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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:03 Palmar wrote: I don't necessarily think being inconsistent/bad makes geript scum. It wasn't really a case just pointing it out. Yeah but its really convincing | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:03 Palmar wrote: I don't necessarily think being inconsistent/bad makes geript scum. It wasn't really a case just pointing it out. Why post it then? You already | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Vivax
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:05 Holyflare wrote: lol i don't see a game where trfel has ever posted nothing for so long and it's hilarious that people keep defending him for it hilarious = scummy | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:05 Holyflare wrote: lol i don't see a game where trfel has ever posted nothing for so long and it's hilarious that people keep defending him for it You're wrong, there was a game where he was town and actually didn't post jack all day long until EoD. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:07 Vivax wrote: You're wrong, there was a game where he was town and actually didn't post jack all day long until EoD. and that game's name was? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:03 Harkon wrote: I was about to point that out too. HTS says the jury is still out on Trfel but this statement seems like he has a firm townread in him. I'm actually confused by what you two are saying, particularly Harkon. Let me break it down. If I missed soemthing on these two (I just read the thread in entirety so it's possible I did) or if something is wrong, call me out. HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel. I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11. I am trying to interpret HF's read on Trfel but I am struggling with that, but I will also look at how he's reading others more closely. The read on Trfel was what jumped out at me. Marv - only 2 options being bad or mafia? Or are you suggesting that HF at some point TRed him? I missed that if he did. | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
I think it was his first normal after the game where I coached him. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:08 Vivax wrote: I think it was his first normal after the game where I coached him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=Trfel if you're talking about carol that's the most disingenuous read ever | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:08 Half the Sky wrote: I'm actually confused by what you two are saying, particularly Harkon. Let me break it down. If I missed soemthing on these two (I just read the thread in entirety so it's possible I did) or if something is wrong, call me out. HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel. I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11. I am trying to interpret HF's read on Trfel but I am struggling with that, but I will also look at how he's reading others more closely. The read on Trfel was what jumped out at me. Marv - only 2 options being bad or mafia? Or are you suggesting that HF at some point TRed him? I missed that if he did. no, you said HF is either unfamiliar with Trfel for scumreading him, or he is mafia for scumreading him you missed the 3rd option where HF is town and correctly scumreading Trfel. I also don't understand how people keep failing to understand HF's push on Trfel. It's so obvious to me. HF's point on Trfel is that having played a hard/effortful mafiagame, it's very hard to then go hard/effortful at the start of the next game. So what you do as mafia is you just troll and post shit in an attempt to look carefree, because you can't actually be bothered to do any serious work. I thought this was abundantly clear but people keep misrepresenting HF on it. | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:08 Half the Sky wrote: I'm actually confused by what you two are saying, particularly Harkon. Let me break it down. If I missed soemthing on these two (I just read the thread in entirety so it's possible I did) or if something is wrong, call me out. HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel. I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11. I am trying to interpret HF's read on Trfel but I am struggling with that, but I will also look at how he's reading others more closely. The read on Trfel was what jumped out at me. Marv - only 2 options being bad or mafia? Or are you suggesting that HF at some point TRed him? I missed that if he did. The third option would be that HF is not bad and Trfel is mafia and you do not seem to even consider this possibility. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Alright, that's why I was confused.... On July 07 2015 00:58 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel's first post was NAI. He does that in a lot of his games, can do that as either alignment. I can see his subsequent posting as either alignment, on one hand he's deflecting questions, on the other, he doesn't care and will post when he's fully through. I'm going to wait until his analysis to judge him particularly since that's how he won NSM11. If it wasn't clear before, no, my read on him is null. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:10 marvellosity wrote: HF's point on Trfel is that having played a hard/effortful mafiagame, it's very hard to then go hard/effortful at the start of the next game. So what you do as mafia is you just troll and post shit in an attempt to look carefree, because you can't actually be bothered to do any serious work. I thought this was abundantly clear but people keep misrepresenting HF on it. Alright. Now this makes a lot more sense. I'm used to metareading Trfel a certain way since he does play this way in his town games but failed to take that part into account. Which is then a point in HF's favour. | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:10 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=Trfel if you're talking about carol that's the most disingenuous read ever In fact I don't have a read on him yet, just wanted to point out that there was one game where he was afk as town, but he was even more afk than he is in this game now that I'm looking at his filter. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
I know he had long gaps in posting in both NSM7 (or was it 9? one of them) and IIRC he was pretty underwhelming as town in Assassination, the latter being a large game, Taking HF's argument, the longer he goes without posting anything of substance, the worse he looks. On to others in the meantime. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 07 2015 01:15 Half the Sky wrote: Alright. Now this makes a lot more sense. I'm used to metareading Trfel a certain way since he does play this way in his town games but failed to take that part into account. Which is then a point in HF's favour. so why didnt you say this in your read on trfel? Like you say that HF's read on trfel is bad because you think trfel is town. But in your read on trfel, hes null. TMI scumslip 1.2 | ||
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Vivax
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
we can wreck face if so | ||
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