NM.


When did he ever call you town?
He only stopped pushing you because he couldn't anymore.

I don't remember him ever calling you town or putting you on a town list.

When asked about his lynch list he didn't put me in.


If he tried to put you in his lynch list I would think he's an idiot for trying to lynch confirmed town.
Would you not think the same?

No one would try to lynch you because you are basically 99% confirmed town.
No one is going to put you in their lynch list, town or scum.

You are saying noobking is scumreading me but didn't put me in his lynch list.

Confirm ?


I've seen no evidence to the contrary, so yes, I think the only reason he stopped pushing you was because you was un CC'd role block, not because you were town.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 31 2015 14:57 GMT
#2137
On July 31 2015 23:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:54 ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is not an idiot.
He knows he has 0% chance of lynching you, and there is no point in pushing you anymore, even if he thinks you are scum.
He would not put you on a lynch list because he would look like an idiot if he did.

So don't affirm he's scum reading me when he didn't state he did.


He never said he STOPPED scum reading you.
Show me evidence where he called you town.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 31 2015 14:59 GMT
#2138
On July 31 2015 23:57 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:55 Rels wrote:
On July 31 2015 23:54 ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is not an idiot.
He knows he has 0% chance of lynching you, and there is no point in pushing you anymore, even if he thinks you are scum.
He would not put you on a lynch list because he would look like an idiot if he did.

So don't affirm he's scum reading me when he didn't state he did.


He never said he STOPPED scum reading you.
Show me evidence where he called you town.

No. I'll let him state his clear opinion of me right now. I didn't see any evidence he scum read me since D2.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 31 2015 15:04 GMT
#2139
On July 31 2015 23:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:54 ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is not an idiot.
He knows he has 0% chance of lynching you, and there is no point in pushing you anymore, even if he thinks you are scum.
He would not put you on a lynch list because he would look like an idiot if he did.

So don't affirm he's scum reading me when he didn't state he did.


You think n00bking is going to say "I want to lynch rels who is un'cc'd roleblock because I think he's scum"?
He would be shooting himself in the foot if he said that and lose all credibility.

I even asked him what he thought about the idea of you being scum and claiming role block as mafia.

This is what he said:

On July 29 2015 03:54 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote:#4) mafia are genius: rels is mafia and they didn't role-block anyone.
Rels claims being role blocked to get confirmed town status.
This is insane next level play. If this is true I want to give mega props to scum team.

This occurred to me as well, but it's getting pretty deep into tinfoil hat territory. Also, if they didn't turn in a roleblock it might mean they didn't get any actions turned in at all. And instead of rayn being the target of the attack, there just wasn't an attack. I think this is only possible if Flexes is Rels' teammate. If Flexes ever flips Town, this possibility is pretty much wiped out. But if Flexes flips Red, I'm going to have to remember where I keep my tinfoil hat, and Rels is back on the menu. Maybe.


So he doesn't think the role-block is fake.
He can't call you scum without looking like an idiot.

Being confirmed town because of game mechanics is not the same as thinking you are town because of your play.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 31 2015 15:08 GMT
#2140
OK then attack his reasons to town read me. I agree his switch on me seems to be based on the rb only.

BUT your orginal accusation was that it was weird that:
- noobking scumread me
- noobking scumread someone I've pushed

The first part is not true, so you should drop it.

Now if you want to do a post detailling exactly how his read on me is not logical, go ahead.
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