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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 23 2015 00:37 GMT
#8781
On July 23 2015 09:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 09:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 23 2015 09:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think a towngame with damdred, kelsier and/or rsoultin would be sweet. Not gonna play in down under guys?


signed up but i'm kind of anticipating those fear!reads lol


Don't be surprised.

Heh I was getting them already in Gaiden because of Not Themed from BF/HF and I think I'm pretty shit tier as both alignments >_<


This makes me sad, if you feel like you're shit tier how am I ever gonna feel half decent at this game :D
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 23 2015 00:39 GMT
#8782
On July 22 2015 12:27 Trfel wrote:
Oh, and one more thing, before I forget.

THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!!!

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2015 07:49 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Clarity_nl (5): Trfel, Half the Sky, XEliteBlueHunter69X, Oatsmaster, rsoultin
rsoultin (4): ruXxar, boxerfred, Clarity_nl, WaveofShadow

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Clarity_nl is set to be lynched. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends at Wednesday, Jul 22 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)
This is the current vote count. Unless someone voting for Clarity_nl votes for rsoultin instead, Clarity_nl is going to be lynched.

However, this is LYLO. Mafia just needs to not get lynched, it doesn't matter if they out the entire mafia team in the process. For example, if there is one mafia on Clarity_nl right now, and no one moves their vote, at the very last second this mafia member can change their vote to some random person to result in a no lynch, instantly winning the game.

Basically, this means that any town voting for the losing wagon at End of Day is extremely detrimental for town. Even if you are almost positive that the person being lynched is town and the other wagon is scum, it's STILL better to switch votes and prevent scum from being able to force a no lynch. At least that way, there is a chance of winning.



Anyway, I'm not lynching rsoultin. I just have a really, really hard time seeing her as scum. Because of her defense of me, but also because of her reason for XEliteBlueHunter69X being town (which is really good, and I'm not sure scum would really want to share, unless XEliteBlueHunter69X is also scum but I think that is very unlikely), and because of her willingness to post purely to show her thoughts and without any interest in looking good.

Honestly, I worry a bit that Oatsmaster could be mafia. I just never know how to read him, and I didn't read enough of this game to be confident in townreading him. His posting this game seems very good, but he has a very capable scum game, so I'm not entirely sure. I guess it's not too big of a deal, because if he is scum the game is probably lost, but it does worry me a little.

This post by Trfel was so good and so horrible at the same time that I went all fish in the obs

What alignment was he

Town

Hijole
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-23 00:40:50
July 23 2015 00:40 GMT
#8783
But srs who is this ebh dude

Edit: I bet it's VA
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 23 2015 00:40 GMT
#8784
On July 23 2015 09:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:
In general, spam is a problem. There's no real way to deal with it short of policy lynching people who make a big mess in the thread. Also, people who play like WoS played. WoS played brilliantly, but that tactic shouldn't work haha.

Also yeah no way I was gonna modkill WoS when he made so many posts

On July 23 2015 08:22 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
moral of the story girls are unlynchable xP


Did you get what you wanted out of smurfing this game? It seems like things ended up as a pretty decent shitshow.


Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 08:28 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I just refuse to play in any more games with it because people just end up kissing your ass and the game is pathetic at that point.

You should have been lynched but instead -redacted- doesnt want to kill you cause girl. its clear as day but whatever im just done with it ^^


4 srs who is this guy? Now I am really intrigued


dude it's va?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 23 2015 00:41 GMT
#8785
On July 23 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 09:35 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 23 2015 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:
In general, spam is a problem. There's no real way to deal with it short of policy lynching people who make a big mess in the thread. Also, people who play like WoS played. WoS played brilliantly, but that tactic shouldn't work haha.

Also yeah no way I was gonna modkill WoS when he made so many posts

On July 23 2015 08:22 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
moral of the story girls are unlynchable xP


Did you get what you wanted out of smurfing this game? It seems like things ended up as a pretty decent shitshow.


On July 23 2015 08:28 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I just refuse to play in any more games with it because people just end up kissing your ass and the game is pathetic at that point.

You should have been lynched but instead -redacted- doesnt want to kill you cause girl. its clear as day but whatever im just done with it ^^


4 srs who is this guy? Now I am really intrigued


dude it's va?

HAH!

See I am not reading the thread though, how was it supposed o be obvious?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 23 2015 00:42 GMT
#8786
On July 23 2015 09:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 09:34 rsoultin wrote:
On July 23 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote:
Negative, for whatever reason you Geript have amazing reads on me now.

I'm a newb: (


lol

eh, it's one of my "tonereads" that i'm gonna get mislynched for again eventually

i prefer to call them personality reads but people like to argue with me ^^


Yeah I will just lynch you for unexplained tonereads for the rest of my life. There was honestly not much redeeming in trfel's filter.

Like I realize apparently you do this a lot but I'm sure that normally you manage to at least explain your read


lol well you'll have to judge it for yourself, cause hf and jat both seem to think there's a difference

but i'm usually shit at explaining it xP it's not an "objective" read and traditionally that's hard for people to understand
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-23 00:44:32
July 23 2015 00:42 GMT
#8787
Like was it announced?

& this VA. He might even be right in this instance but he is hyperbolizing lol


And yes VA is a strong hijole. Non-chupazi to the max
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 23 2015 00:43 GMT
#8788
On July 23 2015 09:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote:
On July 23 2015 09:35 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 23 2015 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:
In general, spam is a problem. There's no real way to deal with it short of policy lynching people who make a big mess in the thread. Also, people who play like WoS played. WoS played brilliantly, but that tactic shouldn't work haha.

Also yeah no way I was gonna modkill WoS when he made so many posts

On July 23 2015 08:22 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
moral of the story girls are unlynchable xP


Did you get what you wanted out of smurfing this game? It seems like things ended up as a pretty decent shitshow.


On July 23 2015 08:28 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I just refuse to play in any more games with it because people just end up kissing your ass and the game is pathetic at that point.

You should have been lynched but instead -redacted- doesnt want to kill you cause girl. its clear as day but whatever im just done with it ^^


4 srs who is this guy? Now I am really intrigued


dude it's va?

HAH!

See I am not reading the thread though, how was it supposed o be obvious?


lol

va is very distinctive. so is jat. i'm not sure why they bothered with smurfs ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 23 2015 00:43 GMT
#8789
no >> just another one of my "tonereads" but i guarantee it's right
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 23 2015 00:47 GMT
#8790
On July 23 2015 07:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Lol I Was 2/3 right on the scum team after the mod kill honestly I guess Geript can't tone read WoS anymore lol.

The tone read was wrong but it was for good reasons. It wasn't until after I died that Wave became obvious.

Imo, town fell apart for a few different reasons:
1. Unnecessary claims--Seriously, stop fucking claiming. Just stop.
2. Not thinking through lynches or their results. After the MZ vig shot, it should've been a wake up call that the Damdred/MZ/Milo world didn't exist. Considering I specifically made the point that milo could be town because of how milo/Damdred aligned. I specifically pointed out that he's constantly posting albeit poorly imo made him more likely to be town. No on analyzed the no lynch which btw would've given you 2/3 of the scum left. So the problem is people not thinking.
3. The setup. 2 role blockers vs 6 roles (5 of which are limited) is bad imo. I love the idea of this setup but town was pretty weak comparatively. Plus DML is really bad for big games.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2015 00:49 GMT
#8791
I think the setup was incredibly town favoured. The lynch mechanic aside.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 23 2015 00:51 GMT
#8792
On July 23 2015 09:47 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 07:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Lol I Was 2/3 right on the scum team after the mod kill honestly I guess Geript can't tone read WoS anymore lol.

The tone read was wrong but it was for good reasons. It wasn't until after I died that Wave became obvious.

Imo, town fell apart for a few different reasons:
1. Unnecessary claims--Seriously, stop fucking claiming. Just stop.
2. Not thinking through lynches or their results. After the MZ vig shot, it should've been a wake up call that the Damdred/MZ/Milo world didn't exist. Considering I specifically made the point that milo could be town because of how milo/Damdred aligned. I specifically pointed out that he's constantly posting albeit poorly imo made him more likely to be town. No on analyzed the no lynch which btw would've given you 2/3 of the scum left. So the problem is people not thinking.
3. The setup. 2 role blockers vs 6 roles (5 of which are limited) is bad imo. I love the idea of this setup but town was pretty weak comparatively. Plus DML is really bad for big games.


i can see why town might think this

but without the unnecessary claims where only 1 in 4 of the town players are blue roles and we don't even know how many exist, especially with the way wave/damdy/and myself were playing (ripe for blue role action if the players are using their roles correctly) the two rbs would be negligible. assuming that we always rb blue roles that's still 4 who are acting with impunity, so depending on how good their decision-making is, scum could have been wrecked pretty easily by this setup

i think the balance was alright? the first response we had to seeing 2 rbs was "damn the blue roles are gonna be a pain this game" and yeah...played correctly without all the claims...they would have been
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 23 2015 00:55 GMT
#8793
Yeah balance seems fine, I've never seen two scum roleblockers before but it makes sense in a game of this size with the refunds. The lynch mechanic is definitely scum favored though, and just wasn't very enjoyable for me personally. Starting a third wagon is pretty damn tough.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 23 2015 00:57 GMT
#8794
On July 23 2015 08:28 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I just refuse to play in any more games with it because people just end up kissing your ass and the game is pathetic at that point.

You should have been lynched but instead -redacted- doesnt want to kill you cause girl. its clear as day but whatever im just done with it ^^


lol wtf
Zerg for Life
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 23 2015 00:58 GMT
#8795
nh...an organized town would have faired better. we did alright with a similar mechanic in noir, but part of that was we could extend the phase

personally i'm not sure how good shenanigans actually are in a majority lynch?

and people really need to stop with assumptions about resistance to lynches. i've capitalized on those assumptions near lylo in 2-3 of my scum games. doubt is normal but it's not as strong a heuristic as people think
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 23 2015 00:58 GMT
#8796
On July 23 2015 09:57 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 08:28 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I just refuse to play in any more games with it because people just end up kissing your ass and the game is pathetic at that point.

You should have been lynched but instead -redacted- doesnt want to kill you cause girl. its clear as day but whatever im just done with it ^^


lol wtf


he thinks i don't get lynched cause i'm female ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 23 2015 01:00 GMT
#8797
2 RB in 5 gives you a huge amount of control over the game claims aside. It practically guarantees an RB survives to D3-5 when they're the most powerful role. Gunsmith in this setup is especially weaker due to double RB plus having to gun instead of having a gun.

Technically, town got 2 named VTs too. But they're really not.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 23 2015 01:00 GMT
#8798
On July 23 2015 09:58 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 09:57 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 23 2015 08:28 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I just refuse to play in any more games with it because people just end up kissing your ass and the game is pathetic at that point.

You should have been lynched but instead -redacted- doesnt want to kill you cause girl. its clear as day but whatever im just done with it ^^


lol wtf


he thinks i don't get lynched cause i'm female ^^


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/07/20/men-who-harass-women-online-are-quite-literally-losers-new-study-finds/
Zerg for Life
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 23 2015 01:08 GMT
#8799
well im extremely good at the only video games ive ever bothered to play (starcraft, LoL) so there goes that study I guess.

I'm not even harassing her, just simply the only person that won't bother to be politically correct and tell it how it is.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 23 2015 01:11 GMT
#8800
i just got mislynched last week, va

and i've been mislynched once here...and would have been lynched in my first scum game if i hadn't conceded

maybe there is a subconscious thing where people don't lynch people they like as frequently as others, and i will admit i know a lot of the players in these games more than passingly and i've made those mistakes myself, where i'm more likely to townread people i have some sort of attachment to (see: ls) however...if you're implying that the only reason i don't get lynched (as either alignment) is i'm female? that's kind of blah, va
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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